Thread: Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

Najib Razak: "It is with deep sadness and regret, that according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean."

Malaysia's prime minister has announced on the basis of new analysis it must be concluded that missing flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.

He said Malaysia Airlines had told the families of the 239 people on board.

Earlier the BBC saw a text message sent to families saying it had to be assumed "beyond reasonable doubt" that the plane was lost and there were no survivors.

Flight MH370 went missing after taking off on 8 March.

The announcement by PM Najib Razak came on the fifth day of an international search effort in the southern Indian Ocean.

Based on new analysis the UK's Air Accidents Investigation Branch and Inmarsat, the UK company that provided satellite data, "have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor, and that its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth," he said.

"This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean."

BBC News - Missing plane lost, Malaysia says

The announcement is based on more detailed analysis of satellite data. That is the data from plane signals, not satellite images.

No debris has been found yet. Pieces found were not of the ship but they are getting at more debris pieces.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

The announcement is based on more detailed analysis of satellite data. That is the data from plane signals, not satellite images.

No debris has been found yet. Pieces found were not of the ship but they are getting at more debris pieces.

We tend to jump to conclusions after every "official" announcement regarding this weird story and it's turn of events of the last couple of weeks....

Wreckage here, wreckage there.....

This current evidence in the Indian Ocean has not been investigated at sight - only speculative imagery - guess work.

Some want false closure.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

This current evidence in the Indian Ocean has not been investigated at sight - only speculative imagery - guess work.

Latest evidence is predicted last position from satellite data received from plane and not imagery at all. Data put through a math model analysis and calculated last position is nowhere near land. Weather permitting, it may now be possible to search the right bit of ocean.

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

This current evidence in the Indian Ocean has not been investigated at sight - only speculative imagery - guess work.

Latest evidence is predicted last position from satellite data received from plane and not imagery at all. Data put through a math model analysis and calculated last position is nowhere near land. Weather permitting, it may now be possible to search the right bit of ocean.

Ok...
But we won't know until a physical area search and investigation is performed, will we?

Math model analysis and calculated data notwithstanding.

My heart is with the families. I hope they can get some closure.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Ok... But we won't know until a physical area search and investigation is performed, will we?
Math model analysis and calculated data notwithstanding.

For you and me analysis of data may not be conclusive proof, for scientists it is.

This said I personally have no idea how they get at doppler shift data unless the satellite receiver is designed to recognize and record them explicitly.

Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble

I have a folding bike with 20inch wheels, it would take me a week to do 40k.

Yeah, but you're riding 'round your deck...heh...

Originally Posted by patsycat

I read somewhere that that eedjit Sarah Palin said that it had flown straight to heaven.

Not enough fuel...Next...

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

Najib Razak: "It is with deep sadness and regret, that according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean."

Just saw this now...

RIP, passengers and crew...Condolences to families and friends...

I know what going through my mind.
Bet a few other are thinking the same thing.

^Yeah...Wait for it...

Very sad news (just seen BBC item) even though not unexpected but much worse that people have had to wait for so long. RIP passengers and crew with condolences to families friends and relatives.

Originally Posted by Ronin

The report added that the FBI’s interest would be on Zaharie’s personal life, including his relationship with his family and his political leanings. They are also said to be interested in examining reports that shortly before Flight MH370 took off from KLIA

I wrote a whole half page on this way back in post 1201. A "breakdown" of the chief pilot would explain a great many things which seem to be inexplicable in all the other theories.

When a plane heading for China ends up 1500kms SW of Perth, Australia, somebody on board flew it there....and did not want to be interfered with while he was doing it. The best guess under the circumstances would be a chief pilot with family and other personal and political issues.....

In a statement released on Tuesday morning, the Amsa said:

Due to rough seas, HMAS Success departed the search area early this morning and is now in transit south of the search area until seas abate. A sea state ranging between 7 to 8 is forecast today with waves up to two metres and an associated swell of up to four metres.

The area is also forecast to experience strong gale force winds of up to 80km/h, periods of heavy rain, and low cloud with a ceiling between 200 and 500 feet.

AMSA has undertaken a risk assessment and determined that the current weather conditions would make any air and sea search activities hazardous and pose a risk to crew. Therefore, AMSA has suspended all sea and air search operations for today due to these weather conditions.

AMSA has consulted with the Bureau of Meteorology and weather conditions are expected to improve in the search area in the evening and over the next few days. Search operations are expected to resume tomorrow, if weather conditions permit.

HMAS Success will return to the search area once weather conditions improve.

MH370: search for debris suspended as families attack government - live | World news | theguardian.com

Originally Posted by koman

When a plane heading for China ends up 1500kms SW of Perth, Australia, somebody on board flew it there....and did not want to be interfered with while he was doing it. The best guess under the circumstances would be a chief pilot with family and other personal and political issues.....

You may well be right but personally I don't like to draw conclusions from what is hearsay. Just possibly it could turn out to be something that nobody even thought even if that seems unlikely given what little we know so far.

I think this is the end of the road...will be interesting to see what more they can find out now with the latest technology in a difficult area...

Originally Posted by Ronin

Originally Posted by koman

When a plane heading for China ends up 1500kms SW of Perth, Australia, somebody on board flew it there....and did not want to be interfered with while he was doing it. The best guess under the circumstances would be a chief pilot with family and other personal and political issues.....

You may well be right but personally I don't like to draw conclusions from what is hearsay. Just possibly it could turn out to be something that nobody even thought even if that seems unlikely given what little we know so far.

There are no "conclusions"....just possibilities and a few strong indicators that all was not well in the life of the pilot just prior to the disappearance.

The plane was directed from it's original destination course, all the way to the southern ocean. That would require a skilled and experienced individual to execute all the comms blackouts and course changes etc.

The chief pilot was passionate about a political situation in which his hero had just been jailed for five years on questionable charges and evidence.

There are reports that his family life had taken a turn for the worse.....but this has not been established as a fact....as far as I know.

Of course these things might be all blind alley's ... but it's a simple theory and I've seen no others that can explain the series of events adequately. It's hard to understand why it's taking so long for things like this to be established, but that's been the standard for the whole story so far. Until something really enlightening appears, I'll stick with the pilot having an emotional meltdown of some kind. In the meantime everyone else who feels inclined, can continue to believe in some CIA black op........

Originally Posted by BaitongBoy

I think this is the end of the road...will be interesting to see what more they can find out now with the latest technology in a difficult area...

If they can firmly establish the location, technology will have a good shot at solving at least some of the mystery. They have submersibles that can go deep enough and recover stuff...even if it means waiting for the austral summer to come around again.

Originally Posted by koman

his hero had just been jailed for five years on questionable charges and evidence.

He hadn't been jailed . . . and his semen in another man's arse . . .
Anwar has had a reputation as a partial batty boy since high school. The ridiculous thing is for someone to be jailed for this - though the case was labelled rape.
This should make all the TD homophobes happy

Originally Posted by koman

The chief pilot was passionate about a political situation

The political party he supported is the most central and mainstream party - nothing radical at all about it. Upon Anwar's judgement, his wife took over the helm for the Kajang by-election . . . and won . . . it's a very safe PKR seat - never a doubt.

I really don't think it had anything to do with Anwar, nor does anyone else here, simply not plausible given the circumstances.

Does beg he question, though . . . was it him or the co-pilot or some passengers who got into the cockpit

Originally Posted by koman

somebody on board flew it there

Or something flew it. Until plane ran out of fuel, on board computer auto pilot would do it just fine.

Who and reason for the course change is unknown and will remain so until flight data recorders are found. Even then, some questions will be unanswered.

Every time an aircraft crashes, changes to ensure it doesn't happen again are usually mandated. Two I've seen discussed make sense.

1) Even though we don't know the transponder was "turned off", remove the in cockpit capability to switch off the transponder. The only legitimate reason to turn off the transponder is when an aircraft is on the ground. This can be automated without a huge change.

2) Malaysia Airlines did not subscribe to satellite service which tracks ACARS. Mandate that all commercial airlines subscribe. Had this been the case, ACARS would have within minutes alerted the plane had a course change. Would have saved several days of searching the wrong area.

We are all tempted by the "cheapest fare", air lines need money to be viable. temptation to cut corners, with expensive results.

yes good idea, i believe this incident will shake the procedures of many airlines, for the better, although the Asian mentality will shrug it off fairly quickly. Singapore being the exception of "Asian airlines".