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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Agreed, but the implications of this go further than the loss of the passengers (or cargo).

    If there is by the slightest shred of possibility a set of circumstances by which a plane can magically deviate, on its own and in an organised manner, from its predicted flight path, they need to find out to make sure none of the other 1500+ B777's do it.

    (There was a sort of similar case with Aeroflot 593 which effectively flew itself into the ground while on autopilot).

    There is no other reason really. The insurance issues are all closed as far as I know, unless the insurers get their money back if it is discovered that Captain Shah did the dirty.
    I take your point completely. So why isn't it the airline, the airplane manufacturer, the insurers, and/or international air safety organisations footing the bill? Why the Malaysian government, why did China invest in the intitial search, and do we know China is not paying Malaysia to front this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    I take your point completely. So why isn't it the airline, the airplane manufacturer, the insurers, and/or international air safety organisations footing the bill? Why the Malaysian government, why did China invest in the intitial search, and do we know China is not paying Malaysia to front this?

    They're all good questions.

    My only answer would be that none of them want to throw any more money down the drain.

    As I said earlier, if this wasn't "no win, no fee" then it wouldn't be happening.

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    OK, lets go one step further...the treasure hunters find the black boxes. Malaysia pays 70 mill. Then what? What did they pay 70 mill for?
    (Why did Malaysia pay over 100 mill for the initial 4 year search?)

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    They will be paying 70 mill for the location only. They have stipulated in the contract that they want a fuselage or black box.....not some smaller part like a flaperon.

    Not sure who will be doing the recovery or paying for that.

    And didn't Australia pay a large chunk of the search costs so far ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    They will be paying 70 mill for the location only. They have stipulated in the contract that they want a fuselage or black box.....not some smaller part like a flaperon.

    Not sure who will be doing the recovery or paying for that.

    And didn't Australia pay a large chunk of the search costs so far ?
    Yeah but they'll get that back in trade deals and shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    OK, lets go one step further...the treasure hunters find the black boxes. Malaysia pays 70 mill. Then what? What did they pay 70 mill for?
    (Why did Malaysia pay over 100 mill for the initial 4 year search?)

    They paid to give the families answers as to why their loved ones got on one of the national carrier's planes never to be seen again.

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    Seabed Constructor has 65 crew on board and is carrying eight autonomous underwater vehicles that can search in greater detail (with HD cameras and an array of sensors), as well as four times faster, than earlier efforts. Six unmanned surface vessels work with the underwater vehicles for precise positioning and communications, Ocean Infinity says on its website.
    It’s the first time the company has taken on such a project, but its experience using deep-sea technology for seabed mapping and imaging, marine geological surveys, and environmental monitoring stands it in good stead.

    https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-t...s-mh370-plane/

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    F*ck-an-A.

    Almost 4 years.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grampa View Post
    F*ck-an-A.

    Almost 4 years.....
    Even if you look at the entire area they covered, it is but a small straw in a giant fucking haystack.

    If they find it in three months, it will be a modern miracle.

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    There's a particularly tantalising reason why the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 may indeed be found inside the proposed new search area at 35 degrees south in the southern Indian Ocean.

    It's the lack of any debris from the plane found on Australia's west coast.

    Other than a small towelette in Malaysia Airlines packaging found on a WA beach in 2015 which may or may not have come from MH370 every piece of debris known to have come from the missing plane washed up on the east coast of Africa, or nearby islands.


    This is significant, given Australian investigators believe there were five possible autopilot control modes the plane could have been on at the time it ran out of fuel and crashed into the ocean.


    Calculations based on four of those settings point to a crash site further south (36-39 degrees south) or further north (33-34 degrees south), where the ocean currents in the days after the plane disappeared ran in an easterly direction, and would be expected to wash at least some debris towards Australia.

    One source close to the investigation says only one of the five auto pilot settings constant magnetic heading (CMH) would lead to a crash site at 35S, where the ocean current at the time ran in the opposite direction, towards Africa.
    Nevertheless, other evidence in the weeks and months after the plane disappeared namely the satellite "pings" picked up from the aircraft by Britain's Inmarsat satellite prompted the Australian-led search team to focus on a 120,000-square-kilometre area around 36 degrees or further south, a search which ultimately proved fruitless.

    Only now, since the examination of the various debris and studies on ocean drift patterns, has the likely wreck site shifted north to an area around 35 degrees south, straddling the imaginary line known as the "seventh arc" which shows possible locations of the plane at the time of the seventh "ping".

    The Malaysian Government this week confirmed it had signed an agreement to pay a US seabed exploration firm Ocean Infinity between $20 million and $70 million if it finds the missing aircraft within 90 days of embarking on a new search.
    Its search ship Seabed Constructor is already heading to the new search zone and will begin scouring the ocean floor as early as next week.

    Ocean Infinity is confident of finding the plane if indeed it is inside the search area.
    "We can roughly cover 1,200 square kilometres a day," chief executive Oliver Plunkett said. "Which means that we will finish the first 25,000 within first three to four weeks of the search."

    Dr David Griffin, an Australian oceanographer at the CSIRO, led the drift analysis that last year helped narrow down the search zone to an area no bigger than 25,000 square kilometres, where Ocean Infinity will focus its search.

    "The oceanographic reason for why 35 [degrees south] is more likely than say 34, or 33, or 32, is that at all those latitudes the current is going to the east," Dr Griffin said.


    "So if the crash had been in any of those latitudes then there'd be a high chance of at least one or two things turning up in Australia. Whereas there've been 20 or 30 or so items turned up in Africa, and not a single one come to Australia.

    "Once you start looking in the vicinity of 36 to 32, then 35 is the only option."

    The autopilot settings and the discovery of debris in Africa including a flaperon confirmed to have come from flight MH370 are not the only evidence supporting the theory that the missing plane is in the proposed new search zone, north of the area already searched.

    French satellite images first seen in March 2014, a week or so after the plane disappeared, showed white objects in this same area, at 35S.


    At the time the objects were dismissed as unimportant.

    Other photos had showed similar "blobs" elsewhere in the southern Indian Ocean, many of which were later ruled out as shipping containers, general ocean rubbish or even pods of dolphins. The French photos were also of poor quality, making it almost impossible to see what the objects were.

    But as other evidence began to point further north the results of the CSIRO drift study and the discovery of more debris linked to the missing plane investigators suddenly remembered the satellite images.

    They asked the French for better copies. And only then did they realise the photos were more significant than first thought.

    "When anyone looks at them you think, if they're not bits of plane, what are they? Because for lots of those other objects you can find an explanation, but for these you can't," Dr Griffin said.

    The drift analysis included retrospective calculations to gauge where the objects might have been in the hours after MH370 disappeared. And sure enough, it was around 35S, the new zone where Ocean Infinity is preparing to search.
    When Ocean Infinity reaches its destination next week, it won't be the first time that seabed vessels have searched along the seventh arc at 35S.

    In the weeks after MH370 first disappeared, searchers scoured the ocean floor along the same trajectory from about 32 to 39 degrees south, and found nothing.

    But Dr Griffin says that search was very narrow barely 20 kilometres either side of the arc.
    The new search will scan a wider area. Although evidence including the plane's flaperon, which was found in Tanzania, supports the theory that the aircraft went through a rapid descent once it ran out of fuel and landed close to the "seventh arc".

    Examination of the flaperon indicates it was retracted at the time of impact, debunking the theory that the pilot was still in control and trying to glide the plane as far as possible before it crashed.


    Evidence in a report by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau in late 2016 assessing satellite communications from the plane, known as the Doppler Shift Burst Frequency Offset, is also consistent with a rapid descent and the wreck site being closer to the seventh arc.


    The new search is due to begin next week. To qualify for its multi-million-dollar pay day, Ocean Infinity must find the debris field or the flight recorders within 90 days.


    And even if the plane is found, there may never be a satisfactory explanation for why MH370 disappeared.


    "If they find it, will it be financially viable to bring it up? And even if they did, what information could it give us?" aviation specialist Trevor Jensen said.
    "The flight recorders, the voice recorders, would all be so damaged now."


    MH370: Evidence points to Malaysia Airlines wreck being at 35 degrees south in Indian Ocean - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grampa View Post
    F*ck-an-A.

    Almost 4 years.....
    Let's hope they get to pick up the pings from the black boxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi View Post
    Let's hope they get to pick up the pings from the black boxes.
    Are you terminally stupid or just pathetically obtuse.

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    I think it's very dry humour. He did quote the 4 years...

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    The black boxes batteries have an under sea ocean life of 5 years, manufactured by Toyota!
    World leaders in hybrid batteries. 5 year warranty on the life of Auris battery. 5 Years life warranty for Toyota Prius battery.
    Toyota are the worlds best battery manufacturers.
    Ha Ha they will say when search vessel picks up the black box pings, Ping Ping Ping , then some daft fish bites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    They will be paying 70 mill for the location only. They have stipulated in the contract that they want a fuselage or black box.....not some smaller part like a flaperon.

    Not sure who will be doing the recovery or paying for that.

    And didn't Australia pay a large chunk of the search costs so far ?

    I'm sure some of the 17 "intelligence services" will be chipping in for the sole ownership of the scanned seabed, and other oddities , data sets etc. The contractors always get a good %, until they are no longer useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi View Post
    The black boxes batteries have an under sea ocean life of 5 years, manufactured by Toyota!
    World leaders in hybrid batteries. 5 year warranty on the life of Auris battery. 5 Years life warranty for Toyota Prius battery.
    Toyota are the worlds best battery manufacturers.
    Ha Ha they will say when search vessel picks up the black box pings, Ping Ping Ping , then some daft fish bites.
    So terminally stupid it is then.


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    ...keep googling know all harryswinger and you will see that the battery pack in these black boxes expired a long time before the fateful flight took off, was hijacked, and flown to diego garcia.


    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I'm sure some of the 17 "intelligence services" will be chipping in for the sole ownership of the scanned seabed, and other oddities , data sets etc. The contractors always get a good %, until they are no longer useful.
    Indeed. A nifty excuse for messing around with Chinese and Russian subsea cables lol
    "It's a small place so don't tell porkies"

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I'm sure some of the 17 "intelligence services" will be chipping in for the sole ownership of the scanned seabed, and other oddities , data sets etc. The contractors always get a good %, until they are no longer useful.
    If you mean will they be able to sell their data afterwards, yes. Would have been easier to say that than all the conspiratorial claptrap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patsycat View Post
    I read somewhere that that eedjit Sarah Palin said that it had flown straight to heaven.
    Then satellites should be able to pick up the flight recorder Pings because they are both up in the Milky Way together. Ping

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    ^^ Charlie Brooker has got nothing on my story telling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    ^^ Charlie Brooker has got nothing on my story telling.
    Well at least you're finally admitting it's fiction.


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    Is this another factual news thread. It's so easy to get confused these days. This new site to be investigated, nearer Diago Garcia by any chance?

    Are we on summer time yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    It's so easy to get confused these days.
    Perhaps you're just getting old/dementia/more stupid.

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    ^Answer the question. I've never sailed the Indian ocean so Lats and Longs aren't all that helpful. A map would be super.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    ^Answer the question. I've never sailed the Indian ocean so Lats and Longs aren't all that helpful. A map would be super.
    The 35th Parallel.

    It's between the 34th and the 36th.

    Just go to Google Maps, type in 36th Parallel South and hit "Directions".

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