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    "The missing jet was equipped with four emergency locator transmitters, or ELTs, which are designed to transmit a plane's location to an emergency satellite when triggered by a crash or by contact with water...

    The ELTs were at the plane's front door, its rear door, in the fuselage and in the cockpit, said the source, who was puzzled over why they appear either not to have activated or, if they did activate, why they were not picked up by the satellite.

    Relatives of the 239 passengers and crew have raised questions about the ELTs with Malaysian authorities, suggesting there were at least three aboard the plane, including two portable units and one fixed device."
    Source: Malaysia Airlines jet climbed high briefly, then descended - CNN.com

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    This is from the Boeing web site, July 2013.

    ELT inspections

    As most of you know, we sent out instructions to our 787 customers earlier this month giving them information on how to either inspect or remove the Honeywell Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT) on their airplanes.

    Today, Boeing is asking specific operators of 717, Next-Generation 737, 747-400, 767 and 777 airplanes to also inspect aircraft with the Honeywell fixed ELT. We’re taking this action following the U.K. Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) Special Bulletin, which recommended that airplane models with fixed Honeywell ELTs be inspected. The purpose of these inspections to is gather data to support potential rulemaking by regulators.

    It is important to note that Honeywell ELTs have been deployed on approximately 20 aircraft models— including Boeing, Airbus and numerous business aviation aircraft.

    We’ll be working closely with our customers in the coming days. As always, the safety of passengers and crew members who fly aboard Boeing airplanes is our highest priority.

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    A 'source'.
    CNN is irresponsible to report this considering the record of the validity of information from Malaysian 'sources'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    New twist today, plane had 4 ELT [emergency location transmitters] GPS satellites linked. Suppose to go off in crashes, rapid deceleration, like landing or crashing on water.
    Strange they forgot about them.
    Not a "new" twist at all. Go look at the pprune thread - this has been debated to death for weeks.......

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    Inmarsat's fuzzy maths suporting its contention that MH 370 took a southerly route down into the Indian Ocean has been roundly criticised by many mathematicians and others in the satellite industry.

    The northern route depicted by them was assumed to be "too hard" to fly along undetected, but nobody's proven that claim, and now more information suggests that the radar systems that MH 370 had to duck on the northern route were largely switched off at night, because, as one Indian official said, "It's too expensive to run 24/7", so the lights were on but nobody was home.

    Similarly with all those radar systems from Pakistan through to Malaysia, all are dodgy, working on an ad hoc or by request basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    A 'source'.
    CNN is irresponsible to report this considering the record of the validity of information from Malaysian 'sources'.
    There are other sources, have a look.

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    From today's 'Weekend Australian' newspaper :


    The hunt for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 is now focused on an area of seabed of about 320sq km that could be covered in as little as a week.
    The unmanned mini-submarine Bluefin-21 is traversing the search area — 1050km west of the top “corner” of Western Australia — at a rate of about 40sq km each day.
    The Bluefin-21 is operating in a “hilly” area of ocean floor about 4500m down.
    Former Australian Defence Force chief Angus Houston, who heads the agency co-ordinating the multi-nation search for the aircraft and its 239 passengers and crew, said on Thursday that reports that it would take Bluefin-21 anywhere from six weeks to two months to scan the entire underwater search area were [at]incorrect.
    “The underwater search has been significantly narrowed through detailed acoustic analysis conducted on the four signal detections made by the Towed Pinger Locator on ADV Ocean Shield,” Air Chief Marshal Houston said.
    “This analysis has allowed the definition of a reduced and more focused underwater search area. This represents the best lead we have in relation to missing flight MH370 and where the current underwater search efforts are being pursued to their completion so we can either confirm or discount the area as the final resting place of MH370.”
    Air Chief Marshal Houston did not say how long it would take to carry out this search, but The Weekend Australian has been told by other sources that the search is now focused on a circle about 20km across and covering about 320sq km.
    The area of seabed being searched has been narrowed down considerably after analysis of four sets of signals believed to come from the beacons attached to the aircraft’s black box flight recorder and cockpit voice recorder.


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    19 April 2014 Last updated at 08:13

    Malaysia missing plane: Search at 'critical juncture'

    The search area for the missing MH370 plane has narrowed and will be at "a critical juncture" in the next two days, says Malaysia's acting transport minister.

    Hishammuddin Hussein said an underwater drone would finish searching the area within the next week.

    The Bluefin 21 mini-submarine has so far found nothing after six missions.

    Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 went missing in March as it flew from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing carrying 239 people.

    The Bluefin is mapping the area of the sea bed within a 10km (six miles) radius of where acoustic signals were detected believed to have come from the aircraft's flight recorder.

    It is operating at a depth of more than 4,000m (13,000 feet).

    Mr Hussein said it was important to focus on the search on Saturday and Sunday.

    "The narrowing of the search for today and tomorrow is at a critical juncture," he said.

    "I appeal to everyone around the world to pray and pray hard that we find something to work on in the next couple of days."
    BBC News - Malaysia missing plane: Search at 'critical juncture'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    the search is now focused on a circle about 20km across and covering about 320sq km.]
    I am very optimistic about this because someone here knows his maths. This is a tad more scientific that the coconuts.

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    Malaysian minister says next two days "crucial" in search for MH370

    KUALA LUMPUR, April 19 (Xinhua) -- Malaysian acting Transport Minister Hishammudin Hussein said here on Saturday that the next two days will be "very crucial" as the search area for the missing flight MH370 has been narrowed.

    The autonomous underwater vehicle Bluefin-21 will complete its scanning of the key area of the seabed in the southern Indian Ocean next week, but the search operation will continue, he told a press conference.

    "The immediate search area that the Bluefin-21 is now scouring should be completed within the next week," he said.

    All efforts would be intensified for the next few days with regards to the underwater search, he added.

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    The "Top Ten" conspiracy theories.. Worth a read, particularly the one about the Malaysian Airlines 777-200 Safety Card found in an Australian recycling bin, drawn from rubbish in the Perth area (nearest area to where MH-370 signal disappeared). There are photos of the card too. Allegation is that Malaysian Airlines flies its 777-200 aircraft only between KL and PEK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    The "Top Ten" conspiracy theories.. Worth a read, particularly the one about the Malaysian Airlines 777-200 Safety Card found in an Australian recycling bin, drawn from rubbish in the Perth area (nearest area to where MH-370 signal disappeared). There are photos of the card too. Allegation is that Malaysian Airlines flies its 777-200 aircraft only between KL and PEK.

    A guide to MH370 conspiracy theories: 10 most curious versions - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video
    Just as good as every other theory, facts are short, which I find strange.
    The truth is being hidden, or why not release the facts. Jim

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    What facts do you want?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer
    The "Top Ten" conspiracy theories
    I kinda of go for number 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    What facts do you want?
    Anything after the last ACARS signal would be a start. Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    What facts do you want?
    Anything after the last ACARS signal would be a start. Jim
    Other than the Inmarsat pings and some radar data, what makes you think there is anything else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
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    What facts do you want?
    Anything after the last ACARS signal would be a start. Jim
    Other than the Inmarsat pings and some radar data, what makes you think there is anything else?
    Please feel free to post anything that's been confirmed. Jim

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    I heard some woman "of importance" saying on TV that it would be horrific if a plane could be controlled from the ground...Make of it what you will...

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    And regarding the sub search...This is quite exciting...What if they find no trace of it at all?...


    Do you guys think it's there?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
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    What facts do you want?
    Anything after the last ACARS signal would be a start. Jim
    Other than the Inmarsat pings and some radar data, what makes you think there is anything else?
    Please feel free to post anything that's been confirmed. Jim
    There isn't anything apart from the four subsea pings they have identified as being consistent with the recorders.

    What "truth" do you think is being hidden?

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    The cargo manifest, to start with.

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    The last (8th) "ping" received by Inmarsat from MH 370 was when the plane was on the ground, as indicated by the diagram below, not in the Indian Ocean arc described and now searched.

    That last (partial, and not well understood) "ping" likely came from somewhere close to the borders of Khazakstan and Xinjiang, IMO.
    Lots of flat land out there, making the likelihood that MH 370 landed, didn't crash, after 8 hours flight


    This last "pin"g came 8 minutes after the last complete "ping" at 8.11 am.

    The last info received by Boeing was at approximately 4 hours after it went off radar at 2.15 am, indicating that the engines were still running (thus the plane had not not crashed), at 6.15 am, about 2 hrs before the last Inmarsat received "ping".

    The engines stopped before Inmarsat picked up on the plane's last known location 2 hrs later.

    Given that scenario, it appears that the plane landed up in central Asia at aprox. 6.15 am(Malaysian time) 8th March.
    Lots of flat land out there, making the likelihood that MH 370 landed,so didn't crash, after < 8 hours flight.




    Anti-terror expert Dr Sally Leivesley, a former Home Office official, believes the speed, altitude and direction of the aircraft could have been changed by sending radio signals from a device.

    She said: “It might well be the world’s first cyber hijack. There appears to be an element of planning from someone with a very sophisticated systems [at]engineering understanding.”



    Missing Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370: Jet could have LANDED as final satellite signal may have been sent from ground - Mirror Online
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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    The last (8th) "ping" received by Inmarsat from MH 370 was when the plane was on the ground, as indicated by the diagram below, not in the Indian Ocean arc described and now searched.

    That last (partial, and not well understood) "ping" likely came from somewhere close to the borders of Khazakstan and Xinjiang, IMO.
    Lots of flat land out there, making the likelihood that MH 370 landed, didn't crash, after 8 hours flight


    This last "pin"g came 8 minutes after the last complete "ping" at 8.11 am.

    The last info received by Boeing was at approximately 4 hours after it went off radar at 2.15 am, indicating that the engines were still running (thus the plane had not not crashed), at 6.15 am, about 2 hrs before the last Inmarsat received "ping".

    The engines stopped before Inmarsat picked up on the plane's last known location 2 hrs later.

    Given that scenario, it appears that the plane landed up in central Asia at aprox. 6.15 am(Malaysian time) 8th March.
    Lots of flat land out there, making the likelihood that MH 370 landed,so didn't crash, after < 8 hours flight.


    Anti-terror expert Dr Sally Leivesley, a former Home Office official, believes the speed, altitude and direction of the aircraft could have been changed by sending radio signals from a device.

    She said: “It might well be the world’s first cyber hijack. There appears to be an element of planning from someone with a very sophisticated systems [at]engineering understanding.”



    Missing Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370: Jet could have LANDED as final satellite signal may have been sent from ground - Mirror Online
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    The diagram indicates nothing of the sort. The ACARS was off, Boeing was not still getting information four hours later.

    Your link is a month old "story".

    Stop posting bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    The cargo manifest, to start with.
    Commercially sensitive, I doubt they'll release that although the investigation will already have discounted it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Commercially sensitive, I doubt they'll release that
    They won't an article in the New Straits Times has already confirmed this

    although the investigation will already have discounted it.
    As above - the press is most likely right on this one.

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