Thread: The Ignorance and fear of Islam

How Islamic inventors changed the world
From coffee to cheques and the three-course meal, the Muslim world has given us many innovations that we take for granted in daily life.

The story goes that an Arab named Khalid was tending his goats in the Kaffa region of southern Ethiopia, when he noticed his animals became livelier after eating a certain berry. He boiled the berries to make the first coffee

2 The ancient Greeks thought our eyes emitted rays, like a laser, which enabled us to see. The first person to realise that light enters the eye, rather than leaving it, was the 10th-century Muslim mathematician, astronomer and physicist Ibn al-Haitham. He invented the first pin-hole camera after noticing the way light came through a hole in window shutters.

3 A form of chess was played in ancient India but the game was developed into the form we know it today in Persia.

6 Distillation, the means of separating liquids through differences in their boiling points, was invented around the year 800 by Islam's foremost scientist, Jabir ibn Hayyan, who transformed alchemy into chemistry, inventing many of the basic processes and apparatus still in use today - liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. As well as discovering sulphuric and nitric acid, he invented the alembic still, giving the world intense rosewater and other perfumes and alcoholic spirits (although drinking them is haram, or forbidden, in Islam). Ibn Hayyan emphasised systematic experimentation and was the founder of modern chemistry.

7 The crank-shaft is a device which translates rotary into linear motion and is central to much of the machinery in the modern world, not least the internal combustion engine. One of the most important mechanical inventions in the history of humankind, it was created by an ingenious Muslim engineer called al-Jazari to raise water for irrigation. His 1206 Book of Knowledge of Ingenious Mechanical Devices shows he also invented or refined the use of valves and pistons, devised some of the first mechanical clocks driven by water and weights, and was the father of robotics. Among his 50 other inventions was the combination lock.

9 The pointed arch so characteristic of Europe's Gothic cathedrals was an invention borrowed from Islamic architecture. It was much stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and Normans, thus allowing the building of bigger, higher, more complex and grander buildings. Other borrowings from Muslim genius included ribbed vaulting, rose windows and dome-building techniques. Europe's castles were also adapted to copy the Islamic world's - with arrow slits, battlements, a barbican and parapets. Square towers and keeps gave way to more easily defended round ones. Henry V's castle architect was a Muslim.

10 Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as those devised in the 10th century by a Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi. His scalpels, bone saws, forceps, fine scissors for eye surgery and many of the 200 instruments he devised are recognisable to a modern surgeon

11 The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph and was used to grind corn and draw up water for irrigation.

12 The technique of inoculation was not invented by Jenner and Pasteur but was devised in the Muslim world and brought to Europe from Turkey by the wife of the English ambassador to Istanbul in 1724.

13 The fountain pen was invented for the Sultan of Egypt in 953 after he demanded a pen which would not stain his hands or clothes.

14 The system of numbering in use all round the world is probably Indian in origin but the style of the numerals is Arabic and first appears in print in the work of the Muslim mathematicians al-Khwarizmi and al-Kindi around 825. Algebra was named after al-Khwarizmi's book, Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah, much of whose contents are still in use. The work of Muslim maths scholars was imported into Europe 300 years later by the Italian mathematician Fibonacci. Algorithms and much of the theory of trigonometry came from the Muslim world. And Al-Kindi's discovery of frequency analysis rendered all the codes of the ancient world soluble and created the basis of modern cryptology.

15 Ali ibn Nafi, known by his nickname of Ziryab (Blackbird) came from Iraq to Cordoba in the 9th century and brought with him the concept of the three-course meal - soup, followed by fish or meat, then fruit and nuts.

18 By the 9th century, many Muslim scholars took it for granted that the Earth was a sphere. The proof, said astronomer Ibn Hazm, "is that the Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on Earth". It was 500 years before that realisation dawned on Galileo. The calculations of Muslim astronomers were so accurate that in the 9th century they reckoned the Earth's circumference to be 40,253.4km - less than 200km out. The scholar al-Idrisi took a globe depicting the world to the court of King Roger of Sicily in 1139.

19 Though the Chinese invented saltpetre gunpowder, and used it in their fireworks, it was the Arabs who worked out that it could be purified using potassium nitrate for military use. Muslim incendiary devices terrified the Crusaders.
How Islamic inventors changed the world - Science - News - The Independent

Originally Posted by ENT

They contracted work from Solomon in building the first temple in Israel and were the navigators recorded to have first sailed around Africa on Necho's request.

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Solomon? So you are quoting the Bible here as historical fact?? Not sure where else you could come up with that info. The story about Necho sending the Phoenicians around Africa comes from Herodotus and is doubted by various Egyptologists and many ancient Greek scribes.

Originally Posted by ENT

Sure, if you regard all Xtians as tarred with the same brush as proselytizing fundamentalists, such as exist in mid-America and other countries, your logic will be skewed and you could even then exterpolate to include all whites as rabid Xtians, which they obviously are not.

Substitute Muslims for Xtians.

Well done, you do 'get' it.

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by RickThai

It is true that European Christians killed for their religion . . . 600 years ago. Fortunately, as civilization progressed it became apparent that killing people because of "infractions" of your particular "bible" was not a Christian thing to do (pun intended). A long time ago, women were put to death as "witches" in accordance with "Thy shall not suffer a wicth to live."

Too bad, so many muslims haven't improved their mindsets in over a thousand years.
Maybe its because so many of the men are pedophiles who dream about all the pre-teen girls they will get when they die a martyr?

RickThai

Nonsense. Witch burnings continued in Europe and the Americas until the 19th century. In Africa, until today. It's no coincidence that the most brutal country of the world today, with the most homicides, crimes, rapes, pedophiles, genital mutilations is a Christian one, South Africa. No coincidence that this pious Christian country is the only one that resorted to some kind of religious homoeopathy to treat HIV/AIDS, with horrific results.

Not to mention your own silly religion. It is Buddhist countries, not Islamic ones were little girls are married to elderly men, and forced to sex. We had a thread on this not long ago, the world's youngest mothers from Thailand and Burma. Not even ten years old. Disgusting indeed.

South Africa a pious Xtian country?

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by ENT

They contracted work from Solomon in building the first temple in Israel and were the navigators recorded to have first sailed around Africa on Necho's request.

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Solomon? So you are quoting the Bible here as historical fact?? Not sure where else you could come up with that info. The story about Necho sending the Phoenicians around Africa comes from Herodotus and is doubted by various Egyptologists and many ancient Greek scribes.

As a non-historian, you can say that.

As a historian or archaeologist/anthropologist a person would read and explore further than political dogma.

You may discount Biblical information as a total load of bull, or i9f you're a discerning thinker, you may enquire further into Biblical assertions and discover some historical facts pertaining to that treatise, and find supporting evidences to Biblical claims that have foundations in forensic archaeology.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by RickThai

It is true that European Christians killed for their religion . . . 600 years ago. Fortunately, as civilization progressed it became apparent that killing people because of "infractions" of your particular "bible" was not a Christian thing to do (pun intended). A long time ago, women were put to death as "witches" in accordance with "Thy shall not suffer a wicth to live."

Too bad, so many muslims haven't improved their mindsets in over a thousand years.
Maybe its because so many of the men are pedophiles who dream about all the pre-teen girls they will get when they die a martyr?

RickThai

Nonsense. Witch burnings continued in Europe and the Americas until the 19th century. In Africa, until today. It's no coincidence that the most brutal country of the world today, with the most homicides, crimes, rapes, pedophiles, genital mutilations is a Christian one, South Africa. No coincidence that this pious Christian country is the only one that resorted to some kind of religious homoeopathy to treat HIV/AIDS, with horrific results.

Not to mention your own silly religion. It is Buddhist countries, not Islamic ones were little girls are married to elderly men, and forced to sex. We had a thread on this not long ago, the world's youngest mothers from Thailand and Burma. Not even ten years old. Disgusting indeed.

South Africa a pious Xtian country?

80% of the population is quite a majority. Lets have a look at other countries in this range or higher, in central and south America. El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala, Colombia, Mexico. Genocides, civils wars for decades, death squads criss-crossing the countries. The drug wars in Mexico claimed more lifes than the 'civil war' in Syria, beheadings and mutilations occur almost daily. Poor Muslims, mere apprentices in the terror business.

Originally Posted by sabang

How Islamic inventors changed the world
From coffee to cheques and the three-course meal, the Muslim world has given us many innovations that we take for granted in daily life.

The story goes that an Arab named Khalid was tending his goats in the Kaffa region of southern Ethiopia, when he noticed his animals became livelier after eating a certain berry. He boiled the berries to make the first coffee

2 The ancient Greeks thought our eyes emitted rays, like a laser, which enabled us to see. The first person to realise that light enters the eye, rather than leaving it, was the 10th-century Muslim mathematician, astronomer and physicist Ibn al-Haitham. He invented the first pin-hole camera after noticing the way light came through a hole in window shutters.

3 A form of chess was played in ancient India but the game was developed into the form we know it today in Persia.

6 Distillation, the means of separating liquids through differences in their boiling points, was invented around the year 800 by Islam's foremost scientist, Jabir ibn Hayyan, who transformed alchemy into chemistry, inventing many of the basic processes and apparatus still in use today - liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. As well as discovering sulphuric and nitric acid, he invented the alembic still, giving the world intense rosewater and other perfumes and alcoholic spirits (although drinking them is haram, or forbidden, in Islam). Ibn Hayyan emphasised systematic experimentation and was the founder of modern chemistry.

7 The crank-shaft is a device which translates rotary into linear motion and is central to much of the machinery in the modern world, not least the internal combustion engine. One of the most important mechanical inventions in the history of humankind, it was created by an ingenious Muslim engineer called al-Jazari to raise water for irrigation. His 1206 Book of Knowledge of Ingenious Mechanical Devices shows he also invented or refined the use of valves and pistons, devised some of the first mechanical clocks driven by water and weights, and was the father of robotics. Among his 50 other inventions was the combination lock.

9 The pointed arch so characteristic of Europe's Gothic cathedrals was an invention borrowed from Islamic architecture. It was much stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and Normans, thus allowing the building of bigger, higher, more complex and grander buildings. Other borrowings from Muslim genius included ribbed vaulting, rose windows and dome-building techniques. Europe's castles were also adapted to copy the Islamic world's - with arrow slits, battlements, a barbican and parapets. Square towers and keeps gave way to more easily defended round ones. Henry V's castle architect was a Muslim.

10 Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as those devised in the 10th century by a Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi. His scalpels, bone saws, forceps, fine scissors for eye surgery and many of the 200 instruments he devised are recognisable to a modern surgeon

11 The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph and was used to grind corn and draw up water for irrigation.

12 The technique of inoculation was not invented by Jenner and Pasteur but was devised in the Muslim world and brought to Europe from Turkey by the wife of the English ambassador to Istanbul in 1724.

13 The fountain pen was invented for the Sultan of Egypt in 953 after he demanded a pen which would not stain his hands or clothes.

14 The system of numbering in use all round the world is probably Indian in origin but the style of the numerals is Arabic and first appears in print in the work of the Muslim mathematicians al-Khwarizmi and al-Kindi around 825. Algebra was named after al-Khwarizmi's book, Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah, much of whose contents are still in use. The work of Muslim maths scholars was imported into Europe 300 years later by the Italian mathematician Fibonacci. Algorithms and much of the theory of trigonometry came from the Muslim world. And Al-Kindi's discovery of frequency analysis rendered all the codes of the ancient world soluble and created the basis of modern cryptology.

15 Ali ibn Nafi, known by his nickname of Ziryab (Blackbird) came from Iraq to Cordoba in the 9th century and brought with him the concept of the three-course meal - soup, followed by fish or meat, then fruit and nuts.

18 By the 9th century, many Muslim scholars took it for granted that the Earth was a sphere. The proof, said astronomer Ibn Hazm, "is that the Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on Earth". It was 500 years before that realisation dawned on Galileo. The calculations of Muslim astronomers were so accurate that in the 9th century they reckoned the Earth's circumference to be 40,253.4km - less than 200km out. The scholar al-Idrisi took a globe depicting the world to the court of King Roger of Sicily in 1139.

19 Though the Chinese invented saltpetre gunpowder, and used it in their fireworks, it was the Arabs who worked out that it could be purified using potassium nitrate for military use. Muslim incendiary devices terrified the Crusaders.
How Islamic inventors changed the world - Science - News - The Independent

Interesting points in your post, but several points deleted by you.
Why, were they invalid? Probably.

Point #1. OK, an Arab exploitation of an ethnically common African drug.
point #2;
Pinhole camera.
Aristotle, 330 BC observed reverse images via a pinhole. Arabs later developed the observation.

The camera wasn't invented until the 1800s

#3
Chess originated in Persia/ Central Asia,....not an Arab or Muslim invention

#6 Distillation
Invented by the first potters, Central Eurasian cattle herders around 7,000 years ago as milk fermented, also curd and cheese culture arose about the same trime.
Even today, a simple still is used among Nepali where a brew of grains is heated in a pot, the pot heated to cause evaporation of alcohol which condenses on the underside of a cap/lid above the brew, the alcohol dripping down to a central saucer inside the brew pot, then consumed through a straw pipe inserted into the brew chamber.

The drink is called chang, it's as old as the hills, pre-Arab, non-Muslim in origin.

#7 The binder-reaper, worked off a crank-shaft the first used by Scythians, circa 500 BC.

#9. The pointed arch was first noted in archaeology as common to Phoenician architecture, 2,000 BC.

#10. Surgical instruments of obsidian were used by S.American Inca as wel as Egyptians, skulls as old as 3,000 years show evidence of trepanning, the cutting of circular holes through human skulls to relieve internal pressure in the head.

#11 Windmills were in use along with the Archemedes screw pump well before 4,000 years ago in Persia and Greece, both non-Muslim areas.

#12 No argument, your assertion is possibly correct, but not necessarily probable.

#13 No argument.

#14. Total bollix re. use of numbers and trigonometry, as both the pyramids and stonehenge and other celestial stone circle markers predate any Muslim or Arabic mathematics by at least 4,000 years.

Neanderthal devised the first mathematical forms existing and exemplified in geometry by forming the first bi-facially cut stone tools around 80,000 years ago.

Euclidian mathematics, promoted by the Greeks, was based on the same mathematics that Stonehenge was erected by, way before the pyramids arose, all a long time before Arabs or Muslims started kicking around.

#14 Fountain pen invented by Muslims?
Forget it, no evidence exists.

#15 The three course meal Call that a superior "invention"?

Tell ya what mate, so is a gobble.

#18. The world was already regarded as a sphere during the time of the Greek, Ptolemy , around 600 years before Arabs and Islam got started.

#19, no argument, the Arabs refined the process to a degree, but no further, and no Muslims were involved.

Anyway, thanks for your contribution, Sabang, even if it was all lifted (minus a few points ) from
Islamic Inventions? How Islamic Inventors Did Not Change The World - WikiIslam

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by RickThai

It is true that European Christians killed for their religion . . . 600 years ago. Fortunately, as civilization progressed it became apparent that killing people because of "infractions" of your particular "bible" was not a Christian thing to do (pun intended). A long time ago, women were put to death as "witches" in accordance with "Thy shall not suffer a wicth to live."

Too bad, so many muslims haven't improved their mindsets in over a thousand years.
Maybe its because so many of the men are pedophiles who dream about all the pre-teen girls they will get when they die a martyr?

RickThai

Nonsense. Witch burnings continued in Europe and the Americas until the 19th century. In Africa, until today. It's no coincidence that the most brutal country of the world today, with the most homicides, crimes, rapes, pedophiles, genital mutilations is a Christian one, South Africa. No coincidence that this pious Christian country is the only one that resorted to some kind of religious homoeopathy to treat HIV/AIDS, with horrific results.

Not to mention your own silly religion. It is Buddhist countries, not Islamic ones were little girls are married to elderly men, and forced to sex. We had a thread on this not long ago, the world's youngest mothers from Thailand and Burma. Not even ten years old. Disgusting indeed.

South Africa a pious Xtian country?

80% of the population is quite a majority. Lets have a look at other countries in this range or higher, in central and south America. El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala, Colombia, Mexico. Genocides, civils wars for decades, death squads criss-crossing the countries. The drug wars in Mexico claimed more lifes than the 'civil war' in Syria, beheadings and mutilations occur almost daily. Poor Muslims, mere apprentices in the terror business.

Oh well, I suppose they can call themselves that, but there;s nothing remotely Xtian in much of S.Africa.

We get the same thing in the Pacific, where the Tongans, Samoans and Maoris go to church, have a great singalong and and an emotionally rousing fear loaded speech from some rabble rousing priest or other, and all walk out feeling holier than thou! Fer fek's sake!!

They iz not any Xtians, following in the footsteps of a man called Jesus, they iz a bunch of divisionists, trying to sell their version of reality as top dollar stuff.

Capitalist b*star*ds!

Nominally, all those folk are Xtian, same in Indonesia, a lot of folk there are nominally Muslim, out of fear of persecution.

Organized religion is a load of bollix.

On a more serious note, for that kind of money I'd hate to be its rear end.

Record deal: Goat sold for SR13m in Saudi - Emirates 24/7

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Aleppo is in Syria, isn't it? And the rebels are financed and armed, and shipped to Syria by the US, Israel, and their conservative Arabs allies, aren't they? Spare yourself the crocodile tears.

You write "aren't they/" is that a question or a statement of fact? Any chance of a credible link to show as to just where Israel are involved in financing the rebels ?

Originally Posted by ENT

Aristotle, 330 BC observed reverse images via a pinhole.

and how do you know about what Aristotle observed? I will tell you..Muslims translated it and reintroduced it into Europe because before them all his works were lost to Europe. Score one for the Muslims.

Another very visually striking example of this mindset which acknowledged that Europe rediscovered it's own past through it's ties with Arab and Islamic cultures can be seen in the pages of a deluxe edition of another book that was printed in Venice in 1484. The book is Aristotle's Works. The Latin text incorporates Aristotle's philosophical works as well as commentaries to his works by leading Arab philosophers. Both the Works and the commentaries were sourced from Arabic translations by Gerard of Cremona, a prolific 12th century translator who worked in the translation schools of Toledo. This very lavishly illuminated book had each page of text framed with lush painted scenes. At the top of the page is painted Aristotle sitting on a rock debating with a turbaned scholar. This turbaned scholar is none other than Avarroes or Ibn Rushd. European scholars of the time regarded the Muslim Avarroes as the translator and interpreter of Aristotle par excellence. They referred to him as "the mind of Aristotle incarnate" and no one in Europe at the time felt his equal.

Here you go ENT..learn something.

Do you remember the numerous airstrikes of Israel against Assad's forces earlier this year? They don't only finance and arm Muslim terrorists, they assist them by direct intervention.

Great pre-islamic regional civilisations (ie from the areas where islam originated, first expanded, and is the predominant religion today) :-

Sumerian civilisation
Indus Valley civilisation
Babylonian civilisation
Persian & Medean civilisation(s)
Egyptian civilisation

None of the above are either Islamic or Arab.


Early Civilizations (3000-1500 BC)

Evidence for fairly sophisticated political and social organization has been identified in Mesopotamia as long ago as 4700 BC; but most of the post-Neolithic societies that we consider 'civilizations' are dated beginning just about 3000 BC.

Mesopotamia 4700-600 BC
Harappan/Indus Valley 3200-1900 BC
Minoan 2600-1100 BC
Caral Supe/Norte Chico 2600-1500 BC
Old Kingdom Egypt 2575-2134 BC
Longshan Culture 2500-1900 BC
Dilmun Culture 2200-1800 BC
Middle Kingdom Egypt 2040-1640 BC
Shang Dynasty 1700-1050 BC
Mycenaean 1700-1100 BC
Kush Kingdom 1700-1500 BC
New Kingdom Egypt 1550-1070 BC
Human History - Archaeological Guide to Human History

History for me is quite boring , I would sooner point out what is happening in the present , like this little article from Iraq yesterday were the "religion of peace" were busy blowing each other to shreds , no doubt there will be another instance along in a couple of days , if not in Iraq it will be some where else in the Islamic's Utopian World BBC News - Iraq violence: Deadly bomb attack on Baquba mosque

With over 5,000 people killed this year and 800 in August alone in Islamic sectarian warfare in Iraq , you just cannot beat Irrefutable facts, it saves all that looking at silly history books of what happened thousands of years ago as if it has any bearing whatsoever on the present any how , the BBC and other news agency's world wide give you the up to date death scores concerning the religion of tolerance ,no need to look at all the so called anti Islamic web sights who some appear to believe they are spreading a pack of total fabrications the facts are there right before your very eyes

Awful stuff, innit. How do they compare to WW1, WW2, Hispaniola genocide, Vietnam/ Indochinese war, Napoleonic campaigns, Rwandan genocide, Chinese & Russian revolutions, Hundred years war etc in the human killing stakes? Oh right, nowhere near. Guess we must possess superior technology, after all.

The Rwandan genocide is quite unique in modern history though- because it was mostly carried out by machete. yikes.

Originally Posted by sabang

Awful stuff, innit. How do they compare to WW1, WW2, Hispaniola genocide, Vietnam/ Indochinese war, Napoleonic campaigns, Rwandan genocide, Chinese & Russian revolutions, Hundred years war etc in the human killing stakes? Oh right, nowhere near. Guess we must possess superior technology, after all.

The Rwandan genocide is quite unique in modern history though- because it was mostly carried out by machete. yikes.

I am writing about today and for sure the future, can you inform me were any where else in the World a similar war is taking place with the various Christian factions in the name of their religion ?

History of monotheistic religion, in chronological order-

1- Zoroastrianism
2- Judaism
3- Christianity
4- Islam
5- Bahai

OMG- they all originated from the Middle East!!! What an important part of the world it has been in cultural, technological & scientific, civilisational and religious terms. Is there anything important that did not originate there? (Hint- China)

Bladdy ragheads.

Originally Posted by sabang

OMG- they all originated from the Middle East!!!

As did much of what the Greeks did.

Another article of fact gets the chop!