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Old 08-03-2014, 07:33 PM   #51 (permalink)
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3 Italian Sources to confirm that passenger Luigi Maraldi was not on flight as stated by the passenger manifesto.

Is there foul play suspected here??? An aircraft disappearing out of the sky .... smells of foul play.

Luigi called his parents from Thailand to tell them he was safe on the ground and was never on the flight.

He reported his passport stolen in Thailand on August 1 2013

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A likely tale: I don't see any Italian name on the passenger manifest
thats because you are a dumbo and cant read.

look at passenger 101 on your list and tell the forum what it says.

and passenger 35 on my list posted below.






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then who trusts pprune anyway?
be silly to trust your information.

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I have flown on Malaysian Airlines dozens of times and must comment that most of the planes are in need of a good upgrade.

Such terrible news and my thoughts are with the families who lost their loved ones.
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3 Italian Sources to confirm that passenger Luigi Maraldi was not on flight as stated by the passenger manifesto.

Is there foul play suspected here??? An aircraft disappearing out of the sky .... smells of foul play.

Luigi called his parents from Thailand to tell them he was safe on the ground and was never on the flight.

He reported his passport stolen in Thailand on August 1 2013

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A likely tale: I don't see any Italian name on the passenger manifest
thats because you are a dumbo and cant read.

look at passenger 101 on your list and tell the forum what it says.

and passenger 35 on my list posted below.






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then who trusts pprune anyway?
be silly to trust your information.
If this is true, it is either a crazy coincidence that someone is just using a fake passport to travel on a plane that was doomed or this is a terrorist event.
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If this is true, it is either a crazy coincidence that someone is just using a fake passport to travel on a plane that was doomed or this is a terrorist event.
Should you care to look the manifest I supplied complete with link have the MAS logo whereas taxexile has simply dug up some crap from god knows where - but that's no surprise. Should you have any doubt then check my link and not one supplied by that clown as it simply leads to a site written in Italian whereas the one I supplied leads to MAS's own website so according to taxexile MAS don't know who was on their own plane!
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and what is the name and nationality of passenger 101 on the mas supplied manifest that you posted?




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According to Austrian Foreign Ministry the Austrian on the manifest is well and in Austria. His passport had been reported stolen 2 years ago in Thailand. This has been reported by APA news agency in Austria.

http://www.apa.at/News/6217359958/bo...rschollen.html


thats two passengers on the plane using passports previously reported stolen in thailand. one italian, one austrian.

coincidence??

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and what is the name and nationality of passenger 101 on the mas supplied manifest that you posted?
OK, I missed it, but there was no need to be as rude as you were since I never insulted you in the first place besides you pointed to passenger no 35 in the list you supplied which is erroneous since as I pointed out above the source I quoted was from MAS themselves, so are you going to tell us you know the airline's business better than they do?


Ps: Why are you posting links to sites that are written in Italian and German?

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pprune forum is reporting that an italian named on the passenger list of the lost aircraft has contacted his family saying he was never on that flight, in fact he is in thailand right now. he also states that his passport was stolen in thailand in august 2013.

so who was it that used his passport to get on that flight that disappeared suddenly without any mayday call??

A likely tale: I don't see any Italian name on the passenger manifest but then who trusts pprune anyway?

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/cont...20Manifest.pdf

MARALDI/LUIG ITA ? # 101
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You would think in this day and age of GPS capabilities and LoJack systems they would have come up with a solution.
You would think with data transmission speeds the way they are they could stream the CVR and FDR data straight to base.

Then they'd have everything they need within minutes of being alerted.
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Re the passports shit, they are often used by drug smugglers. I remember some Welsh lad who got loads of emails from his mates because he'd supposedly been arrested smuggling drugs. Turns out his passport had made its way from being stolen in Thailand to some African drug mule.
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but to have 2 on one plane, smuggling drugs into china through beijing airport ????

next to impossible.
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you have to be unlucky in this day and age to have worry flying a quality airline.
definitely unlucky, but i sometime think (usually when I'm at the airport) why crashes don't happen more often. there are so many things that can go wrong, and if things go wrong, they aren't likely to end well when you're at 30,000 feet.



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It has to be a bomb or massive structural failure which somehow started in the cockpit.
i remember reading something a few years back about the cause of a plane crash....it was a short in the electrical system that caused a spark and blew up the fuel tanks.

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Here in the UK it's being speculated by the "experts" as either: poor maintenance or terrorism.
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Al Jazeera said they have confirmed there were two stolen passports used on the flight. The other one being Austrian.
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Not much point in it being a terrorist act if the terrorists don'r announce it.
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And it can years of investigative work to find the cause of a crash this severe.
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Would not a stolen passport that's being canceled show up at check in after scanning ?
so much for security..
Maybe a few nicked passports per flight is just normal .
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You would think in this day and age of GPS capabilities and LoJack systems they would have come up with a solution.
You would wouldn't you.

But most of these planes are running on old tech.

Satellite phone with a gps to enable a lojack would be easy enough to retrofit, but it would have to be "always on". Can you imagine the size of a carriers phone bill?

Balance the cost of every passenger jet installing and using it and the fact that not a lot of planes actually get lost at sea and the economics don't add up at all. Cheaper still would be to fit a sonar transponder that activates when submerged, or a detachable epirb beacon, but again, not a lot of planes crash, let alone in water.
All Rolls Royce engines form the last few years have the ability to send live data back to RRHQ of their operating performance, so to send cockpit data back to either the airline HQ or the aircraft manufacturers would be a seemingly simple thing to do in the grand scheme of things.
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Hope they locate it quickly. Barring a full on crash still some chance of survivors.
Hope you are right. But since it made no distress call from 30000 ft. Unlikely that it was in one piece to ditch. Also ditching into the ocean is often worse than hitting the ground. All those lumpy waves and ground swells. Sad way to go. Must be horrible waiting for news of family and friends.
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Such terrible news and my thoughts are with the families who lost their loved ones.
Anyone who flies will share your words, thankfully these disasters are a rarity these days.
RIP to those lost.
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2 on missing Malaysian plane had stolen passports

2 on missing Malaysian plane used passports reported stolen in Thailand

BEIJING — Two passengers on the flight manifest for the Malaysian jetliner that vanished with 239 on board weren't on board the plane, foreign ministry officials in Italy and Austria said Saturday.
Italian news agency ANSA reported that the Italian citizen whose name is on the passenger manifest, Louis Maraldi, 37, from Cesena, was not aboard the plane and had phoned his parents to say that he is well. He had reported his passport stolen Aug. 1 in Thailand. The Italian Foreign Ministry has confirmed that the Italian was not on board the aircraft.
At the same time, Austrian Foreign Ministry spokesman Martin Weiss told the AP that a name listed on the manifest matches an Austrian passport reported stolen two years ago in Thailand. Weiss would not confirm the identity.
Meanwhile, authorities in Southeast Asia launched a search-and-rescue mission for the plane, which vanished on a flight to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur. The plane had been flying for about two hours when air-traffic control reported it had lost all communications.
Vietnamese air force planes spotted two oil slicks Saturday, each between 6 and 9 miles long, 77 miles south of the island of Tho Chu in the Gulf of Thailand, located off the southern tip of Vietnam, the Vietnamese government reported on its website. The slicks were located about one-third of a mile apart and were spotted from above. Rescuers believe the slicks are consistent with those expected to be left from a crashed jetliner, the statement said.
The plane's location remains a mystery, and Malaysia Airlines said there was no indication that the pilots sent a distress signal. No wreckage had yet been spotted.
There were also no reports of rough weather or other signs of trouble at the time of the commercial airline's disappearance. At the time of the flight, some light rain and snow was falling in the area, AccuWeather Meteorologist Alan Reppert said.
Reppert said there was some light precipitation over South and Central China, but any precipitation that would have formed would have been well below the flight level at around 15,000 feet.
The airline said it has yet "to establish any contact or determine the whereabouts of flight MH370."
Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said there was no reason to suspect terrorism but that all possibilities were being looked into.
"We deeply regret that we have lost all contact with flight MH370 which departed Kuala Lumpur at 12:41 a.m. earlier this (Saturday) morning bound for Beijing," Malaysia Airlines CEO Ahmad Juahari Yahya said in a statement released Friday night ET.

"Focus of the airline is to work with the emergency responders and authorities and mobilize its full support," Yahya's statement read. "Our thoughts and prayers are with all affected passengers and crew and their family members."
The twin-engine jet carried 227 passengers and 12 crewmembers. Malaysia Airlines said three Americans were on board.
On Saturday, the Americans on board were named on a passenger manifest as Nicole Meng, 4; Philip Wood, 51; and Yan Zhang, 2. The State Department confirmed three Americans were on board the flight and said officials from the U.S. embassies in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and Beijing are in contact with their families.
Malaysia Airlines said the people on board represented 14 nationalities, including 152 plus one infant from China, 38 from Malaysia, seven from Indonesia, six from Australia, three from France, two plus one infant from the United States, two each from New Zealand, Ukraine and Canada, and one each from Russia, Italy, Taiwan, Netherlands and Austria. Five Indian nationals were also on the flight.
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All Rolls Royce engines form the last few years have the ability to send live data back to RRHQ of their operating performance, so to send cockpit data back to either the airline HQ or the aircraft manufacturers would be a seemingly simple thing to do in the grand scheme of things.
But would it be legal? The CVR is on a 2-hour loop and is available to investigations following an incident. Anything else would be eavesdropping.

As for old tech...maybe but remember that it has to withstand impact, fire, water and anything else that happens in a crash and still be able to playback the "Holy Fcuk" just before impact.
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Regarding the passenger list and stolen passports:


It would feel kinda weird to see your name on the list of passengers of a doomed flight...
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Old 09-03-2014, 06:47 AM   #74 (permalink)
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^ especially after thinking it through a bit - one or two people may indeed start wondering if you had sold your passport and what the consequences of that might have been
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Old 09-03-2014, 07:06 AM   #75 (permalink)
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And two passengers on stolen passports, I think that means a bomb for sure.
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