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    US slaughtered chicken sent to China then back

    Now, chickens can be slaughtered in the US, sent to china for "processing" and then sent back / re-exported to the US for us to eat. But at these Chinese processing plants there are no USDA inspectors.

    No need to add more. Just use your imagination.

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    Would you willingly eat a chicken nuggets processed in a country that has no intention of meeting U.S. food-safety standards? Most Americans likely wouldn't.

    That may explain why the U.S. Department of Agriculture waited until Friday -- the day before a long holiday weekend -- to announce that it had ended a ban on Chinese chicken imports by approving four Chinese poultry processors to ship processed ("heat-treated/cooked") chicken to the U.S. The report on the approved poultry plants noted that the audit set out to "to determine whether the People's Republic of China's (PRC) food safety system governing poultry processing remains equivalent to that of the United States (U.S.), with the ability to produce products that are safe, wholesome, unadulterated, and properly labeled." Needless to say, the Chinese plants passed.

    Initially, at least, the chickens will be slaughtered in the U.S. (or another nation that's allowed to export slaughtered chicken to the U.S.), then shipped to China for processing and re-export. That's the good news. The bad news is that, according to the New York Times, no USDA inspectors will be present in the Chinese processing plants (despite the fact that China has never before been allowed to export chicken to the U.S.), thus offering consumers no guarantees where the processed chickens were in fact slaughtered.
    Even worse, because the birds will be processed, the USDA will not require point-of-origin labeling (under USDA rules, foods that have been cooked aren't subject to point-of-origin labeling). In other words: Consumers will have no way to tell if those chicken nuggets in the supermarket freezer were processed in the U.S. or in China.

    That's a big problem. For more than a decade, China has earned a reputation as one of the world's worst food-safety offenders. In just the last year, consumers have been confronted with a bird flu outbreak, news of sales of 46-year-old chicken feet and reports of poisonous fake mutton. These are not isolated incidents, but rather the most spectacular instances of a crisis that has become so severe that some consumers now smuggle quantities of infant milk formula from foreign countries into China so as to avoid buying potentially tainted Chinese dairy products.

    The Chinese government, sensitive to people's beliefs that it isn't doing enough to protect their food supply, has made a point of regular, ineffective crackdowns on food-safety violators. Yet in July, when a senior Chinese policy maker involved in developing new food safety standards was asked at a press conference if and when it would meet developed-world standards, he conceded that it would, instead, have to meet China's "national condition" as a developing country. In other words: China's food supply cannot meet USDA standards.

    China's "national condition" has already seemingly had a harmful effect on its poultry – and on U.S. consumers unlucky enough to have bought it for their pets. (The U.S. allows chicken imports for animal consumption.) As of December 2012, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration reported that it had received reports of 501 dog deaths (and thousands of dog sicknesses), many seemingly from chicken jerky treats manufactured in China, dating back to 2007. But the department has so far been unable to pinpoint a cause for the problem, and the Chinese have been unwilling to volunteer one.

    What was the USDA thinking when it decided to sign-off on Chinese processed chicken exports for humans? Probably not the best interest of American consumers.
    Rather, U.S. beef and poultry producers have long sought to have the restrictions lifted in hope of encouraging Beijing to reciprocate and open its huge market to more U.S. meat exports (U.S. beef is currently banned for import into China). It's a reasonable goal, and one that the USDA should pursue -- just not at the expense of a safe U.S. food supply.

    (Adam Minter is the Shanghai correspondent for Bloomberg's World View blog and a contributor to the Ticker. Follow him on Twitter.)

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    The mind boggles as to how you can send chickens thousands of miles for them to be processed and then sent thousands of miles back to be sold cheaper than killing and processing them at home ?
    Thats one seriously messed up system.
    I didn't realise that Thailand was a big exporter of chickens till I watched a documentary on cheap foods and how they are produced. Very entertaining. Google
    Blood, sweat and takeaways.
    There are four or five episodes from around the SE Asian region but the Thailand one is highly amusing.
    Treat everyone as a complete and utter idiot and you can only ever be pleasantly surprised !

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    Small American farmers cannot raise animals for meat because the slaughter must be in a USDA inspected slaughterhouse, which are set up only in locations near the giant producers. It is not economical to carry a few animals hundreds of miles for processing.

    Yet, the USDA is going to allow big producers to send animals thousands of miles away to uninspected processing in China, a country known to have dangerous food handling practices.

    Americans screwed again by goverment in collusion with big business.

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    Guess the $$$$$$$$ come first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Small American farmers cannot raise animals for meat because the slaughter must be in a USDA inspected slaughterhouse, which are set up only in locations near the giant producers. It is not economical to carry a few animals hundreds of miles for processing.

    Yet, the USDA is going to allow big producers to send animals thousands of miles away to uninspected processing in China, a country known to have dangerous food handling practices.

    Americans screwed again by goverment in collusion with big business.
    Spot-on,

    and it reveals how f*cked up the USA is and has become.

    This lack of logic just shows how f*cked up the entire economic system and culture is.

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    This is very short. Please watch.


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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Small American farmers cannot raise animals for meat because the slaughter must be in a USDA inspected slaughterhouse, which are set up only in locations near the giant producers. It is not economical to carry a few animals hundreds of miles for processing.

    Yet, the USDA is going to allow big producers to send animals thousands of miles away to uninspected processing in China, a country known to have dangerous food handling practices.

    Americans screwed again by goverment in collusion with big business.
    Spot-on,

    and it reveals how f*cked up the USA is and has become.

    This lack of logic just shows how f*cked up the entire economic system and culture is.
    Amen brother ... Hallelujah!

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    I watched a documentary the other month where a farmer was raided by armed officers and other federal agents for the crime of simply selling people unpasteurised milk to customers who wanted to buy it. They poured thousands of gallons of it down the drains and confiscated tens of thousands of equipment as well as other food products that were perfectly legal.
    Talk about a fcuked up system. Why do people put up with it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Small American farmers cannot raise animals for meat because the slaughter must be in a USDA inspected slaughterhouse, which are set up only in locations near the giant producers. It is not economical to carry a few animals hundreds of miles for processing.

    Yet, the USDA is going to allow big producers to send animals thousands of miles away to uninspected processing in China, a country known to have dangerous food handling practices.

    Americans screwed again by goverment in collusion with big business.
    Spot-on,

    and it reveals how f*cked up the USA is and has become.

    This lack of logic just shows how f*cked up the entire economic system and culture is.
    Amen brother ... Hallelujah!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Fella View Post
    I watched a documentary the other month where a farmer was raided by armed officers and other federal agents for the crime of simply selling people unpasteurised milk to customers who wanted to buy it. They poured thousands of gallons of it down the drains and confiscated tens of thousands of equipment as well as other food products that were perfectly legal.
    Talk about a fcuked up system. Why do people put up with it ?
    This is true.

    And, those evil natural supplement places get raided by the jackboots also. Maybe these supplemental naturo-pathic places cannot prove the positive results - and that should be noted - but the heavy handed shut downs?!

    That....is Big Pharma.

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    Yet another example of how over-regulation is killing Western jobs.

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    ^ True for the organic farmers, but for the instance in the OP, lack of regulation seems to be killing Western jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Fella View Post
    I watched a documentary the other month where a farmer was raided by armed officers and other federal agents for the crime of simply selling people unpasteurised milk to customers who wanted to buy it. They poured thousands of gallons of it down the drains and confiscated tens of thousands of equipment as well as other food products that were perfectly legal.
    Talk about a fcuked up system. Why do people put up with it ?
    This is true.

    And, those evil natural supplement places get raided by the jackboots also. Maybe these supplemental naturo-pathic places cannot prove the positive results - and that should be noted - but the heavy handed shut downs?!

    That....is Big Pharma.
    What's the deal with un pasteurized milk? I thought there was some sort of health hazard with it.

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    Evidently for some people drinking whole fresh milk is most beneficial to them. Especially those with allergies. I could understand it being illegal to pass off whole natural milk as pasteurised milk but if these people wish and choose to buy this milk for whatever reason then just what has it got to do with anyone, especially the Government what you choose to eat or drink ?

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    This is a great example of why you should not eat processed chicken. I buy only whole chickens from a local farm that is hormone/antibiotic free and feeds their chickens a 100% veg diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    ^ True for the organic farmers, but for the instance in the OP, lack of regulation seems to be killing Western jobs.
    It depends which way you view it.

    If the regulations weren't so onerous maybe the chickens would be processed in the US, thereby creating employment.

    Are people getting sick as a result of the processing taking place in China? If not then maybe the regulations need revisiting. If yes, then the import of the processed chicken should be banned.

    Of course, the unemployed could just move to China and apply for a job processing chickens.
    I see fish. They are everywhere. They don't know they are fish.

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    Under the various regulations Big Ag thrives. The USDA works for the big guys and set up regulation, or lack of it, to help them. It's the little guys who gets screwed. You reckon it could be done intentionally?

    We don't know if the chicken processors are moving to get away from regulations or they are getting away from having to pay the already piss-poor wages they give American (or illegal Mexican) workers. Or maybe they've gone to the next step and are getting away from paying their management level workers their decent salaries.

    This move by the USDA will probably kill several small, already poor towns, in my home state of Georgia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    I buy only whole chickens from a local farm that is hormone/antibiotic free and feeds their chickens a 100% veg diet.
    Chickens are not vegetarians. In the wild they would get proteins and fats from worms and insects.

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    I think they do it with fish too.

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    Similar to North Sea prawns being sent to Thailand for shelling then returned to the Euro markets .

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    Theres a trend whereby excessive local regulation is actually a tool for established monopolies and cartels to eliminate competition

    In the UK, climate change rules meant steel producers were able to relocate entire plants to low cost India with the help of tax payer subsidies. So the Uk lost all rhe jobs and future investment. The same carbon emissions are now out of sight in India.

    The US food industry from big meat to Walmart is scared of local production and distribution. So lobbyists succeed in introducing regulation that effectively outlaws local farming methods and can do the dirty work out of sight and mind in China

    Totally fucked up system. And You Pay.

    Heres a song to explain it

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