Thread: Why is the U.S. government seizing phone records of ALL verizon customers?

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

Of course the peeps in charge of the show are try their best to make this guy look evil, untrustworthy, crazy, ETC They don't want you to hear what he has to say.

.. or believe what he has to say. Attack his creditability, and then kill him. Not long until they say "we have proof he was a spy all along for China" I reckon.

Anyway, hopeful only the completely insanely stupid will believe their lies about him.

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

This guy isn't a hero,

This one made me LOL

Watch Clapper Lie: “No spy should have that big a tell.”

If this is the best Obama can do then the country isn't in the best of hands.

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

So because Im a boring nobody that makes it ok for the NSA to listen in on my conversations? Ummm yeah OK. Well at least all the spying has ended the threat of Terrorism. Oh wait, no it hasn't. I wonder how much money PRISM cost the US taxpayers? Fekkin travesty.

It is amazing how gullible these fools are.

So, here's what happens. You put an advert up to sell a TV. You get lots of calls, one of which from someone who buys it. He gets lost on the way, so a fair few calls and an sms. Is name is Iqbal Faizel Mohammad. he buys your TV and off he goes.

In Pakistan, someone is being tortured. The reason why is that he was having an affair with a blokes wife, and this bloke dobs him in to the yanks to get revenge and a pocket full of loot. After a few days of torutre, this man makes up a story about a man called Iqbal Mohammed who lives in New York and is planning to do something, if only to get the yanks to stop pulling his finger nails out. the Yanks tap it into their computer and up pops Iqbal Faizel Mohammad who lives NY with you, but has no idea who the bloke is pakistan is as his name was chosen at random. Iqbal is a Doctor, and is as American as apple pie (with a touch of cinnamon). The FBI start investigating him, and on going through his phone records, they see a flurry of calls to you, that stopped the same day that a bomb plot was foiled in another part of the world. Upon being chucked onto a rendition flight that Obama said would be stopped although they are so secret, who really knows and why would the CIA listen to Obama anyway (they never have) Iqbal to save his last finger nail says "yes, he did it, and you were involved too".

there you go - you are now fucked as they swoop in and hold you indefinitely under the executive order Obama actually signed whilst he was pretending it was one to close Gitmo. .

So many reasons why this snooping is wrong and open to abuse by target chasing cops and spooks. To excuse it is ludicrous and the work of a moron to do so.

I was just thinking - and I'm sure I'm not the first to do so - that this would make a good plot for a futuristic novel. Perpetual phony war, total state surveillance. We'd need a protagonist, maybe call him Winston Smith or something.

Originally Posted by benbaaa

Perpetual phony war, total state surveillance.

sort of like a history based upon facts then?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by benbaaa

Perpetual phony war, total state surveillance.

sort of like a history based upon facts then?

Gotta be careful now, there's loads of History Revisionists among us.

^ no shit - this forum is how old - 10 yrs? I bet if you go to the start of it, you will see different official historian approved facts about loads of stuff that today the same official historians dispute, posted by the same posters as their definitive fact about history.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

^ no shit - this forum is how old - 10 yrs? I bet if you go to the start of it, you will see different official historian approved facts about loads of stuff that today the same official historians dispute, posted by the same posters as their definitive fact about history.

First example that comes to mind is, of course, the legacy of GWB.

Heh...noted the other day that Dubya was relieved that at least Obamacare can't be blamed on him!

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

the legacy of GWB.

I( can think of thousand of reasons why Dubya has the legacy he does. And that is just counting the dead Iraqi and Afghan children.

^ Not that I care, but unless he already had decided that he would turn himself into a bona fide traitor rather than just try to remain a whistle-blower, it was a real bad move to even go to Hong Kong in the first place IMO.

Him now singing to the Chinese comes as no real big surprise - voluntarily or by pressure applied, he set himself up for that outcome one way or the other if he stayed there, there was no way the Chinese would let him be without getting their pound of flesh.

I doubt he thinks there is much to laugh about by now.

I almost hope for him it is all smoke and mirrors to throw the dogs of the scent.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Gotta be careful now, there's loads of History Revisionists among us.

you righties are the best at that sort of thing...

tell us again your take on 9/11, Iraq, WMD's & Saddams link to Al queda?

oh yeah... its all Clinton's fault

Originally Posted by Pound Hound

oh yeah... its all Clinton's fault

And Madelene Allbright - don't forget her too.

Both of them had several chances to take OBL & gave it a miss...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

the radical Boston mosque where the Muslim bombers worshipped.

That is a malicious lie, and outright slander.

Any terrorist with half a brain would buy one of those $20 throw away cell phones from Walmart, use it for his dangerous calls, never call any friends on it so there would be no one to trace and throw it out weekly.

Not all terrorists are so stupid they take flying lessons and let it be known they don't care about learning how to land, are they? Of course the morons who did that still succeeded or were allowed to succeed.

Originally Posted by BobR

Any terrorist with half a brain would buy one of those $20 throw away cell phones from Walmart, use it for his dangerous calls, never call any friends on it so there would be no one to trace and throw it out weekly.

Not all terrorists are so stupid they take flying lessons and let it be known they don't care about learning how to land, are they? Of course the morons who did that still succeeded or were allowed to succeed.

The traces work both ways, sender and receiver. Not that easy to hide once they are on to you, same goes for e mail, you can get a new e mail address everyday, but someone has to know the address to send to you etc. Jim

Well, tell that empty suit I'm keeping my thermostat at 72 deg and I did make that!

^HAHA!! This shows how the rightwing blogsphere works. I just saw this same graphic posted up by some backwards ass hick on facebook. I bet you two retards got it from the same place.

You have no problem with this type of thing going on when Bush was doing it. Oh the hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by Pound Hound

Saddams link to Al queda?

Perhaps they invaded because he wasn't linked to Al Qaeda.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Well, tell that empty suit I'm keeping my thermostat at 72 deg and I did make that!

Um, no, you didn't make it, but nice try.

And President Obama is spot on when he says "We're going to have to make some choices as a society."

Do Americans really want to sacrifice the 4th Amendment of the constitution in exchange for "safety and security"? I hope not, but reckon it will be up to the Supreme Court to decide.

Jon Stewart's brilliantly British replacement for the summer, John Oliver, sums up everything that is wrong with how the government is handling the NSA issue.