Military intervention in Syria

**sabang** · 03-09-2013, 09:14 AM

^ True that, although he remained very much a figurehead in death. Quite a battle hardened crew, them viets.

**Boon Mee** · 03-09-2013, 09:59 AM

You may have seen pictures of Hanoi John Kerry “having a cosy and intimate dinner” with Bashar Assad, whom he now compares to Hitler and demands the USA attack for reasons apparently unrelated to our strategic interests. Here’s the enhanced version:

**Butterfly** · 03-09-2013, 10:31 AM

Kerry is a fucking joke,

Obama is surrounding himself with clowns, first Hilary, now Kerry

**sabang** · 03-09-2013, 10:36 AM

Who do these foreign policy wizards propose that Assad be replaced with, assuming that he has a miraculous change of mind and resigns, now that he has the rebels largely beat?

**david44** · 03-09-2013, 10:37 AM

With Uk,Russian and Cypriot setbacks new moon september looks out and the POTUS busy in St Petersburg,Gives space until Nove 2-4th to create a modus vivendi spurred by an attack at home or abroad.All this has driven the spying scandals off the front pages.

However the debt crisis and the erosion of US $ as the pre-eminent reserve currency acceptable for ail trade,and especiall oil and gold, means that if USA wants to re-assert world hegemony the time is now.
In reality this means not just Syria or Iran,it must engage in and defeat Russia and China with or without nuclear exchange.Whether this or any PPOTUS has the willpower,resources and determination will detemine when American supremacy ends.

While Israel Uk and other clients will toe the line,not sure how many US or Germans or Japanese will volunteer for the slaughter.

**Boon Mee** · 03-09-2013, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Kerry is a fucking joke,

Obama is surrounding himself with clowns, first Hilary, now Kerry

Love his Wig tho...some people can wear a 'rug' and it doesn't look abnormal. But with Kerry, everything about him from his slew of ill-gotten Purple Hearts to his character is abnormal...

**Butterfly** · 03-09-2013, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Kerry is a fucking joke,

Obama is surrounding himself with clowns, first Hilary, now Kerry

Love his Wig tho...some people can wear a 'rug' and it doesn't look abnormal. But with Kerry, everything about him from his slew of ill-gotten Purple Hearts to his character is abnormal...

he is a fucking embarrassment, a fraud. With hindsight, I am quite happy that GW Bush beat him in 2004, even with the fraudulent votes, at least GW Bush got a chance to face his mistakes, and a Kerry win would have made GW Bush look good at the end.

2 birds with 1 stone,

**david44** · 03-09-2013, 12:25 PM

Compassion has a low priority in US politics yet Obamacare could be seen as relieving more suffering if socialized medicine replaces the parisitic insurance companies .

There is little chance this will stick and the next GOP leadership while unlikely to outright take away something so popular will emasculate it or allow their buddies in big pharma to profit form sickness.

What a tragedy that such a wealthy,developed nation does not value the Common Health

**barbaro** · 03-09-2013, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by david44

Compassion has a low priority in US politics yet Obamacare could be seen as relieving more suffering if socialized medicine replaces the parisitic insurance companies .

I agree, and I see a Single Payer System as the way to go and the goal.

There is little chance this will stick and the next GOP leadership while unlikely to outright take away something so popular will emasculate it or allow their buddies in big pharma to profit form sickness.

What a tragedy that such a wealthy,developed nation does not value the Common Health

I feel the same way.

**good2bhappy** · 03-09-2013, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Who do these foreign policy wizards propose that Assad be replaced with, assuming that he has a miraculous change of mind and resigns, now that he has the rebels largely beat?

Al Qaeda so they can invade!

**sabang** · 03-09-2013, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by ltnt

No doubt the list of your heros includes Atilla the Hun, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussain etc.

You got two right- Mao and Stalin qualify on my short list as two of the most heroic figures of the 20th century. The others are Gandhi & Churchill. Uncle Ho wins- but of course that is entirely a subjective viewpoint.

But I can see your error-

Originally Posted by ltnt

your heros

Nosirree, not "my heros (sic)"- most heroic figures. I think the definition of 'heroic' you proceed from owes more to Hollywood than any dictionary I'm aware of. It ain't to do with goodies & baddies you see- and certainly, Mao & Stalin were among the worst tyrants of the century, and thus baddies in my book. And, in terms of 'my heroes'- well FDR would surpass them all on this blokes short list, and Mao & Stalin would most certainly not be there.

I don't see Ho Chi Minh as particularly a baddie incidentally, given that his ultimate cause was national independence and unification. It is mainly the amerkins that see the whole thing thru' the somewhat artificial prism of fightin' communism and domino theory, the vietnamese mainly see it as a struggle for national self determination, a struggle that encompassed many years and several different phases. Undoubtably heroic, independent of ones assessment of right or wrong.

**Rainfall** · 03-09-2013, 02:19 PM

There are more people who had a photo session with Assad. Recognize the elderly lady? She bestowed a knighthood on Assad this day, on request of the Blair government.

The grim rapist.

And here they look like they just shared a French kiss.

They're all in the service of the rich, it doesn't matter who rules.

**Butterfly** · 03-09-2013, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Heh...who says Assad is going to fall, eh?

I would love to be a fly in the OO walls to hear about his plans on a political exit,

he must be quite busy,

**ltnt** · 03-09-2013, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Heh...who says Assad is going to fall, eh?

McCain says that's his motive? He doesn't have a replacement, but its definitely the other side. You know the one with the Al Quada sponsor.

This from the guy who spent 7 years as a POW in the Hanoi Hilton...

**harrybarracuda** · 03-09-2013, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Rainfall

There are more people who had a photo session with Assad. Recognize the elderly lady? She bestowed a knighthood on Assad this day, on request of the Blair government.

She did what?!

**Rainfall** · 03-09-2013, 02:29 PM

Looki who we've got here, Bush Sr. good at making a certain kind of friends.

**sabang** · 03-09-2013, 02:31 PM

Oh, he was quite our little darlin' until we decided to escalate the squabble with Iran. And his luvly wife, quite the celebrity-

Asma al-Assad: A Rose in the Desert

Asma al-Assad is glamorous, young, and very chic--the freshest and most magnetic of first ladies. Her style is not the couture-and-bling dazzle of Middle Eastern power but a deliberate lack of adornment. She's a rare combination: a thin, long-limbed beauty with a trained analytic mind who dresses with cunning understatement. Paris Match calls her "the element of light in a country full of shadow zones." She is the first lady of Syria.

Syria is known as the safest country in the Middle East, possibly because, as the State Department's Web site says, "the Syrian government conducts intense physical and electronic surveillance of both Syrian citizens and foreign visitors." It's a secular country where women earn as much as men and the Muslim veil is forbidden in universities, a place without bombings, unrest, or kidnappings, but its shadow zones are deep and dark. Asma's husband, Bashar al-Assad, was elected president in 2000, after the death of his father, Hafez al-Assad, with a startling 97 percent of the vote. In Syria, power is hereditary. The country's alliances are murky. How close are they to Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah? There are souvenir Hezbollah ashtrays in the souk, and you can spot the Hamas leadership racing through the bar of the Four Seasons. Its number-one enmity is clear: Israel. But that might not always be the case. The United States has just posted its first ambassador there since 2005, Robert Ford.

Iraq is next door, Iran not far away. Lebanon's capital, Beirut, is 90 minutes by car from Damascus. Jordan is south, and next to it the region that Syrian maps label Palestine. There are nearly one million refugees from Iraq in Syria, and another half-million displaced Palestinians.

"It's a tough neighborhood," admits Asma al-Assad.
The Only Remaining Online Copy of Vogue's Asma al-Assad Profile - Max Fisher - The Atlantic

I'm sure that our good friends in Al Qaeda must be outraged by this scandalous union- she is Sunni, he is Allawite.

**Boon Mee** · 03-09-2013, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Kerry is a fucking joke,

Obama is surrounding himself with clowns, first Hilary, now Kerry

Kerry:

"I did not advocate in any way that the response had to be swift*"

Paging Herr Doktor Professor Freud

Kerry: I Never Said Syria Response Had to Be Swift

**rebbu** · 03-09-2013, 04:45 PM

**billy the kid** · 03-09-2013, 05:07 PM

^ nice one rebbu. the truth is on shakey ground.
the situation is crying out for the facts.
was the mother of jesus a virgin ?
well err, immmm ,yes, of course, it's in the bible.
how could one think of her not being a virgin.

**billy the kid** · 03-09-2013, 05:11 PM

The Lord George Galloway speaketh fine words.

**ltnt** · 03-09-2013, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

"I did not advocate in any way that the response had to be swift*"

You need to post the photos of Nancy Peloisi gushing over Assad...that's the frosting on the liberal cake.

**Boon Mee** · 04-09-2013, 04:25 AM

Isn't it funny..."peace-loving" liberals supporting war. #hypocrites #ccot #tcot pic.twitter.com/BPwXNI6Nax

**Boon Mee** · 04-09-2013, 04:30 AM

Fight and die alongside Americans for over a decade, but embarrass Obama and make him lose face?

This is what you get:

US leaves ‘unreliable’ British out in the cold.

“British military chiefs are being ejected from US meetings about Syria in the first direct consequence of David Cameron’s refusal to join military action. The role of senior British officers based at US Central Command in Tampa, Florida, has been downgraded because they cannot be trusted with high-level intelligence about a conflict with which they are no longer involved, military sources say.”

Real classy, huh?

**ltnt** · 04-09-2013, 09:24 AM

^Part of the paranoia associated with this regime.

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