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    Anyway, it's worth repeating that Malaysian Airlines have not yet released the maintenance schedule for that aircraft and this is highly suspicious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    My friend works for Boeing here in Brisbane. He knows the Wing Commander personally....not from a pub.

    Hypoxic behaviour is not "half-asleep" behaviour. Some people do highly technical climbing whilst semi-hypoxic in the Himalayas. And many come unstuck, but before that they're a lot better than "half asleep".
    I think you're fucking half asleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Anyway, it's worth repeating that Malaysian Airlines have not yet released the maintenance schedule for that aircraft and this is highly suspicious.
    You're definitely half asleep.

    "Its last maintenance "A check" was carried out on 23 February 2014. The aircraft was in compliance with all applicable Airworthiness Directives for the airframe and engines.

    A replenishment of the crew oxygen system was performed on 7 March 2014, a routine maintenance task; an examination of this procedure found nothing unusual."


    You and your mate and his mate are all talking utter fucking shite.

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    As usual.

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    Not shite....my friend who works for Boeing does not follow the ins and outs of the search....too busy. He did once say he thought it was possibly because of a fire in the nose wheel well.

    The retired Wing Commander is a very old man and it seems he is not up to date either.

    I'm just repeating what he said....I don't claim to be an air crash investigator.

    Good link above, btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Not shite....my friend who works for Boeing does not follow the ins and outs of the search....too busy. He did once say he thought it was possibly because of a fire in the nose wheel well.
    Occam's razor.

    If a plane ended up deviating that far from its destination, and used a circuitous route to do so, then it was flown there deliberately.

    Most pilots know this and probably breathed a huge sigh of relief when they brought in the "two people in the cockpit at all times" rule.

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    If you think about it carefully, Occam's Razor probably supports the "hypoxia" theory better than the "deliberate" theory.

    Deliberate action is one step further on from "partial hypoxia and simply trying to get home or somewhere safe, but half mentally debilitated".....because you have to then include a reason.

    Have you never read the many stories about mountaineers making very silly decisions at altitude in the Himalayas ?

    Many died or got severe injuries as a result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Deliberate action is one step further on from "partial hypoxia
    How's that so? The possibility of 'deliberate' action's reduced as hypoxia progresses from mild to severe.

    and simply trying to get home or somewhere safe, but half mentally debilitated".....because you have to then include a reason
    Mental debilitation during onset of hypoxia starts with drowsiness, then euphoria and confusion, so figuring a way home is not a possibility, let alone changing the flight direction.
    Have you never read the many stories about mountaineers making very silly decisions at altitude in the Himalayas ?
    Many died or got severe injuries as a result.
    You've just stated the case against hypoxia being the cause of MH370's disappearance.

    You're clutching at straws.
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    The Australian newspaper ran a report today saying the CSIRO (OZ govt science board)
    did drift modelling analysis of where debris was discovered and said strong evidence that
    the plane is most likely to be located north of the current search area.
    The new area is 25,000sq km,at the northern end of the old 120,000 search area.
    The old area will be done in the next few weeks but it will be up to the Malaysian govt to ok the new area but is thought not to want to search any more and the OZ govt said international protocols for plane recovery means Malaysia will continue to take the central
    role in the determination of any future course of action.
    Seeing the Chinese pissed off home when sprung doing spying instead of searching and the Malaysians not wanting the plane found because it would show it was hi-jacked by a
    pilot,the news is not looking good,but a lot of lobbying is going on so the OZ govt may
    search the new area anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reddog
    The Australian newspaper ran a report today saying the CSIRO (OZ govt science board)
    did drift modelling analysis of where debris was discovered and said strong evidence that
    the plane is most likely to be located north of the current search area.
    Drift modelling involved some wood boxes floating off the coast of Tasmania.

    Same guy Griffen did a report in May 2015 for the CSRIO, saying the currents were circular and any wreckage was unlikely to come ashore.

    So a simple question remains, could the wreckage have come from other places and the answer is yes, so no new evidence just a rehash of old data and how fast a wooden box moves off the coast of Tasmania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by reddog
    The Australian newspaper ran a report today saying the CSIRO (OZ govt science board)
    did drift modelling analysis of where debris was discovered and said strong evidence that
    the plane is most likely to be located north of the current search area.
    Drift modelling involved some wood boxes floating off the coast of Tasmania.

    Same guy Griffen did a report in May 2015 for the CSRIO, saying the currents were circular and any wreckage was unlikely to come ashore.

    So a simple question remains, could the wreckage have come from other places and the answer is yes, so no new evidence just a rehash of old data and how fast a wooden box moves off the coast of Tasmania.
    I see you are spouting your usual nonsense, and I'd suggest you read the report in Post #3524. It involves slightly more than "how fast a wooden box moves".

    Finding identifiable debris did offer data that was previously unavailable, and by using drift modelling they can better guess the source. However there are still huge variables for floating debris, not least two years of weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    If you think about it carefully, Occam's Razor probably supports the "hypoxia" theory better than the "deliberate" theory.
    No it most certainly doesn't.

    The evidence shows the aircraft was carefully piloted to the Indian Ocean on a route that minimised the chances of detection. This after the Aircraft's Transponder was turned off and all radio communications ceased. One thinks if the "hypoxic" pilot was capable enough to turn off the transponder he was probably capable enough to sing the Eton Boating song into the radio when people were calling him.

    I'm beginning to think you need more oxygen.

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    From the original report, May 2015.

    CSIRO oceanographer David Griffin, who leads a task force to determine debris movements from the missing plane, told AFR Weekend the tidal movements in the search zone and the abundance of rubbish in the ocean, made the task problematic.

    In the search zone, west of Perth, tidal movements were likely to "stir" debris in circular movements, where they might not reach land, Mr Griffin said.

    This contrasted with the east-west/west-east movements nearer the equator, he said.

    Are you saying that they knew they were searching in the wrong place after finding the flap, but disregarded the find.





    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    The evidence shows the aircraft was carefully piloted to the Indian Ocean on a route that minimised the chances of detection
    What evidence, there is absolutely nothing in the way of evidence, that is what happened.

    In fact flying over a joint air defense base [Butterworth] would be the last place you would go to avoid detection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    What evidence, there is absolutely nothing in the way of evidence, that is what happened.
    Oh yeah, the plane flew itself along this trajectory, did it?



    In fact flying over a joint air defense base [Butterworth] would be the last place you would go to avoid detection.
    Unless you knew every fucker would be asleep.

    You've been listening to Jeff Wise again, haven't you?

    Four days after MH370 disappeared, it became evident that the RMAF air defense system had failed to identify and track MH370 in real time, causing authorities to limit the search to the South China Sea until then.

    Selex and predecessor company Alenia Marconi Systems supplied the radars. They have supplied five of the six RMAF air defense radars, and most of Malaysia’s ATC radars, radios and control centers. To supply the ATC equipment, Selex Systemi Integrati has participated in a joint-venture partnership with Malaysian company Advanced Air Traffic Systems (AAT) since 1994.

    The crucial last radar traces of what is said to be MH370 were recorded by the relatively modern RAT-31DL radar on Penang, controlled by RMAF personnel at nearby Butterworth airbase on the mainland. From replayed recordings, investigators have concluded that MH370 headed northwest toward waypoints Vampi and Mekar, which lie at the limit of the Penang radar’s range. Azharuddin said at LIMA that neighboring nations “have confirmed from their radar that MH370 did not fly over their airspace.” When queried by AIN how he could assert that with any certainty, given the poor performance of Malaysia’s own radar operators, the DCA director-general declined to comment.
    New MH370 Report Reveals Radar, Procedural Failings | Air Transport News: Aviation International News

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    And so it becomes the Marie Celeste of our generation....

    Malaysia Airlines flight MH370: underwater search called off

    The search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has come to an end with passengers’ families being informed that the effort to find the plane has been suspended.

    Next of kin were told in an emailed statement on Tuesday that Australian authorities’ underwater search of 120,000 sq km in the southern Indian ocean had concluded without success.

    The search had been ongoing for more than two years.

    The MH370 Tripartite Joint Communiqué seen by the Guardian was co-signed by the transport ministers of Malaysia, China and Australia, representing the three countries involved in the search. It was made public at 2pm Malaysia time.

    “Today the last search vessel has left the underwater search area. Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has not been located in the 120,000 square-kilometre underwater search area in the southern Indian Ocean,” it read.

    “Despite every effort using the best science available, cutting edge technology, as well as modelling and advice from highly skilled professionals who are the best in their field, unfortunately, the search has not been able to locate the aircraft.

    “The decision to suspend the underwater search has not been taken lightly nor without sadness.”

    Flight MH370 disappeared on 8 March 2014, vanishing from radar shortly after take-off from Kuala Lumpar en route to Beijing. The plane is believed to have crashed in the Indian Ocean, claiming the lives of all 239 crew and passengers on board.

    The announcement comes six weeks out from the third anniversary of the plane’s disappearance, with the underwater search effort led by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau in the so-called “seventh arc” since October 2014 concluding without success.

    At a tripartite meeting in July 2016, the three transport ministers had acknowledged the “diminishing” likelihood of finding the plane. If the full 120,000 sq km area was searched without success, the effort was to “not end, but be suspended” indefinitely, they said – reiterating the earlier resolution made in April 2015.

    In December, the ATSB said they had a “high degree of confidence” that the wreck would not be found in the tranche of Indian ocean originally pinpointed, instead highlighting a new area of approximately 25,000 sq km – between latitudes 33 degrees south and 36 degrees south – as “the area with the highest probability of containing the wreckage of the aircraft”.

    The tripartite statement said Tuesday’s announcement was consistent with its decision made in July 2016.

    “Whilst combined scientific studies have continued to refine areas of probability, to date no new information has been discovered to determine the specific location of the aircraft.”

    The flight was carrying 152 Chinese nationals and 50 from Malaysia, as well as passengers from Australia, Canada, France, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Iran, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Russia, Taiwan, Ukraine and the United States.

    Chandrika Sharma, of Chennai in India, was among the 239 people on board MH370.

    “This decision appears premeditated and a betrayal of the commitment to the families and the public that the governments are committed to the search,” K S Narendran, her husband of 25 years, told the Guardian.

    “It must also come as a blow to all this who have worked tirelessly to find answers and find the plane.”

    A series of “pings” from what was believed to be one of the black boxes from the plane initially narrowed the search zone to a smaller region of the Indian Ocean. Australia’s then prime minister Tony Abbott and Malaysian transport minister Hishammuddin Hussein both suggested the plane was close to discovery weeks after the crash.

    But the hunt for the plane quickly became one of the world’s greatest aviation mysteries after a lengthy aerial search yielded no results.

    Following the exhaustive aerial survey, the search for the missing plane had a fourth-month hiatus while experts mapped the part of the ocean where the plane was believed to have crashed.

    In October 2014 the Australian Transport Safety Bureau began a new phase for the search for MH370, an underwater search effort of 120,000 sq km of the Indian ocean floor.

    The search has been a multimillion-dollar effort on the parts of Australia, Malaysia and China. The operation is believed to have cost around AU$180m, paid for by Australia and Malaysia. China donated AU$20m in funding and equipment.

    Progress was frustrated by difficulties in reaching the search zone and the largely uncharted part of the Indian Ocean it was believed to have crashed in. The final 20,000 sq km in particular were delayed by poor weather conditions throughout 2016.

    But investigators remained optimistic, with Martin Dolan, the head of the ATSB, expressing confidence in March 2016, the two-year anniversary of its disappearance, that the plane would be found within that 120,000 sq km area.

    In July 2015 authorities had a breakthrough in the search, when they found debris on the island of Réunion that was later confirmed to be a flaperon from the flight.

    Several more pieces of debris were confirmed to have come from MH370, including a wing flap found on an island off the coast of Tanzania in June and sent to Canberra for analysis that was found to be from a Boeing 777.

    Investigators say the failure to find the wreckage does not mean all search efforts will end. But those seeking answers for the disappearance of the plane – and those on board – now face the prospect that the fate of MH370 might never be known.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rch-called-off

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    Well at some point, sooner or later, you've just got to throw your hands up say "well fucked if I know", and go home.

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    From the beginning I said that they where not going to find the plane.
    It just won't be found in my lifetime, like everybody else I would like to know what really took place.

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    Searching the wrong area and asking the wrong questions won't find the plane.

    All debris evidence so far points to the plane being ditched somewhere far further north and west of where the Oz search was focused.

    Now that Oz has decided to give up on that particular hopeless search for a red herring a more realistic and plausible search area may be suggested.

    The story's not over yet.

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    It's all about the money innit.

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    Incredible as it may seem...Someone may "stumble" upon it years from now...

    Here in the wild west there are still planes down that they haven't found, I believe...

    Hard to imagine when you know the basic flight plan, but the terrain is "impossible," I suppose...

    And Okanagan Lake is famous for not "giving up its dead"...Sounds like Lightfoot's Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald:

    "Superior, they said, never gives up her dead
    When the gales of November come early"...

    Lost a couple of friends decades ago in Okanagan Lake, home of the famous Ogopogo, the lake monster...Never found their bodies...And there are many more...

    The lake is only 81 miles long and 1 mile wide...Between "small mountains"...

    Sometimes, the pieces are as hard to find as a body in the deserts of Nevada...

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    The only ones who will be happy about it will be the pilots family. Without a suicide verdict, they can get the insurance.

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    The Cocos Islands are another possible landing place for MH370.

    It has a long enough landing strip and is on the assumed flight path INMARSAT indicated, just a little north-west of the Oz search area.

    The barnacles found on the retrieved wing parts are of the same genus as those found around the Cocos islands.

    Ocean currents would carry any debris from there across to East Africa and down to

    Madagascar, Mauritius, Reunion and Rodrigues island.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    The Cocos Islands are another possible landing place for MH370.

    It has a long enough landing strip and is on the assumed flight path INMARSAT indicated, just a little north-west of the Oz search area.

    The barnacles found on the retrieved wing parts are of the same genus as those found around the Cocos islands.

    Ocean currents would carry any debris from there across to East Africa and down to

    Madagascar, Mauritius, Reunion and Rodrigues island.
    Oh FFS off he goes again...


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    It has landed on an island and if not this one then that one.
    And they took off the flapperon and threw it in the sea.

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    Pair of nutters.

    Anyway, it looks like MAS are outsourcing it to the Private Sector on a "No find, No fee" basis.

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