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    And it's not just the NSA, governments can buy this technology from numerous sources.

    The Technology Helping Repressive Regimes Spy : NPR

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    Not sure if this has been posted already. Front page and HUGE headline (50% of front page) in today's Guardian. This goes way past seizing phone records. This is full content being monitored.

    NSA taps in to user data of Facebook, Apple, Google and others, secret files reveal

    • Top secret PRISM program claims direct access to servers of firms including Google, Facebook and Apple
    • Companies deny any knowledge of program in operation since 2007

    A slide depicting the top-secret PRISM program

    The National Security Agency has obtained direct access to the systems of Google, Facebook, Apple and other US internet giants, according to a top secret document obtained by the Guardian.
    The NSA access is part of a previously undisclosed program called PRISM, which allows officials to collect material including search history, the content of emails, file transfers and live chats, the document says.

    The Guardian has verified the authenticity of the document, a 41-slide PowerPoint presentation – classified as top secret with no distribution to foreign allies – which was apparently used to train intelligence operatives on the capabilities of the program. The document claims "collection directly from the servers" of major US service providers.
    Although the presentation claims the program is run with the assistance of the companies, all those who responded to a Guardian request for comment on Thursday denied knowledge of any such program.

    In a statement, Google said: "Google cares deeply about the security of our users' data. We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government 'back door' into our systems, but Google does not have a back door for the government to access private user data."

    Several senior tech executives insisted that they had no knowledge of PRISM or of any similar scheme. They said they would never have been involved in such a program. "If they are doing this, they are doing it without our knowledge," one said.

    An Apple spokesman said it had "never heard" of PRISM.

    The NSA access was enabled by changes to US surveillance law introduced under President Bush and renewed under Obama in December 2012.

    The program facilitates extensive, in-depth surveillance on live communications and stored information. The law allows for the targeting of any customers of participating firms who live outside the US, or those Americans whose communications include people outside the US.

    It also opens the possibility of communications made entirely within the US being collected without warrants.
    Disclosure of the PRISM program follows a leak to the Guardian on Wednesday of a top-secret court order compelling telecoms provider Verizon to turn over the telephone records of millions of US customers.

    The participation of the internet companies in PRISM will add to the debate, ignited by the Verizon revelation, about the scale of surveillance by the intelligence services. Unlike the collection of those call records, this surveillance can include the content of communications and not just the metadata.
    Some of the world's largest internet brands are claimed to be part of the information-sharing program since its introduction in 2007. Microsoft – which is currently running an advertising campaign with the slogan "Your privacy is our priority" – was the first, with collection beginning in December 2007.
    It was followed by Yahoo in 2008; Google, Facebook and PalTalk in 2009; YouTube in 2010; Skype and AOL in 2011; and finally Apple, which joined the program in 2012. The program is continuing to expand, with other providers due to come online.
    Collectively, the companies cover the vast majority of online email, search, video and communications networks.



    The extent and nature of the data collected from each company varies.
    Companies are legally obliged to comply with requests for users' communications under US law, but the PRISM program allows the intelligence services direct access to the companies' servers. The NSA document notes the operations have "assistance of communications providers in the US".

    The revelation also supports concerns raised by several US senators during the renewal of the Fisa Amendments Act in December 2012, who warned about the scale of surveillance the law might enable, and shortcomings in the safeguards it introduces.

    When the FAA was first enacted, defenders of the statute argued that a significant check on abuse would be the NSA's inability to obtain electronic communications without the consent of the telecom and internet companies that control the data. But the PRISM program renders that consent unnecessary, as it allows the agency to directly and unilaterally seize the communications off the companies' servers.

    A chart prepared by the NSA, contained within the top-secret document obtained by the Guardian, underscores the breadth of the data it is able to obtain: email, video and voice chat, videos, photos, voice-over-IP (Skype, for example) chats, file transfers, social networking details, and more.



    The document is recent, dating to April 2013. Such a leak is extremely rare in the history of the NSA, which prides itself on maintaining a high level of secrecy.
    The PRISM program allows the NSA, the world's largest surveillance organisation, to obtain targeted communications without having to request them from the service providers and without having to obtain individual court orders.

    With this program, the NSA is able to reach directly into the servers of the participating companies and obtain both stored communications as well as perform real-time collection on targeted users.

    The presentation claims PRISM was introduced to overcome what the NSA regarded as shortcomings of Fisa warrants in tracking suspected foreign terrorists. It noted that the US has a "home-field advantage" due to housing much of the internet's architecture. But the presentation claimed "Fisa constraints restricted our home-field advantage" because Fisa required individual warrants and confirmations that both the sender and receiver of a communication were outside the US.
    "Fisa was broken because it provided privacy protections to people who were not entitled to them," the presentation claimed. "It took a Fisa court order to collect on foreigners overseas who were communicating with other foreigners overseas simply because the government was collecting off a wire in the United States. There were too many email accounts to be practical to seek Fisas for all."

    The new measures introduced in the FAA redefines "electronic surveillance" to exclude anyone "reasonably believed" to be outside the USA – a technical change which reduces the bar to initiating surveillance.

    The act also gives the director of national intelligence and the attorney general power to permit obtaining intelligence information, and indemnifies internet companies against any actions arising as a result of co-operating with authorities' requests.

    In short, where previously the NSA needed individual authorisations, and confirmation that all parties were outside the USA, they now need only reasonable suspicion that one of the parties was outside the country at the time of the records were collected by the NSA.

    The document also shows the FBI acts as an intermediary between other agencies and the tech companies, and stresses its reliance on the participation of US internet firms, claiming "access is 100% dependent on ISP provisioning".

    In the document, the NSA hails the PRISM program as "one of the most valuable, unique and productive accesses for NSA".
    It boasts of what it calls "strong growth" in its use of the PRISM program to obtain communications. The document highlights the number of obtained communications increased in 2012 by 248% for Skype – leading the notes to remark there was "exponential growth in Skype reporting; looks like the word is getting out about our capability against Skype". There was also a 131% increase in requests for Facebook data, and 63% for Google.

    The NSA document indicates that it is planning to add Dropbox as a PRISM provider. The agency also seeks, in its words, to "expand collection services from existing providers".

    The revelations echo fears raised on the Senate floor last year during the expedited debate on the renewal of the FAA powers which underpin the PRISM program, which occurred just days before the act expired.

    Senator Christopher Coons of Delaware specifically warned that the secrecy surrounding the various surveillance programs meant there was no way to know if safeguards within the act were working.

    "The problem is: we here in the Senate and the citizens we represent don't know how well any of these safeguards actually work," he said.
    "The law doesn't forbid purely domestic information from being collected. We know that at least one Fisa court has ruled that the surveillance program violated the law. Why? Those who know can't say and average Americans can't know."

    Other senators also raised concerns. Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon attempted, without success, to find out any information on how many phone calls or emails had been intercepted under the program.

    When the law was enacted, defenders of the FAA argued that a significant check on abuse would be the NSA's inability to obtain electronic communications without the consent of the telecom and internet companies that control the data. But the PRISM program renders that consent unnecessary, as it allows the agency to directly and unilaterally seize the communications off the companies' servers.

    When the NSA reviews a communication it believes merits further investigation, it issues what it calls a "report". According to the NSA, "over 2,000 PRISM-based reports" are now issued every month. There were 24,005 in 2012, a 27% increase on the previous year.

    In total, more than 77,000 intelligence reports have cited the PRISM program.

    Jameel Jaffer, director of the ACLU's Center for Democracy, that it was astonishing the NSA would even ask technology companies to grant direct access to user data.
    "It's shocking enough just that the NSA is asking companies to do this," he said. "The NSA is part of the military. The military has been granted unprecedented access to civilian communications.

    "This is unprecedented militarisation of domestic communications infrastructure. That's profoundly troubling to anyone who is concerned about that separation."
    A senior administration official said in a statement: "The Guardian and Washington Post articles refer to collection of communications pursuant to Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. This law does not allow the targeting of any US citizen or of any person located within the United States.

    "The program is subject to oversight by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the Executive Branch, and Congress. It involves extensive procedures, specifically approved by the court, to ensure that only non-US persons outside the US are targeted, and that minimize the acquisition, retention and dissemination of incidentally acquired information about US persons.

    "This program was recently reauthorized by Congress after extensive hearings and debate.
    "Information collected under this program is among the most important and valuable intelligence information we collect, and is used to protect our nation from a wide variety of threats.

    "The Government may only use Section 702 to acquire foreign intelligence information, which is specifically, and narrowly, defined in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. This requirement applies across the board, regardless of the nationality of the target."
    Additional reporting by James Ball and Dominic Rushe

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    The Patriot Act was passed in 2001, to 'patriotic frenzy'. Only now, twelve years later, are Americans finding out what it means. Unbelievable.


    US intelligence chief denounces release of information

    Disclosure of the massive surveillance of phone records and internet communications risks “long-lasting and irreversible harm” to US national security, the director of national intelligence says.

    US intelligence chief denounces release of information | World news | guardian.co.uk

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    Dr Bob, don't think it comes as a surprise that they are watching and listening.
    That's not the point, NSA, CIA, military and navel intelligence are all in on it. The problem is it's the FBI, they are a law enforcement agency, they can get Intel from the other agencies, but can not use it as evidence in court. They want to collect it legally so it may be used as evidence. A bit like getting a search warrant for a house, but they want a search warrant that covers the USA.
    That makes it a police state, you have lost your rights, even to client attorney privilege, if you speak on the phone or use the net to communicate.
    This is not for collecting Intel, but for collecting evidence without any judicial review. Jim

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    Yes, but it has been in place for 12 years- the NSA & DoJ etc are acting within their rights under the Patriot act. So why all the fuss now, America? There were few speaking out about it at the time.

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    ^You must have been living in a different world from the one I inhabit if you really think there was no "fuss" about the Patriot Act circa 2001/2.

    Cities Say No to Federal Snooping


    Julia Scheeres Email 12.19.02


    Fearing that the Patriot Act will curtail Americans' civil rights, municipalities across the country are passing resolutions to repudiate the legislation and protect their residents from a perceived abuse of authority by the federal government.

    On Tuesday, Oakland became the 20th municipality to pass a resolution barring its employees -- from police officer to librarian -- from collaborating with federal officials who may try to use their new power to investigate city residents.

    Rushed through Congress a month after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the Patriot Act fundamentally changes Americans' legal rights. Among other things, the act allows the government to secretly monitor political groups, seize library records and tap phone and Internet connections.

    The federal government says the expanded powers are needed to prevent terrorist attacks; but critics say the legislation erodes freedoms protected by the Constitution. The Justice Department did not return calls for comment on this article.

    A rallying point behind the recent groundswell has been the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, run by Massachusetts activist Nancy Talanian.

    Her site includes a blueprint for communities that want to pass anti-Patriot Act resolutions, based on her successful lobbying efforts for such legislation in Northhampton, Massachusetts. The site has gotten over a million hits in the last six months, Talanian said.

    Another group to vehemently oppose the act has been librarians. They are now required to divulge patrons' book-borrowing and Internet-surfing habits to federal investigators and are prohibited from making such requests public.

    In retaliation, some librarians have called special meetings to educate their communities about the Patriot Act's implications. Others now routinely purge borrowing records and Internet caches. One former librarian devised a series of technically legal signs to warn patrons of FBI snooping.

    "We're Sorry!" states one. "Due to National Security concerns, we are unable to tell you if your Internet surfing habits, passwords and e-mail content are being monitored by federal agents; please act appropriately."

    Jessamyn West said she doesn't necessarily expect libraries to use her signs, but she hopes that they'll get people talking.

    "Hopefully, they'll make people more aware of what's going on," she said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Yes, but it has been in place for 12 years- the NSA & DoJ etc are acting within their rights under the Patriot act. So why all the fuss now, America? There were few speaking out about it at the time.
    No this power was only given to the FBI this year, it's a different ball game. It's not just about national security, but criminal investigation, no matter how they dress it up. Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by mao say dung
    ^You must have been living in a different world from the one I inhabit
    Don't think so-

    March 2, 2004
    Americans Generally Comfortable With Patriot Act

    Few believe it goes too far in restricting civil liberties

    According to a Feb. 16-17 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, only one-quarter of Americans (26%) believe the Patriot Act goes too far in restricting people's civil liberties in order to fight terrorism. Nearly as many (21%) think it does not go far enough, while the plurality (43%) believes it is about right. That represents a more than 2-to-1 balance of opinion against the idea that the act goes too far. Public reaction has changed little since first measured last August.
    Americans Generally Comfortable With Patriot Act


    I'm not aware that the FBI is exercising any new powers Jim- do you have a link on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    Dr Bob, don't think it comes as a surprise that they are watching and listening. That's not the point,
    Yes, it is the point. Before this saying that email and conversations were being spied upon was always dismissed as the ravings of the paranoid and the loony. This is irrefutable evidence that people are being spied upon in their millions.

    There is a huge world of difference between suspecting something and knowing it for sure. That's why this is about to become an enormous scandal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Yes, but it has been in place for 12 years- the NSA & DoJ etc are acting within their rights under the Patriot act. So why all the fuss now, America? There were few speaking out about it at the time.
    No this power was only given to the FBI this year, it's a different ball game. It's not just about national security, but criminal investigation, no matter how they dress it up. Jim
    It's been an abuse of power since it was implemented, hence my comment earlier.

    Anyone who has an expectation of privacy on phone or internet is living in cloud cuckoo land and it's been that way for a long time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mao say dung
    ^You must have been living in a different world from the one I inhabit
    Don't think so-

    March 2, 2004
    Americans Generally Comfortable With Patriot Act

    Few believe it goes too far in restricting civil liberties

    According to a Feb. 16-17 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, only one-quarter of Americans (26%) believe the Patriot Act goes too far in restricting people's civil liberties in order to fight terrorism. Nearly as many (21%) think it does not go far enough, while the plurality (43%) believes it is about right. That represents a more than 2-to-1 balance of opinion against the idea that the act goes too far. Public reaction has changed little since first measured last August.
    Americans Generally Comfortable With Patriot Act


    I'm not aware that the FBI is exercising any new powers Jim- do you have a link on that?
    Can try and find a link, but it's mentioned in the OP. The court rulings were in reference to the FBI. Jim

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    Interesting that back in '04, 21% of Americans thought the PA did not go far enough!
    Bet I know who they voted for.

    APgate, foxgate, now PRISM- finally, the spotlight is being cast on government intrusion. About time too. Big Brother can watch you, monitor all of your conversations, communications and transactions, and kill you in your house with a drone strike- if the Potus office says they thought you were a threat. Perfectly legally. Such powers have been granted carte blanche- they are inherited by the next President, etc.

    Don't expect the US or any other government to curtail these powers voluntarily- not the nature of the beast. Strange how the Houses of Congress continue to be a farce and a scandal, yet they have more power than ever before.

    And I wonder who the US government/ 1% actually fears the most- Islamic terrorism, or the US people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    There were few speaking out about it at the time.
    Sorry, sabang, but a poll taken in 2004, very likely aimed at a very conservative "cross-section" of the American public (meaning of course folks who haven't much of a clue what it is except that the government thinks it's good), really does not establish that "few were speaking out about it at the time".

    There was a very loud outcry from the first. And if you think that the "outcry" happening now would be a clear indication that those folks polled in 2004 have changed their minds, we are living in different worlds.

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    Here's a bit from the Guardian, but as it appears the court ruling were secret you would not know what other rulings have been made. As said the FBI could get the intelligence from the spy agencies, no need for new powers, unless it's for criminal investigation.



    Series: Glenn Greenwald on security and liberty

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    NSA collecting phone records of millions of Verizon customers daily

    Exclusive: Top secret court order requiring Verizon to hand over all call data shows scale of domestic surveillance under Obama

    Read the Verizon court order in full here
    Obama administration justifies surveillance


    Under the terms of the order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data and the time and duration of all calls. Photograph: Matt Rourke/AP

    The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April.
    The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.
    The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk – regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing.
    The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Fisa) granted the order to the FBI on April 25, giving the government unlimited authority to obtain the data for a specified three-month period ending on July 19.
    Under the terms of the blanket order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls. The contents of the conversation itself are not covered.
    The disclosure is likely to reignite longstanding debates in the US over the proper extent of the government's domestic spying powers

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    I seem to remember widespread celebrations when the Berlin Wall came down and Easy Berliners made bonfires out of Stasi files...

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    They didn't. The Stasi tried to destroy its files, and the demonstrators prevented it for the major part.

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    The Stazi had so much information that it became impossible to know what was relevant,to what was crap. Too much information can be bad for any Security service.

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    The Obama Monster Is Out Of Control:


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    The Top 4 Apologies For Obama As Stalker-in-Chief.

    Well, my personal favorite is still this one:

    “Unfortunately, you’ve grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that’s at the root of all our problems. Some of these same voices also do their best to gum up the works. They’ll warn that tyranny always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices. Because what they suggest is that our brave, and creative, and unique experiment in self-rule is somehow just a sham with which we can’t be trusted.”

    Tar + Feathers!
    A Deplorable Bitter Clinger

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    Check this out:

    Obama sponsored bill that would have made Verizon order illegal.
    President Obama co-sponsored legislation when he was a member of the Senate that would have banned the mass collection of phone records that his administration is now engaged in.
    The SAFE Act, introduced by former Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho), would have amended the Patriot Act to require that the government have “specific and articulable facts” to show that a person is an “agent of a foreign power” before seizing their phone records.
    The bill was referred to the Judiciary Committee in 2005, but never received a vote. It had 15 co-sponsors in all, including then-Sens. John Kerry (D-Mass.) and Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.), who are now members of Obama’s Cabinet.
    Experts said the bill that Obama supported in the Senate would have prohibited the sweeping surveillance that has come to light at the National Security Agency (NSA).
    Well, sure, but there was a Republican in the White House then.

    And you say this latest Scandal - the Data Mining Scandal isn't Politically Motivated?

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    You of all people were a major defender of the Patriot act booner- of course, when a Republican was president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    You of all people were a major defender of the Patriot act booner- of course, when a Republican was president.
    Let's see some backup support for that erroneous statement.

    If, & the emphasis is on IF I expressed any favor towards the passage of that act, it was shortly changed to that of total negativity. This Data Mining thing goes light years beyond the original scope of the Patriot Act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
    They didn't. The Stasi tried to destroy its files, and the demonstrators prevented it for the major part.
    Thanks for the correction.

    Is it true that Facebook, Google and Microsoft are now amending their privacy policies to read 555?

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    ^ The shredded Stazi files are currently being restored,and it is open to all,to go view your file. A lot of shocked people who read their files. Best friends and family spied on them.

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    Big brother gathering info from my Verizon phones, emails and Facebook!! I better cut my nieces (the ones who married Packies) from my Christmas list before the swat teams come banging through my door

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