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Old 08-03-2014, 11:35 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I'd be surprised if the military would announce that if they weren't sure.
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If it has crashed, now the speculation will begin, time to turn the news off, it will just be "experts" giving their opinion on what caused it without a shred of evidence.

Fuck that shit, RIP to all the lost souls and condolences to their friends and relatives.
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The Boeing 777 flown by Malaysia Airlines that disappeared over the South China Sea is one of the world's most popular - and safest - jets.

The long-range jumbo jet has helped connect cities at the far ends of the globe, with flights as long as 16 hours. But more impressive is its safety record: The first fatal crash in its 19-year history only came last July when an Asiana Airlines jet landed short of the runway in San Francisco. Three of the 307 people aboard died.

Airlines like the plane because it is capable of flying extremely long distances thanks to two giant engines. Each engine is so massive that a row of at least five coach seats could fit inside it. By having just two engines, the plane burns through less fuel than four-engine jets, like the Boeing 747, which it has essentially replaced.

"It has provided a new standard in both efficiency and safety," said Richard Aboulafia, an aviation consultant with the Teal Group. "The 777 has enjoyed one of the safest records of any jetliner built."

Besides last year's Asiana crash, the only other serious incident with the 777 came in January 2008 when a British Airways jet landed about 305 metres short of the runway at London's Heathrow Airport.

Malaysia Airlines did have an incident in August 2005 with a 777 flying from Perth, Australia, to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia's largest city. While flying 11,580 metres above the Indian Ocean, the plane's software incorrectly measured speed and acceleration, causing the plane to suddenly shoot up 915 metres.

The pilot disengaged the autopilot and descended and landed safely back in Perth. A software update was quickly made on planes around the world.

Malaysia Airlines has 15 Boeing 777-200ER jets in its fleet of about 100 planes
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Last signal of missing Malaysia Airlines flight detected by Vietnam as it flew over sea
Passengers from 14 countries were on board flight MH370
PUBLISHED : Saturday, 08 March, 2014, 9:05am
UPDATED : Saturday, 08 March, 2014, 1:52pm
Danny Lee, Andrea Chen and Agencies

Vietnamese authorities said Saturday that they had detected the last signal from a missing Malaysia Airlines flight before it disappeared while flying over the South China Sea.

Navy Admiral Ngo Van Phat confirmed that the plane had crashed into the ocean, according to leading daily newspaper Tuoi Tre.

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew members from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing when contact was lost, the carrier said on Saturday.

Pham Hien, a Vietnamese search and rescue offical, said the last signal was detected120 nautical miles southwest of Vietnam's southernmost Ca Mau province.

Director of Vietnam's airspace, Lai Xuan Thanh, said the plane had been over the sea and heading towards the country's airspace, but air traffic controllers were unable to make contact with the pilots before it vanished.


A relative of a passenger onboard Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 cries at the Beijing Capital International Airport. Photo: Reuters

There were 153 Chinese nationals on board, including one infant, an airline representative said at a press conference on Saturday morning. Also on board were passengers from the following countries and regions:

Malaysia 38; Indonesia 12; Australia 6; France 4; United States 3 (including one infant); New Zealand 2, Ukraine 2, Canada 2; Russia 1, Italy 1, Taiwan 1, Netherlands 1, Austria 1. The spokesperson could not confirm if any HongKongers were among the Chinese nationals on board.

Flight MH370 lost contact with air traffic controllers near Ho Chi Minh City in Vietnam at around 2.40am local time, the airline said in a statement. No distress signal was relayed before the aircraft disappeared.

The flight was being piloted by Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, a Malaysian aged 53, with 18,365 hours' flying experience. He joined Malaysia Airlines in 1981.

Malaysia Airlines CEO, Ahmad Jauhari Yahya, said in a press conference Saturday that the company was "deeply saddened" by news of the disappearance.

"Malaysia Airlines confirms that flight MH370 had lost contact with Subang Air Traffic Control at 2.40am, today.

"There has been speculation that the aircraft has landed at Nanming. We are working to verify the authenticity of the report and others.


People believed to be passengers' relatives waiting at Beijing airport on Saturday morning. Photo: Reuters

"Flight MH370 was operated on a Boeing 777-200 aircraft. It departed Kuala Lumpur at 12.41 am earlier this morning bound for Beijing. The aircraft was scheduled to land at Beijing International Airport at 6.30am local Beijing time."

He added: "Our thoughts and prayers are with all affected passengers and crew and their family members."

A Malaysia Airlines spokesman told the South China Morning Post on Saturday that representatives were contacting the next of kin of passengers and crew members.

Earlier Saturday rumours circulated that the plane had landed safely, but Fuad Sharuji, Malaysian Airlines’ vice president of operations control, told CNN that they were untrue and the airline had no idea where the aircraft was.


An information board at Beijing airport shows the flight was "delayed". Photo: Reuters

The plane, a Boeing 777-200, left Kuala Lumpur 41 minutes after midnight on Saturday, and had been due to arrive in Beijing at 6:30am local time, the airline added.

A Malaysia Airlines spokesperson added that if the plane was in the air, it would have run out of fuel sometime around 8.30am.

“At this moment, we have got no idea where this aircraft is right now," he said.

At Beijing’s airport, authorities posted a notice asking relatives and friends of passengers to gather to a hotel about 15 kilometers (9 miles) from the airport to wait for further information, and provided a shuttle bus service.

Zhai Le was waiting for her friends, a couple who were on their way back to the Chinese capital on the flight. She said she was very concerned because she had not been able to reach them.


Reporters and relatives waiting at the Beijing airport on Saturday. Photo: Weibo screenshot

A woman wept aboard the shuttle bus while saying on a mobile phone, “They want us to go to the hotel. It cannot be good.”

Xinhua reported on weibo that China's transport ministry had sent two rescue ships to the South China Sea to take part in the search for the plane.

According to data from CAPA Centre for Aviation, the average age of Malaysia Airline’s fleet of Boeing 777-200ER are 14.3 years old. The average age of the fleet is 4.5 years old.

The same aircraft model of the Boeing 777-200ER crashed at San Francisco on July 6, last year. Asiana Airlines OZ214 crashed on landing at the west-coast American airport, killing three people and injuring 181 people.

China’s foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said in a statement: “We are very concerned learning this news.”

“We are contacting relevant authorities and are trying to confirm relevant information.”


A map provided by live air traffic site flightradar24 shows the last position the flight was tracked

A Beijing airport spokeswoman said the facility had activated an emergency response system. Screens at the airport indicated the flight was “delayed.”

An accident would be a huge blow for the carrier, which has bled money for years as its struggles to fend off competition from rivals such as fast-growing AirAsia.

It recorded its fourth straight quarterly loss during the final three months of last year and warned of a “challenging” year ahead due to intense competition.

In 2012, the carrier admitted it was in “crisis”, forcing it to implement a cost-cutting campaign centred on slashing routes and other measures.

In 2011, it chalked up a record 2.5 billion ringgit ( US$767 million) loss.Boeing, which has been beset by problems with its high-tech 787 Dreamliners put into service two years ago, including a months-long global grounding over battery problems last year, issued a brief statement on its Twitter feed.

“We’re closely monitoring reports on Malaysia flight MH370. Our thoughts are with everyone on board,” it said.

MAS has suffered few accidents in its history.

One of its jets crashed in 1977 in southern Malaysia, killing all 93 passengers and seven crew.

A smaller Twin Otter aircraft, operated by its unit MASwings, crashed upon landing in Malaysia’s Sabah state on Borneo island last October, killing a co-pilot and a passenger.

Last signal of missing Malaysia Airlines flight detected by Vietnam as it flew over sea | South China Morning Post
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For an AC of that type to just vanish off the radar with no warnings or distress call, something catastrophic much have occurred. Big planes like that don't just suddenly fall out of the sky.... Terrible loss of life; whatever happened.
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For an AC of that type to just vanish off the radar with no warnings or distress call, something catastrophic much have occurred. Big planes like that don't just suddenly fall out of the sky.... Terrible loss of life; whatever happened.
Well with the recent Islamic terrorist stabbings in China...plane traveling to Beijing from a Muslim country.....I know it is a Muslim airline carrying Muslims but still, these people don't seem to care anymore. Bomb, attempted high jacking gone wrong..... it is a possibility because as you said, planes with good weather rarely drop out of cruise altitude. The other options are massive decompression or fire.

There is something about the loss of a commercial airliner that stirs emotion in me, I don't know why....they just seem so innocent and tragic
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CORRECTED-UPDATE 4-Malaysia Airlines plane crashes in South China Sea with 239 people aboard - report


KUALA LUMPUR, March 8 (Reuters) - A Malaysia Airlines flight carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew crashed in the South China Sea on Saturday, Vietnamese state media said, quoting a senior naval official.

The Boeing 777-200ER flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing had been missing for hours when Vietnam's Tuoi Tre news quoted Admiral Ngo Van Phat as saying he had asked boats from an island off south Vietnam to rush to the crash site.

If the report is confirmed, it would mark the U.S.-built airliner's deadliest crash since entering service 19 years ago.


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Hope they locate it quickly. Barring a full on crash still some chance of survivors.
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Sad news,the aircraft had an incident a few years ago whilst on the ground.http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=147571

If you look at the picture of the plane it collided with,can see wing tip resting on the rear of the other aircraft.
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Current info from MAS themselves time 10:45 GMT (UK);

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Don't planes have transponders on them?
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Don't planes have transponders on them?
Yes but the Emergency beacons are a separate bit of kit, the transponder won't work after a crash.

Remember AF447? That literally fell out of the sky as well, in 2009. They found it in 2011, long after the beacons stopped pinging.

They won't stop looking until they find it.
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You would think in this day and age of GPS capabilities and LoJack systems they would have come up with a solution.
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You would think in this day and age of GPS capabilities and LoJack systems they would have come up with a solution.
You would wouldn't you.

But most of these planes are running on old tech.

Satellite phone with a gps to enable a lojack would be easy enough to retrofit, but it would have to be "always on". Can you imagine the size of a carriers phone bill?

Balance the cost of every passenger jet installing and using it and the fact that not a lot of planes actually get lost at sea and the economics don't add up at all. Cheaper still would be to fit a sonar transponder that activates when submerged, or a detachable epirb beacon, but again, not a lot of planes crash, let alone in water.
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i would of taken the same flight about 4 months ago, stayed awake so i could look out the window , wanted to see the over flight over land and see the night lights.
poor buggers, you have to be unlucky in this day and age to have worry flying a quality airline. rip to the lost.
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http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...t-lost-11.html

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pprune forum is reporting that an italian named on the passenger list of the lost aircraft has contacted his family saying he was never on that flight, in fact he is in thailand right now. he also states that his passport was stolen in thailand in august 2013.

so who was it that used his passport to get on that flight that disappeared suddenly without any mayday call??
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BREAKING NEWS:

Vietnam air force planes spot two large oil slicks suspected to be from missing Malaysia Airlines plane , officials say

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It has to be a bomb or massive structural failure which somehow started in the cockpit. No mayday given is very strange, pretty much every possible scenario would have given the pilots time for a mayday aside from what I mentioned.

It could be something totally absurd like both pilots were out of their seats and the plane suddenly dived but I highly doubt that.
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Oil slick spotted.

Oil slicks spotted in search for Malaysia Airlines plane
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^^ We will have to wait and see, but you are right that it must have been something sudden. There will be plenty of speculation that's for sure.
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pprune forum is reporting that an italian named on the passenger list of the lost aircraft has contacted his family saying he was never on that flight, in fact he is in thailand right now. he also states that his passport was stolen in thailand in august 2013.

so who was it that used his passport to get on that flight that disappeared suddenly without any mayday call??

A likely tale: I don't see any Italian name on the passenger manifest but then who trusts pprune anyway?

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/mas/master/en/pdf/Malaysia%20Airlines%20Flight%20MH%20370%20Passenge r%20Manifest.pdf
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Oil slick spotted in sea in search for missing Malaysian plane

Vietnam air force planes spot two oil slicks suspected to be from missing Malaysian Boeing 777 jet, which vanished over the South China Sea with 239 people on board


The fate of flight MH370 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing remains unclear more than 12 hours after air traffic controllers lost touch with the plane.

However, there were reports Vietnamese air force planes have spotted a 14-mile long oil slick 120 miles off the coast of Cape Ca Mau - the most southerly point of Vietnam's mainland.


"We have no information on the location of the aircraft," said Malaysia Airlines in a statement. "We are currently working with international authorities on the search and rescue mission."




The last reported position of Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 (flightradar24.com)


The search has focused on an area of the South China Sea roughly 120 nautical miles south west of Vietnam - the last point of contact with the jet, and where the oil slick has been reported.




China, Vietnam, Malaysia and the Philippines all dispatched rescue ships and an emergency rescue message also alerted all ships in the region to assist the mission and watch for any survivors that might be adrift.

The flight, a codeshare with China Southern airlines, had 153 Chinese on board, including one child. There were also five Indians, four French, three US citizens, two passengers each from New Zealand, Ukraine, and Canada, and one each from Russia, Italy, the Netherlands and Austria, but no British passengers.

Among the Chinese were two groups, one of artists and their families, who had taken part in a cultural exchange and another of Buddhists returning from a religious meeting in the Malaysian capital.

Relatives of the passengers were directed by the Chinese police to the Lido Hotel in Beijing where they waited for news in a large conference room.

Angry relatives accused the airline of keeping them in the dark and failing to provide updates as they were received.

About 20 people stormed out of the room at one point, enraged they had been given no information.

"There's no one from the company here, we can't find a single person. They've just shut us in this room and told us to wait," said one middle-aged man, who declined to give his name.

"We want someone to show their face. They haven't even given us the passenger list," he said.

Another relative, trying to evade a throng of reporters, muttered: "They're treating us worse than dogs''


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ian-plane.html
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