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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers

    Sounds like total bullshit. No way a cellphone can make contact from out there.
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    The call ended abruptly possibly "because the aircraft was fast moving away from the (telecommunications) tower", The New Straits Times quoted a source as saying.

    But the Malaysian daily also quoted another source saying that while Fariq Abdul Hamid’s "line was reattached", there was no certainty that a call was made from the Boeing 777 that vanished on March 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers

    Sounds like total bullshit. No way a cellphone can make contact from out there.
    Quote Originally Posted by nationmultimedia.com

    The call ended abruptly possibly "because the aircraft was fast moving away from the (telecommunications) tower", The New Straits Times quoted a source as saying.

    But the Malaysian daily also quoted another source saying that while Fariq Abdul Hamid’s "line was reattached", there was no certainty that a call was made from the Boeing 777 that vanished on March 8.
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    OK maybe he left his cellphone at home and someone switched it on.

    Great news.

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    was the co-pilot even on the plane ?


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    Mystery Call Made from Cockpit of Lost Flight, Says Malaysian Report
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    Copilot Fariq Abdul Hamid is said to have made a cockpit call

    A PILOT of the missing Malaysian airliner made a call on his mobile telephone after it had turned back from its scheduled flight path and was flying low near the island of Penang, according to a Malaysian government controlled newspaper.

    The call on the telephone of first officer Fariq Abdul Hamid ended abruptly after contact was established with a communications tower, the New Straits Times reported on Saturday.

    The newspaper quoted sources as saying the telecommunications tower ''established: the call 27 year-old Mr Fariq was trying to make.''

    According to the sources, the call was likely to have been cut off because the aircraft was moving fast away from the tower and had not come under coverage of the next one.

    But the report said the sources declined to reveal who he was trying to call.

    The report cited other sources close to the investigation into the plane's disappearance as saying that checks on Mr Fariq's phone had shown it had been ''detached'' before the plane with 239 people on board left Kuala Lumpur airport at 12.41am on March 8.

    He had sent a WhatsApp message application at 11.30pm to a regular number.

    These sources were quoted as saying the phone was ''reattached'' near Penang before the plane disappeared from a military radar 320 kilometres north-west of Penang.

    The newspaper described the discovery of the call as a breakthrough into the criminal investigation into the plane's disappearance with 239 people on board.

    Police have said the plane's crew members are among the main ''subjects of the investigation'' but have refused to make public any details.

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    From what I have read elsewhere -that is bad reporting. The phone registered with the network, but there is no evidence that any attempt was made to make a call. (i.e a phone switched on would register with a network it came into range of). And yes, a phone at cruising altitude in a plane could register with a network.



    I now return you to the tin foil hat brigade......

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    Taken this long to dump the phone logs, think not.
    More BS, all just slight of hand and stories intended to confuse.
    Why is OZ looking where they are, no reason given, dart on a map.
    Not one fact yet, no wreckage, no real radar, no proof plane didn't just vanish in a cloud of fairy d.ust

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    With my tin foil hat on, someone could have been testing to see if phone coverage on the plane was out of range yet but got surprised when it "attached" so quickly switched off or shut down the phone.

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    Ha ha sensationalism again, this from the same newspaper (left in normal colouring to avoid upsetting the colour blind whingers, if they don't like the italics they can f*** off );

    KLUANG: Acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein has refuted a front-page report of a local newspaper which claimed that the co-pilot of the MH370 aircraft had made a telephone call when it was flying low near Penang.
    He said, he should have been aware of it (the phone call) earlier, if the claim by the newspaper was true.

    "I cannot comment (on the newspaper report) because if it is true, we would have known about it much earlier," Hishammuddin, who is also defence minister, told reporters after performing a prayer ('solat hajat') at the Taman Sri Lambak Mosque here today.

    He said he had adopted the approach not to confirm anything without any corroboration or verification since the beginning when Flight MH370 was reported missing.
    He said it was irresponsible for any quarters to take the opportunity to make a baseless report.

    The search team, the minister said, had received numerous indicators in the South China Sea, satellite images by China, claims of finding safety jackets and boats to oil spills, the search and rescue expanded to the South China Sea, Andaman Sea and now in the Indian Ocean.

    "We received numerous leads and we followed them but unfortunately, it was a roller-coaster ride, whereby we received information and investigated (them) but they were baseless," he added.

    He hoped the public understood what he was going through because such baseless information not only affected operations but also the families of the passengers and the crew of the aircraft.

    Flight MH370, carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew, left the KL International Airport at 12.41am on March 8 and disappeared from radar screens about an hour later while over the South China Sea. It was to have landed in Beijing at 6.30am on the same day.

    Meanwhile, Hishamuddin also announced the names of two senior officers of the Department Of Civil Aviation who would fly to Australia soon to join the Joint Agency Coordinating Centre.

    Hishamsuddin led 500 people in a special prayer ('solat hajat') for the passengers and crew of the MH370 aircraft.

    He said, Buddhist and Hindu residents in the Sembrong parliamentary seat also held their respective prayers for the safety of the passengers and crew of the aircraft.

    Hishammuddin, who is also member of parliament for Sembrong, said Kahang State Assemblyman R. Vidyanathan and Paloh State Assemblyman Teoh Yap Kun headed the prayer ceremonies for their respective religions. -- BERNAMA


    MH370 Tragedy: Hishammuddin refutes newspaper report co-pilot made phone call - Latest - New Straits Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg
    And yes, a phone at cruising altitude in a plane could register with a network.
    Yes it can. While cruising over or near land. Not over 150km out at sea.

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    Exactly.
    Yes and the fact that the cockpit could turn off the link.
    And then you are reduced to praying to an imaginary God that your ancestors relied on before Mobile (cell) phones.
    Prayers might get through where mobiles won't.

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    PERTH, Australia — With no new underwater signals detected, Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said Saturday that the massive search for the missing Malaysian jet would likely continue “for a long time,” with electronic transmissions from the plane’s black boxes fading fast.

    Abbott appeared to couch his comments from a day earlier while on a visit to China, where he met with President Xi Jinping. He said Friday that he was “very confident” signals heard by an Australian ship towing a U.S. Navy device that detects flight recorder pings were coming from the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777′s black boxes.

    He continued to express this belief Saturday, but added that the job of finding the plane, which disappeared March 8 en route from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing, remained arduous. Recovering the plane’s flight data and cockpit voice recorders is essential for investigators to try to piece together what happened to Flight 370.

    “No one should underestimate the difficulties of the task still ahead of us,” he said on the last day of his China trip.
    Australian PM Tony Abbott changes tone, says search for MH370 might take a long time yet | National Post

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    Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said Saturday the search area for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane had been narrowed to a grid of 40 km by 50 km.

    According to a local journalist familiar with the Abbott team, the leader updated a Chinese media outlet on the size of the refined search area after his press conference in Beijing.
    Search area for MH370 narrowed to 2,000 sq km - China.org.cn

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    There's something I don't understand. Boeing is a corporation, and so are Malaysia airlines and whoever made the engines. They are privatly owned because they can do everything better than the government because there is the profit incentive and competition blah blah blah. So how comes that governments execute all that searching and the taxpayer pays the bill, even from countries that have nothing to do with the issue, like Australia. How comes that Boeing, Malaysia airlines and the engine maker don't do and pay for it?
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    My nets too slow to check this lot out, but seems there has been a lot of eyes looking, some posting map references.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
    There's something I don't understand. Boeing is a corporation, and so are Malaysia airlines and whoever made the engines. They are privatly owned because they can do everything better than the government because there is the profit incentive and competition blah blah blah. So how comes that governments execute all that searching and the taxpayer pays the bill, even from countries that have nothing to do with the issue, like Australia. How comes that Boeing, Malaysia airlines and the engine maker don't do and pay for it?
    After you have had too much Weinbrandverschnitt and crash your Trabant into a ditch who takes your car away to be fixed and you to the hospital? Trabant? or comrade workers for the glorious Democatic Republic?

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    ^^^ Liabilities are covered under the Warsaw Convention...or is it the Montreal Convention....or the Chicago one?

    Warsaw Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If the plane is found and the accident cause proved then liabilities may change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
    There's something I don't understand. Boeing is a corporation, and so are Malaysia airlines and whoever made the engines. They are privatly owned because they can do everything better than the government because there is the profit incentive and competition blah blah blah. So how comes that governments execute all that searching and the taxpayer pays the bill, even from countries that have nothing to do with the issue, like Australia. How comes that Boeing, Malaysia airlines and the engine maker don't do and pay for it?
    Because although Rolls Royce made the engines and Boeing made the aircraft they do not own them. Would Toyota look for your car if you drove it into a lake?

    Given that the aircraft/engines sends RR an update on the engines every 30 minutes ( I believe this was the quoted figure) then they at least may know when/why the engines stopped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
    There's something I don't understand. Boeing is a corporation, and so are Malaysia airlines and whoever made the engines. They are privatly owned because they can do everything better than the government because there is the profit incentive and competition blah blah blah. So how comes that governments execute all that searching and the taxpayer pays the bill, even from countries that have nothing to do with the issue, like Australia. How comes that Boeing, Malaysia airlines and the engine maker don't do and pay for it?
    Because although Rolls Royce made the engines and Boeing made the aircraft they do not own them. Would Toyota look for your car if you drove it into a lake?

    Given that the aircraft/engines sends RR an update on the engines every 30 minutes ( I believe this was the quoted figure) then they at least may know when/why the engines stopped.
    Additionally the Malysian government owns 52% of the airline's shares and would prefer not to have to bail out the airline if passenger numbers fall through the floor. They have to find this plane and establish what went wrong or they lose millions of Dollars of public money.

    Other governments are equally concerned since they need to know whether terrorists or criminals have found a new way of extorting money from a major company and which may be used in their own country next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
    There's something I don't understand. Boeing is a corporation, and so are Malaysia airlines and whoever made the engines. They are privatly owned because they can do everything better than the government because there is the profit incentive and competition blah blah blah. So how comes that governments execute all that searching and the taxpayer pays the bill, even from countries that have nothing to do with the issue, like Australia. How comes that Boeing, Malaysia airlines and the engine maker don't do and pay for it?
    After you have had too much Weinbrandverschnitt and crash your Trabant into a ditch who takes your car away to be fixed and you to the hospital? Trabant? or comrade workers for the glorious Democatic Republic?
    My point exactly. That was a nanny state and we don't want this anymore. Faugh! We wan't people to be responsible and liable for their actions. Why are products and services by very large private corporations the exception from the ideals of freedom? Besides, your comparison sucks. When you crash your car, you gotta pay for everything, either out of your pocket or by prepaid insurances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
    There's something I don't understand. Boeing is a corporation, and so are Malaysia airlines and whoever made the engines. They are privatly owned because they can do everything better than the government because there is the profit incentive and competition blah blah blah. So how comes that governments execute all that searching and the taxpayer pays the bill, even from countries that have nothing to do with the issue, like Australia. How comes that Boeing, Malaysia airlines and the engine maker don't do and pay for it?
    Because although Rolls Royce made the engines and Boeing made the aircraft they do not own them. Would Toyota look for your car if you drove it into a lake?

    Given that the aircraft/engines sends RR an update on the engines every 30 minutes ( I believe this was the quoted figure) then they at least may know when/why the engines stopped.
    Besides which, at this point who'sw to say the blame lies with the aircraft or engine manufacturers?
    infact all things considered I'd say mechanical failure was NOT a cause.
    I can't imagine what mechanical defect would cause a plane to behave in the way MH370 did.
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    Not the Nation » MH370 Search Planes Spot Floating Rohingya Refugees, Dismiss As

    MH370 Search Planes Spot Floating Rohingya Refugees, Dismiss As “Unrelated Debris”



    28 Mar 2014
    SOUTH INDIAN OCEAN – The ongoing saga of locating Malaysia Airlines flight 370 took another disappointing turn today as search planes discovered that many of the large objects seen by satellites were just floating rafts full of Rohingya refugees.
    At approximately 8am this morning Perth time, a US navy P8 aircraft passed over what initially appeared to be a large floating object, the first human contact with a possible piece of the missing Boeing 777 jet, which vanished from radar on March 8. However, once the plane got close enough, the pilots realized that the object was in fact several hundred starving, dehydrated, stateless persons waving from large pontoon.

    "Disappointment" as mysterious object at sea revealed to be unwanted humans
    “Disappointment” as mysterious object at sea revealed to be unwanted humans
    “It’s disappointing that we didn’t find any wreckage, but we’re determined to keep looking,” said Lt Commander Adam Shantz. “There’s a lot of unrelated debris floating in the ocean, and we knew that from the start.”

    The US navy reported that while there were some corpses floating in the sea nearby the raft, it was assumed that the bodies were Rohingyas, and therefore of no interest to the search effort, or to any of the 25 nations involved. Once it was established that the refugees were unrelated to flight MH370, the navy plane flew on and headed towards other coordinates that matched promising satellite data.
    “We don’t want to waste any resources, not even for an hour,” added Shantz. “People are depending on us.”

    The news was shared with the grieving families of the missing passengers at a news conference.

    “We are saddened to report that some of the satellite photos provided by the French authorities turned out to be several hundred living persons who are not material to our investigation, rather than dead persons who might be,” said Malaysia’s acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein. “However, with every lead eliminated, we are in fact narrowing our search field and hope to recover a piece of the plane soon.”

    With grieving family members already initiating lawsuits against the Malaysian government, which they accuse of withholding key information, and with the Chinese state demanding access to all data used in the investigation, pressure is mounting on the Malaysians to come up with at least a single confirmed piece of the actual wreckage to verify their conviction that the plane crashed in the south Indian Ocean.
    Many family members expressed anger at the discovery of the floating Rohingya refugees.

    “If these satellite images can’t tell the difference between our loved ones and these dark-skinned people, then the technology is suspect,” said one woman whose husband was aboard flight 370. “The ocean could be full of floating refugees. We could be chasing phantoms for weeks.”

    According to oceanographer Martin Teel, the south Indian Ocean contains several areas known as “gyres,” or swirling eddies of currents where garbage and other items disposed of by human society end up, floating in endless circles indefinitely.
    A closer look at the ocean debris, which is of no value to investigators, families, governments, or media

    A closer look at the ocean debris, which is of no value to investigators, families, governments, or media

    “It’s not surprising that these Rohingyas appeared on satellite images, causing confusion to the search efforts,” he said. “From what I understand, they have been thrown out of Bangladesh, Burma, and Thailand already. They’re exactly the kind of detritus that ends up in international waters.”

    “The solution going forward is clear,” he added. “Stop disposing of refugees at sea. That’s no way to treat our oceans.”

    Despite the setback, the Malaysian government expressed confidence that the combined efforts and assets of the searching nations would soon find something of value.

    “A piece of wing, a life jacket, even a floating body,” said one official, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitive nature of the investigation. “We know that it’s out there, and we can’t let any distractions prevent us from focusing on what’s important.”

    No Rohingyas were available for comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    KL to Beijing is only 2,700 miles, 5 hours 10 mins flying time, about one third of its 7,700 n.miles maximum range.
    1) Boeing 777 200 ER fuel capacity is,...47,890 U.S. gal (181,280 L)
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    2) "The Boeing 777 was carrying 49.1 metric tons (54.1 tons) of fuel when it departed Kuala Lumpur, for a total takeoff weight of 223.5 tons, according to Subang Jaya-based Malaysian Air."

    3) "Based on my own calculations, this would give it apprx 8hrs (480min) total range for this aircrafts vintage, climbing and then flying along at M.84/485TAS @ Opt FLs. TOW 223.5t ZFW ~ 174.4t (payload ~25.4t) OFF fuel 49.1t

    4) The 777-200ER T892 will burn apprx 6.1t per hour on avg, at those wts and FLs.

    5) VAMPI would likely be reach 82min after takeoff, via the DCT PIBOS R208 IGARI DCT VAMPI routing. 398min (6.6hrs) range from VAMPI @ 485KTAS = 3217nm . Heck thats almost to the Kerguelen Islands."

    (edited and excerpted from below)
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    According to the last quote MH 370 was loaded to full fuel capacity, at captain's discretion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    According to the last quote MH 370 was loaded to full fuel capacity, at captain's discretion.
    If that's true it's positive proof of foul play by the captain. No airline captain would take on any more fuel than needed. The airlines are very strict on that rule to save fuel. They even calculate in wind speed and direction to calculate the safe minimum fuel requirement for the indidvidual flight.
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    ^ It's not true, it's an uncited "quote" from an industry "expert" who wanted to get his company some free press.

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    Looks like the black box batteries have run out.
    Malaysia Airlines MH370: Search for missing plane heads underwater as use of pinger locator winds up
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    Quest to narrow MH370 search area continues

    An unmanned submarine will be sent to try to find wreckage from Malaysia Airlines MH370 after signals suspected to be from the aeroplane's black box fell silent.

    In a media briefing this afternoon, Retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston said no acoustic trace of the black box had been detected for six days.

    "We haven't had a single detection in six days. So I guess it's time to go under water," he said.

    "The experts have determined that the Australian Defence vessel Ocean Shield will cease searching with the towed pinger locator later today and deploy the autonomous underwater vehicle, Bluefin-21, as soon as possible."

    Retired Air Chief Marshal Houston, charged with leading the recovery effort, says an oil slick has also been spotted in the vicinity of the search area, however it is unclear whether it is from the plane.

    The last of the four acoustic signals detected by Ocean Shield were received last Tuesday night, fuelling an expectation that the unit's batteries have now run out.

    "Despite the lack of further detections, the four signals previously acquired taken together constitute the most promising lead we have in the search for MH370," Air Chief Marshal Houston said.

    "We need to pursue this lead as far as possible.

    "Analysis of the four signals has allowed the provisional definition of a reduced and manageable search area on the ocean floor."

    The aircraft vanished off radars on March 8 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board, including six Australians.
    Malaysia Airlines MH370: Search for missing plane heads underwater as use of pinger locator winds up - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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