Military intervention in Syria

**ltnt** · 11-09-2013, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by helge

Anyway; Obama got bailed out for now

The word is "Beat up," by Putin not bailed out.

**helge** · 11-09-2013, 05:30 PM

OK
But still standing

Putin threw in the Towel

**billy the kid** · 11-09-2013, 05:30 PM

listened to a Russian official Pushkov in an interview las night
talkin about John Kerry when he accidentally slipped an S before Kerry
tried to gloss over it but ,,, Skerry it was.

Can't see Kerry lasting in the job now.

**ltnt** · 11-09-2013, 06:02 PM

Kerry's the Stalking Horse for Obama... easily killed off and the blame game is always his fault not mine sort of relationship. Kerry's a Dumb Ass from beginning to end all puffed up over himself.

**Primo** · 11-09-2013, 11:21 PM

"This operation [in Syria]," said the former French foreign minister Roland Dumas in June, "goes way back. It was prepared, pre-conceived and planned."

Dumas, speaking on the Syrian situation, stated that prior to the outbreak of sectarian conflict within Syria, he was approached by two individuals at a party in London, asking the former French Foreign Minister “if he would like to participate in preparations for an attack on Syria to topple the government in it”, Dumas told SANA on July 1..

“He said he refused this offer, but events proved that they were serious about what they said at that evening.”

Dumas also told another outlet that the individuals in question were “top British officials”:

“I am going to tell you something. I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business. I met with top British officials, who confessed to me, that they were preparing something in Syria”

Interesting..

http://explosivereports.com/2013/07/...d-and-planned/

**leemo** · 12-09-2013, 11:07 AM

Obama's not afraid of Congress, having slithered in for a second term he now has no obligation to any people or body.

He is also not afraid of Russia, they wouldn't dare to bomb the WH so he's safe and never mind the lives of his slaves that pay for and defend America.

My guess is it's Iran that has him soiling his knickers.

**Mr Lick** · 12-09-2013, 09:11 PM

Syria crisis: Assad confirms chemical weapons plan

Syria's President Bashar al-Assad has appeared on Russian TV to confirm that his country's chemical weapons will be placed under international control.

Mr Assad told Rossiya 24 the move was as a result of a Russian initiative and not the threat of US military action.

The comments came as the Russian and US foreign ministers prepared for key talks in Geneva.

The US accuses the Syrian regime of killing hundreds in a poison-gas attack in the Damascus suburbs on 21 August.

The government denies the allegation, blaming rebels for the attack.

'Chance for peace'

Mr Assad told Rossiya 24, the state-run news channel: "Syria is placing its chemical weapons under international control because of Russia. The US threats did not influence the decision."
Analysis

Paul Adams BBC News, Geneva

The fact that the Russians and Americans are sending such large delegations to Geneva, including hordes of military and security officials, suggests a real desire on both sides to make use of this moment.

But the hurdles are immense. The Americans, along with the British and French, want to see some kind of enforcement mechanism to hold President Assad's feet to the fire. The Russians say this is simply not acceptable. President Putin, in a well-timed article in the New York Times, pours scorn on American threats of force.

But even if this fundamental stumbling block can be overcome (if the US Congress passes its own resolution, with deadlines and threats, then arguably the UN doesn't need to), there are a myriad of other problems. Who would be willing to send personnel into a war zone to carry out such hazardous work? What weapons will the Syrians be expected, or willing, to hand over? How long, realistically, will this major undertaking last?

Russia's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov earlier outlined three main phases of Moscow's proposal:

Syria joins the Chemical Weapons Convention, which outlaws the production and use of the weapons
Syria reveals where its chemical weapons are stored and gives details of its programme
Experts decide on the specific measures to be taken

In his TV interview, Mr Assad confirmed Syria would send documents to the UN as part of the process of signing the chemical weapons convention.

Mr Lavrov, completing a visit to Kazakhstan, said: "I am sure that there is a chance for peace in Syria. We cannot let it slip away."

He did not mention the destruction of the weapons, which is thought to be a sticking point in Moscow's negotiations with Damascus.

Mr Lavrov is due to discuss the plan in Geneva with US Secretary of State John Kerry, who will first hold talks with UN-Arab League envoy Lakhdar Brahimi.

US officials have described Russia's plan as "doable but difficult".

www.bbc.co.uk

^ Yes, i suppose it would have been easier to organise a military strike to bomb the crap out of Damascus rather than seek a diplomatic solution but then diplomacy was never on the agenda i suspect.

**Butterfly** · 12-09-2013, 09:13 PM

it looks like Russia has bailed out Obama who was heading to an impasse,

now how long before Kerry get fired ? I will say 2 weeks,

**Butterfly** · 12-09-2013, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

US officials have described Russia's plan as "doable but difficult".

Translation:
we don't want to see that plan succeed and will sabotage it with every opportunities we get

**alitongkat** · 12-09-2013, 09:19 PM

an attack is off the table... for quite some time at least...

**slackula** · 12-09-2013, 09:35 PM

Russia's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov earlier outlined three main phases of Moscow's proposal:

Syria joins the Chemical Weapons Convention, which outlaws the production and use of the weapons

Syria reveals where its chemical weapons are stored and gives details of its programme

Experts decide on the specific measures to be taken

All seems very sensible, which is why it doesn't have a hope in hell of succeeding.

There is no way the US is going to support something put together by the Russians, it would be political suicide for any US politician to come out in favour of the proposal and once the Israelis pipe up against it then it will be dead in the water.

Too bad for all the "collateral damage" victims of the missile strikes.

**sabang** · 12-09-2013, 09:40 PM

Whilst you might end up right, it will just serve to isolate and alienate the US/Israel axis further. Good move by Putin.

**alitongkat** · 12-09-2013, 09:45 PM

why should israel have an interest to stir trouble in syria ?

**sabang** · 12-09-2013, 09:48 PM

Just to weaken the regime- but they know full well they don't want an AQ/ fundamentalist Sunni takeover. Syria isn't actually bad- they have done nothing against us whatsoever since Bashar Assad took over. We should pull our inflated heads in.

**alitongkat** · 12-09-2013, 10:01 PM

sabang... why should israel be interested in a fall of assad?
or in unrest in syria ?

**sabang** · 12-09-2013, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by alitongkat

sabang... why should israel be interested in a fall of assad?

I don't believe it is. But if i'm wrong, the answer is Iran.

Originally Posted by alitongkat

or in unrest in syria ?

I believe it is.

**Primo** · 12-09-2013, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by alitongkat

sabang... why should israel be interested in a fall of assad?
or in unrest in syria ?

Because Assad supports Hizbollah and the fall of the regime in Syria is just another step on the planned fall to the regime in Iran also another Israeli target.

**alitongkat** · 12-09-2013, 10:16 PM

as if hizbollah was a threat...

**Primo** · 12-09-2013, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by alitongkat

as if hizbollah was a threat...

Obviously it is to Israel, try reading the news..

**alitongkat** · 12-09-2013, 10:29 PM

syria, hezbollah are no threats to israel...

assad is actually the best thing, that can happen to israel - a dictator who keeps the place with a strong hand (down)...
he even doesnt whine about golan or whatever...

neither syria nor hezbullah plan(ned) to attack israel...

and if iran wanted to attack israel, they certainly wouldnt need syria nor hezbullah...
iran also repeatedly clarified, that it didnt want to attack israel...

**Primo** · 12-09-2013, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by alitongkat

hezbollah are no threats to israel...

.

The Israeli government disagree with you.

While senior security establishment officials vehemently warn against the ramifications of a military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities, security and government assessments indicate that the biggest threat to Israel is a deadly response from Iran's ally Hezbollah, whose leader Hassan Nasrallah has previously warned that its missiles and rockets could strike anywhere inside the Jewish state.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...265026,00.html

**alitongkat** · 12-09-2013, 10:36 PM

israel is plastered with anti-missile systems...

also, it would be more effective to - when its about time - drop a bomb or two on the hezbullah weapon stores...
i believe, israel knows where they are - if they indeed have anything...

just because someone in lebanon blethers cheeky on the tv, what is btw not really breaking news, its no reason to overthrow a regime - which in fact is quite convinient for israel and the US...

**Primo** · 12-09-2013, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by alitongkat

israel is plastered with anti-missile systems...

You having a problem reading? I just posted my evidence that the Israeli government think Hizbollah are a threat..end of story.

**sabang** · 12-09-2013, 10:38 PM

Israels only real threats are internal.

**Primo** · 12-09-2013, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Israels only real threats are internal.

The Israeli government disagrees with you as well.

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