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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Well, there WAS that piece that looked burnt.
    The piece that wasn't actually burnt and wasn't even linked to the plane you mean?

    MH370 search: Doubts over 'debris burn marks' - BBC News

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    My guess:

    Recommendation Number 1: Don't let anyone be in the cockpit alone (already in place after Germanwings).

    Recommendation Number 2: Must have frequently reporting GPS tracking that cannot be disabled by the pilots.

    Recommendation Number 3: Autorelease Beacon in the event of a crash into water.

    KUALA LUMPUR: The final report on the international investigation into the vanishing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, exactly three years ago on Wednesday (Mar 8) will be issued on Jan 17 next year.

    That date is one year from the announcement of the suspension of the search operations on Jan 17 this year.

    Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai said the final report would also include results of the investigation into the Air Traffic Controller and the Malaysian Defence Ministry.

    "Based on the results of the investigation, the investigation team will submit a detailed report and recommendations to improve industrial safety of the national civil aviation to the stakeholders," he said in a question-and-answer session at the Dewan Rakyat on Wednesday.

    He was replying to a question by Parti Keadilan Rakyat member William Leong Jee Keen, who wanted to know the costs involved in the search for the missing jetliner and full report or data to be released to assist in calling off the search and the conditions required for the search to be resumed.

    Liow said to date, Malaysia had spent a total of RM456 million in its search for the Boeing 777 aircraft.

    He said in the ministerial tripartite meeting with Australia and China on Jul 22, last year, the three countries agreed to the suspension of the search for flight MH370 after the initial search scouring an area of 120,000 sq km failed to locate the missing aircraft.

    However, the search would be reactivated if new credible information and data emerged to determine the aircraft’s exact location.

    Following the suspension of the search operation, the Department of Civil Aviation, on behalf of Malaysia, would continuously monitor new evidence related to flight MH370, said Liow.

    He said the investigation on the missing aircraft was conducted by the international investigation team based on rules established by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO), which also consisted of accredited representatives from the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, China, France, Singapore and Indonesia.

    "Investigations were carried out in a transparent and fair manner in accordance with Annex 13 (Convention on International Civil Aviation, Aircraft Accident and Incident Investigation) where all important information must be shared with accredited representatives.

    Flight MH370 carrying 239 passengers and crew disappeared from the radar while en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on Mar 8, 2014.

    Its final flight path was believed to have ended in the southern Indian Ocean.

    SUSPENSION NOT THE END: LIOW

    Earlier in parliament, Liow had said that the suspension of the search for MH370 was "by no means the end in (the government's) unwavering commitment to find closure" to the tragedy.

    "I wish to reiterate that the aspiration to locate MH370 has not been abandoned and we remain ever hopeful that we will be able to find the answers we seek when the credible evidence becomes available," he said.

    Malaysia Airlines, who held a private remembrance ceremony to mark the anniversary at the KL International Airport on Wednesday, also emphasised in a statement its commitment to keeping family members of MH370 passengers informed of any developments.

    The Department of Civil Aviation has been tasked to lead a response team to handle all matters relating to MH370 following the suspension of the underwater search mission, said Liow.

    - Bernama/CNA/hs
    MH370 final report will be issued next year: Malaysian transport minister - Channel NewsAsia

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    MH370: Researchers claim ‘concrete evidence’ into plane’s location

    9:37pm, Mar 8, 2017 Updated: 9:43pm, Mar 8

    As family members marked the grim, three-year anniversary of the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines MH370 on Wednesday, Western Australian researchers claim to know the location of the crash site.

    Researchers from the University of Western Australia (UWA) believe they have worked out the precise location of the missing Boeing 777, saying the plane is at the northern end of the last identified impact point, before the search was called off in January.

    It comes after a US lawsuit, filed on behalf of the families of 44 people on board the missing plane, blamed manufacturer Boeing for the aircraft’s demise on March 8, 2014, with the deaths of all 239 people on board, including six Australians.

    The UWA crash site has been plotted using a reverse-drift model, which successfully predicted where 18 of the 22 pieces of located Boeing 777 debris were found.

    The model puts MH370 at Longitude 96.5 East, Latitude 32.5 South, within a 40km radius, UWA oceanography professor Charitha Pattiaratchi said, north of the 25,000 square kilometre search area identified by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) last year.



    The debris already located would not have been found if the model had not predicted the plane’s location, Professor Pattiaratchi told The New Daily.

    He claims the research gives authorities the “credible evidence” required to restart the search.

    “My information is based on the oceanography. So when authorities say ‘we want more concrete evidence’, from an oceanography point of view you can’t have more credible evidence,” he said.

    “That’s as good of information as you can get from an oceanography point of view.

    “There is absolutely no doubt about the debris that has been found.”

    The ATSB spent almost two years searching a 120,000sqkm area in the southern Indian Ocean for MH370, an area the UWA model predicted would prove fruitless.

    “As soon as the flaperon (part of the aircraft’s wing) was found, we were saying it was unlikely that the plane went down in the search area at that time,” Professor Pattiaratchi said.

    “The ATSB did not take into account the debris that was found. And despite the flaperon being found on [Reunion Island in] July 2015, it took them until November 2016 – almost 18 months – for them to acknowledge [MH370] is not [located] where they were searching.”

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    In todays Australian paper,they reported that the OZ Transport Safety Bureau has rejected theAustralians Freedom of Information request for copies of statements from a panel of international experts that it says supports its interpretation of satellite tracking data.
    ATSB's general manager of strategic capability said disclosure of the documents "would,
    or could reasonably be expected to,cause damage to the international relations of the commonwealth.
    Seems like not wanting to piss the Malaysians off.

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    It's alright lads, some UFO freak has found it off Cape Town.



    He now fears it could have moved since the picture was taken last July.
    No shit.



    MH370 'FOUND on GOOGLE EARTH' ? ex US Air Force man claims THIS is the missing plane | Weird | News | Express.co.uk

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    MH370....:– the parts and debris found so far.


    1. Flaperon
    Saint André, Réunion Island
    29 July 2015
    The first MH370 part to be identified by French assessors, this large piece of debris was found washed up on the beach on Réunion island by local man Johnny Bègue more than a year after the plane disappeared. The flaperon is a 2.7 metre-long moveable part on the trailing edge of the wing, used to increase drag for takeoff and landing, and to bank the aircraft.

    2. Flap track fairing segment
    Xai Xai, Mozambique
    27 December 2015
    South African teenager Liam Lotter found the metre-long metal piece while holidaying in Mozambique and took it home, but did not realise its significance until some months later.
    The fairing shields the wing flap and reduces drag. Although it was the second fragment to be discovered, it is known as part one because it was the first to be examined by investigators from the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) in Canberra, who ascertained that it was "almost certainly from MH370".

    3. Horizontal stabiliser
    Vilankulo, Mozambique, 28 February 2016
    Confirmed as part two by the Canberra investigators, this piece – discovered on a Mozambique beach by American lawyer Blaine Gibson – has been identified as a horizontal stabiliser panel segment from the right-hand tail section of a Boeing 777.
    Its distinctive stencilling – “NO STEP” – matched that used by Malaysia Airlines, experts concluded, as did a single fastener still attached to the debris.

    4. Engine cowling segment
    Mossel Bay, South Africa, 21 March 2016
    The Rolls-Royce stencilling helped identify this part as a segment from a 777 engine cowling and in particular the adapted style used by Malaysia Airlines.
    Labelled part three by the Canberra team, the piece is accepted to have come from the missing plane, but investigators have not been able to determine if it was attached to the right or left, inboard or outboard engine.
    The 70cm x 70cm chunk was found by South African archaeologist Neels Kruger washed up in Mossel Bay and was handed in to the South African Civil Aviation Authority before being transported to Canberra for tests.

    5. Main cabin interior panel
    Rodrigues Island, Mauritius, 30 March 2016
    The only interior part of the plane yet discovered, this piece, known as part four, was judged by experts to be a panel segment from the main cabin, associated with the Door R1 closet. The laminate was a type used in 777s only by Malaysia Airlines.
    It was found washed up on the shore by Jean Dominique and Suzy Vitry, a couple from Réunion who were holidaying in Rodrigues Island, east of Mauritius.

    6. Wing flap
    Pemba Island, Zanzibar, 23 June 2016
    The large piece of debris was confirmed by Canberra investigators to be "the inboard section of a Boeing 777 right outboard flap". Several part numbers on the metal piece, including a date stamp, proved it had come from MH370. The wing flap is now being examined to determine how it became separated from the wing. It is the sixth confirmed part of the plane to be identified, labelled "part five" by the ATSB.

    Unconfirmed debris – panels
    Sainte-Luce, Madagascar, September 2016
    Two bits of debris, found by a local fisherman in south-east Madagascar and handed to Canberra investigators by independent searcher Blaine Gibson appeared to show signs of exposure to heat or fire at some point. Authorities said there was no evidence that the debris came from MH370 and that dark marks on the surface were caused by resin, not fire.

    from;
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng...s-found-so-far

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    All six identified pieces of MH370 so far found are, reportedly, from the starboard side of the plane, including the engine cowling and door R1 closet panel.

    The only piece of fuselage being one piece of the interior, the R1 door closet panel, a light, easily moved structure. The panel doesn't show much sign of great abrasion, other than it was broken in half, wrenched off it's fastenings and jettisoned.

    No outer panels of the plane's skin surrounding the door have shown up, neither has the door, which presumably, was opened (outwards) after impact, by whoever was onboard piloting, This opened door then allowed the piece of broken panel to exit the fuselage, and drift off with the rest of the debris.

    All the recovered debris is from the starboard wing after a controlled ditching at reasonably low speed, flaps down, which yawed slightly starboard as it ditched, ripping off the starboard wing parts so far found.

    The flaperon found at Reunion Island, after more than a year, showed most evidence of having been immersed for most of that year in an ideal, nutrient rich environment in tropical waters, due to the abundance, size and age, of the barnacle growth found on it.

    One highly likely place to foster that growth is the marine reserve of Pulu Keeling, 11 degrees 50 mins South Lat, around 20 miles due north of West Island, Cocos, out of sight over the horizon from West Island.

    It has a long beach running down its eastern 'weather' coast, 4000 ft, long enough for a bumpy landing,............. with the plane's starboard wing closest to the surf if the pilot approached from the south after circling, and coming in with the wind.


    Where the bits came off the plane, all starboard side.... \/



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    One wonders when the CIA's now admitted ability to hack any piece of computer connected electronic system will become relevant to the disappearance of the plane.

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    Surely that engine cowling segment would not be foam-filled like (presumably) most of the others ? Unless there is a hollow allowing it to float a bit.

    I wonder how a solid piece like that ended up right on the tip of South Africa ? Could be a clue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Surely that engine cowling segment would not be foam-filled like (presumably) most of the others ? Unless there is a hollow allowing it to float a bit.

    I wonder how a solid piece like that ended up right on the tip of South Africa ? Could be a clue.
    The engine cowlings are insulated, so likely buoyant to a degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Surely that engine cowling segment would not be foam-filled like (presumably) most of the others ? Unless there is a hollow allowing it to float a bit.

    I wonder how a solid piece like that ended up right on the tip of South Africa ? Could be a clue.
    Meant to be as light as possible, it's not built to withstand crashes.

    South African archaeologist Neels Kruger told how he found the piece while walking along a lagoon on Monday afternoon.

    “Being an archaeologist I’m always looking for things with my nose to the ground,” said the 35-year-old. He recognised the brown honeycomb structure from photos of other pieces of possible MH370 debris.

    “When I flipped it around, I didn’t know immediately what it was but just thought, ‘Oh my word!’” he told the Associated Press. On the other side, Kruger said, he recognised what appeared to be the remains of the logo of Rolls Royce, which made the engines for the missing Boeing 777 airliner. The piece was about 70cm by 70cm “with chunks gone from the side”, said Kruger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    One wonders when the CIA's now admitted ability to hack any piece of computer connected electronic system will become relevant to the disappearance of the plane.
    I wonder when you will stop being a delusional fantasist.

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    Horses. Stable Door.

    Malaysia Airlines Signs the First-Ever Deal to Track Its Fleet From Space
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    Malaysia Airlines has become the first airline to sign a deal for space-based monitoring of its aircraft's flightpaths. It's a coup for the carrier, which is still reeling from the loss of the missing MH370 three years ago.

    The agreement, signed with three aerospace companies—Aireon, SITAONAIR, and FlightAware—will allow Malaysia Airlines to track its flights via satellite as they cross remote oceans, pass over polar regions, or travel anywhere else in the world Bloomberg reports, citing a press release from Aireon.

    Malaysia Airlines Chief Operating Officer Izham Ismail said in the release: “Real-time global aircraft tracking has long been a goal of the aviation community. We are proud to be the first airline to adopt this solution."

    The location of most international-bound planes can already be monitored via a type of signal periodically broadcast from the aircraft called ADS-B (Automatic Dependent Surveillance Broadcast). These signals can be received by air traffic control ground stations and by other aircraft. They can also be tracked from space. Aireon, which is launching a new satellite network with a company called Iridium Communications (IRDM, +0.49%), expects to complete its space-based monitoring system in 2018.

    However, it is unclear that such a network would have been able to track Malaysia Airline's Flight 370, which disappeared with 239 people aboard on March 8, 2014. Because the plane's location transmission system went dead, the signals that would have been received by a satellite network would not have been broadcast, Bloomberg reports.Although debris from MH370 has washed up onto African beaches and islands in the Indian Ocean, the main wreckage was never found.
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    Funny that multi million dollar aircraft can't be tracked but your postman can.

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    Isn't ignorance bliss?
    It is not your postman that is necessarily tracked and not even the location of your package.
    It is a series of actions or transfer of possession transactions. The last one being you signing at the address/location specified by the sender.

    Yes i am sure aircraft are "signed off" as they transfer from on radar system to another but once out of radar range. Which is line of site. They are invisible. Except for GPS/engine management systems. Which in the case of this aircraft were switched off!
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    That's the key if they want to avoid another incident like this: It must not be able to be turned off by anyone on the plane.

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    The only logical fail-safe system so far proposed, yet still not implemented as far as I know.
    I wonder why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    The only logical fail-safe system so far proposed, yet still not implemented as far as I know.
    I wonder why.
    Cost.

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    I believe each engine has its own system. So Rolls Royce would know where it was if that info didn't have to go through the aircraft's system. If it had Rolls Royce engines.

    Same goes for Komhatsu diggers if anyone has a new-ish one of those.

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    That's already put paid to gangs and their hijacks in NZ since around 2011.

    GPS tracked signals from the machines, so cops are alerted no tonly to their whereabouts bu to the illegal activities gangs operate.

    Articles showing how efficiently the Komtrax system works;

    http://www.komatsu.com.au/AboutKomat...W-ZEALAND.aspx

    https://www.tradeearthmovers.com.au/...avator-thieves

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...shop-discovery
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    MH370: New drift analysis shows plane likely crashed north of the actual search area



    New analysis of a genuine Boeing 777 wing flap has reaffirmed experts' opinion that a missing Malaysian airliner most likely crashed north of the abandoned Indian Ocean search area, officials said today.

    The $160 million search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 ended in January after a deep-sea sonar scan of 120,000 square kilometres of ocean floor southwest of Australia failed to find any trace of the Boeing 777 that vanished with 239 people aboard on March 8, 2014. But research has continued in an effort to refine a possible new search.

    Australian government oceanographers had obtained a wing flap of the same model as the original and studied how that part drifted in the ocean, the Australian Transport safety Bureau said in a statement. Previous drift modelling used inexact replicas.

    The new analysis confirmed findings released in December that the airliner had likely crashed north of the searched area.

    The December findings were based in part on drift analysis of six replicas of a piece of Flight 370 known as a flaperon which was found on Reunion Island in the west Indian Ocean in July 2015.

    David Griffin, an Australian government oceanographer who worked on replica analysis, said the new research confirmed his suspicion that an actual flaperon would drift faster and to the left of the replicas' course.





    MH370 investigators to dump replica wing flaps in ocean to find crash site
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    It supported the December review's findings by a team of international and Australian experts who re-examined all the data used to define the original search zone that the wreckage was most likely within a 25,000-square kilometre area on the northern boundary of the last search zone.

    "We cannot be absolutely certain, but that is where all the evidence we have points us, and this new work leaves us more confident in our findings," Griffin said in a statement.

    The findings add weight to calls of victims' families for governments to resume the search for the airliner that flew far off course during a flight from Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia to Beijing.

    Malaysia, China and Australia have agreed that the search will remain suspended unless new evidence emerges that would pinpoint the plane's exact location.

    Australia has conducted the search on Malaysia's behalf. France is conducting its own investigation and has not handed over the Reunion Island flaperon to the wider investigation.

    - AP

    MH370: New drift analysis shows plane likely crashed north of the actual search area - World - NZ Herald News

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    The powers that be have been saying that for a while, something I'd earlier postulated, but they're keeping tight lipped about how much further north than the latest search area they think the plane came down in.

    I still reckon it came down very close to or in a sheltered nutrient rich lepas anatifera colony area such as an archipelago or set of reefs, the Cocos Isles or further west in or near the Chagos Archipelago, to name two such.

    Time will tell, as information slowly leaks out or a change in oversight protocols occurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    something I'd earlier postulated
    You mean....along with the other 20 things you "postulated", including being flown to Diega Garcia ?

    You turkey.

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    I only had one theory, that the plane was deliberately hijacked and ditched, somewhere in seas warm enough to foster the substantial leptas growth found on ithe retrieved flaperon, implying it's downing was in the vicinity of the Chagos Archipelago or the Cocos Islands.

    You probably don't know that Diego Garcia is near the southernmost tip of the Chagos.

    Your stupid theory of a wheel compartment fire, that you yowled on about incessantly, only caused you to tear out yet another arsehole for yourself, you totally dumb Ocker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    something I'd earlier postulated
    You mean....along with the other 20 things you "postulated", including being flown to Diega Garcia ?

    You turkey.
    Throw enough darts and one will hit the board eh?


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