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    Herridge's sources within the government see a cover up developing and they are feeding her info. I wonder if her sources went to the liberal media first?

    The question about Petraeus is the source of his intelligence. Is it local Libyans who feed the CIA whatever they think the CIA would like to hear? Are they purposely feeding the CIA false information? You can't trust anyone over there. They are more likely to align themselves with the cutthroats because the cutthroats are more likely to kill and kill in a generational way. Kill your parents kill you and kill your children maybe even kill your relatives to wipe out your entire bloodline. It's your basic terror and it's used in basic politics.



    al-Qaeda says: You may find our customs strange but don't run away. We are your friends. It was all a cultural misunderstanding.

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    Filed under the "No Shit, Sherlock heading"

    JOHN McCAIN: “This president is either engaged in a massive cover-up deceiving the American people or he is so grossly incompetent that he is not qualified to be the commander in chief of our armed forces. It’s either one of them.”

    Bigger than Watergate.
    Bigger than Iran-Contra
    Bigger than the Tea Pot Dome Scandal
    Bigger than Tammany Hall

    All rolled into one.

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    All rolled into one big yawn.
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    Of the many and varied conspiracies comprising Benghazigate, my personal favorite is that it was all a devious plot to release the Blind Cleric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Of the many and varied conspiracies comprising Benghazigate, my personal favorite is that it was all a devious plot to release the Blind Cleric.
    Maybe, but keeping in mind this is coming from someone who desn't have a horse in this race and isn't blinkered left or right, there seems to be strong evidence that he knew what was going on and did nothing to help, left them to die without making any attempt at getting them out when resources were available to do so.
    "In my professional assessment as an intelligence officer, Trump has a reflexive, defensive, monumentally narcissistic personality, for whom the facts and national interest are irrelevant, and the only thing that counts is whatever gives personal advantage and directs attention to himself."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    Maybe, but keeping in mind this is coming from someone who desn't have a horse in this race and isn't blinkered left or right
    Are you honestly trying to set yourself up as an impartial / neutral observer?

    It has always been my experience that self-proclaimed 'centralists' or 'independents' tend to have decidedly right-wing leanings.

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    TBH, the sole effect of the flak emanating from the blogosphere is to confuse people between whats credible and whats not, and what's known or proven and what is outright speculation.

    With respect to the above video SEA, which doesn't go into outright loony stuff, State may well deserve criticism for a lack of security- and if so, probably not just at Benghazi. As for communications, the chain of command, lack of response etc while the 'incident' was happening- frankly I do not know what of that is true, and what is speculation. Do we know Obama watched the situation live on satellite? Do we know if the order not to provide back-up was made by Obama, or by whom? Do we even know at this point there was a specific order not to provide back-up? Not that I am necessarily rebutting this- but the nonsensical and debunked allegations that Gen Ham was arrested (and/ or sacked) because he didn't stand down somewhat throw doubt over the rest of the story.

    It will be nice to separate fantasy from reality, and I assume we will get to this in due course. That there will be (and is) some egg on the face of Obama, Hillary & State is a given- the bungled communications alone ensure that. Do we know there has been a deliberate cover-up at this point? nope- it's hard to put that beyond the realm of speculation until the Investigation is allowed to complete it's work and release it's findings. I refer back to the hullabaloo about Eric Holder lying before Congress about his knowledge of Fast n Furious- subsequently debunked by a bipartisan Investigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    there seems to be strong evidence
    Where is this 'strong evidence'? All I see is the right wing blogosphere making wild accusations and speculating on what should have happened. Just another smear campaign from Bullshit Mountain.

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    Re: post #306

    The responses to that video are interesting. Just one Of them...

    Comment by Alexander Horvat 2 hours ago
    Great Judge Jeanine, you are hitting a nail on the head. Wonder if anyone has heard about an aircraft coming in from overseas with the military absentee votes on it. While I haven't confirmed it, heard it went down, with all those votes. Somehow I don't feel Obama is going to get a strong number from the military, was it planned or was it serendipity for the Obamatons?



    Anyone heard of this aircraft going down with the votes or is it another cover-up?


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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    Maybe, but keeping in mind this is coming from someone who desn't have a horse in this race and isn't blinkered left or right
    Are you honestly trying to set yourself up as an impartial / neutral observer?

    It has always been my experience that self-proclaimed 'centralists' or 'independents' tend to have decidedly right-wing leanings.
    Yes, well perhaps I should have pointed out the obvious that not being American I don't have the kind 'you're either left or right, with us or against us' view of U.S. politics or polititians that blinkers so many Americans (and apparently others).

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    Was there a drone overhead and were they (including Obama) watching it go down or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    Yes, well perhaps I should have pointed out the obvious that not being American I don't have the kind 'you're either left or right, with us or against us' view of U.S. politics or polititians that blinkers so many Americans (and apparently others).
    You don't have to be American to be blinkered or have left/right leanings (no matter how much it apparently seems to help at times).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    Yes, well perhaps I should have pointed out the obvious that not being American I don't have the kind 'you're either left or right, with us or against us' view of U.S. politics or polititians that blinkers so many Americans (and apparently others).
    You don't have to be American to be blinkered or have left/right leanings (no matter how much it apparently seems to help at times).
    Christ almighty.
    Do YOU think he (Obama) knew what was happening at the time? That there was a live feed and he was at least aware if not watching it?
    Do you even CONSIDER the probability the he fucked up?

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    ^ Koojo, here is a link to the original CBS story about the drone overhead. Everything else comes from here.

    http://m.cbsnews.com/fullstory.rbml?...&videofeed=999

    There is a Lt Col Shaffer who told Fox News someone "on the ground" told him Obama was watching.

    No one has personally come forward to confirm that information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    ^ Koojo, here is a link to the original CBS story about the drone overhead. Everything else comes from here.

    http://m.cbsnews.com/fullstory.rbml?...&videofeed=999

    There is a Lt Col Shaffer who told Fox News someone "on the ground" told him Obama was watching.

    No one has personally come forward to confirm that information.
    OK, thanks.
    I haven't been following it that closely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    Yes, well perhaps I should have pointed out the obvious that not being American I don't have the kind 'you're either left or right, with us or against us' view of U.S. politics or polititians that blinkers so many Americans (and apparently others).
    You don't have to be American to be blinkered or have left/right leanings (no matter how much it apparently seems to help at times).
    Christ almighty.
    Do YOU think he (Obama) knew what was happening at the time? That there was a live feed and he was at least aware if not watching it?
    Do you even CONSIDER the probability the he fucked up?
    What does it matter what I think? It's not even relevant to the point I was making.

    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    I haven't been following it that closely.
    Yet you cast yourself in the role of independent arbitrar and proffer that there could be "strong evidence"!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    Yes, well perhaps I should have pointed out the obvious that not being American I don't have the kind 'you're either left or right, with us or against us' view of U.S. politics or polititians that blinkers so many Americans (and apparently others).
    You don't have to be American to be blinkered or have left/right leanings (no matter how much it apparently seems to help at times).
    Christ almighty.
    Do YOU think he (Obama) knew what was happening at the time? That there was a live feed and he was at least aware if not watching it?
    Do you even CONSIDER the probability the he fucked up?
    What does it matter what I think? It's not even relevant to the point I was making.

    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    I haven't been following it that closely.
    Yet you cast yourself in the role of independent arbitrar and proffer that there could be "strong evidence"!?
    OK, having actually made the effort to look into it it seems there may NOT be strong evidence of that after all.
    I withdraw that remark.
    What cannot be denied is that mission had previously requested furthe sucurity and was denied, which seems wrong in such an unstable and volatile place as Benghazi.

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    Irregardless, Obama’s Libya Stonewalling Isn’t Working:

    “In the latest CBS/New York Times poll likely voters disapprove of Obama’s handling of the Libya attacks by a margin of 51 percent to 38 percent. Among independents disapproval is even higher at 57 percent.” Despite the media’s best efforts to protect him.

    Bubba the Stormfront Sarge currently in Leavenworth is eagerly awaiting the arrival of Benghazie Barry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    there seems to be strong evidence
    Where is this 'strong evidence'? All I see is the right wing blogosphere making wild accusations and speculating on what should have happened. Just another smear campaign from Bullshit Mountain.
    Bert, y'all got yer head buried so far up Obama's ass you couldn't see the light if you tried. Yer just pissed 'cause you went out on a limb to support Susan Rice and now? Don't look too good for her either. The excuse "I was just taking orders" ain't gonna work here...

    More to the coverup:
    CAPTAIN’S JOURNAL ON BENGHAZI:

    There is a paper trail of deployments, locations, arming orders, force sizes, and so on and so forth. There is yet another paper trail of orders, requests, directives and other communications that fateful night. We won’t stop until it is all public and assessed by all of us. We will get it, eventually. We will all see it. We will know who did what, who said what, what assets were where, who lied, who equivocated, and who came clean. We will name names. The players who have any integrity left should come clean now and spill everything. It will go better for everyone in the long run. But it won’t change the facts. And the facts will be found out. That’s our promise.”

    Follow the paper trail instead of the money in this case. Heads are going to roll - fact.

    We suppose this is off your rather lame 'Bullshit Mountain' analogy too, eh?

    Classified cable warned consulate couldn’t withstand ‘coordinated attack.’

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    Obama; not responsible for Bin Laden killing, but responsible for Benghazi? Just stop.

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    ^
    Obama being the Commanding Officer is ultimately responsible for the death of OBL even tho it took almost an act of Congress to go along with the mission.

    Obama also being the Commander in Chief witnessed & then lied regarding the Benghazie fiasco.

    You'll like this next piece of evidence of a coverup:

    Gingrich: Senator told me networks may have White House emails commanding counterterrorism group to stand down on Benghazi rescue


    On Tuesday night’s “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren” on the Fox News Channel, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said that major news networks might have secret emails proving that the White House canceled plans to assist the besieged U.S. consulate in Benghazi.
    Gingrich said that the bombshell emails could be revealed within the next two days.
    “There is a rumor — I want to be clear, it’s a rumor — that at least two networks have emails from the National Security Adviser’s office telling a counterterrorism group to stand down,” Gingrich said. “But they were a group in real-time trying to mobilize marines and C-130s and the fighter aircraft, and they were told explicitly by the White House stand down and do nothing. This is not a terrorist action. If that is true, and I’ve been told this by a fairly reliable U.S. senator, if that is true and comes out, I think it raises enormous questions about the president’s role

    Gingrich: Senator told me networks may have White House emails commanding counterterrorism group to stand down on Benghazi rescue | The Daily Caller

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    We've heard that our poor abandoned Ambassador was calling for help weeks before the attack but now there's even more concrete proof someone is going to 'swing' for this debacle:

    Ambassador Chris Stevens Called for Help During Bengahzi Attack

    Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) told Greta Van Susteren on Wednesday that Ambassador Chris Stevens called for help when the consulate came under attack on 9-11. The ambassador made calls to the Deputy Chief of Mission Gregory Hicks in Tripoli. Chaffetz talked about this tonight On the Record,
    “He said shortly after 9:40 PM what happened is his phone rang and he didn’t recognize the number so he didn’t answer it. And then it rang again and again he didn’t answer it because he didn’t recognize the number. But then given the persistence he did answer it. It was Ambassador Stevens and Ambassador Stevens was saying we’re under attack. Now I can’t say he told me specifically but that’s kind of what I read into it. he hung up the phone and immediately called into Washington DC to trigger all the mechanisms that need to be put on. And then he wasn’t able to contact him. And there were hours and hours that we didn’t know where our ambassador was.”
    Ambassador Stevens called for help – But Obama never called in troops.

    Looks like the individual that's going to take the fall is our proud Commander in Chief, eh?

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    Benghazie-Gate Update (s)

    Documents found in Benghazi consulate claimed “troubling” surveillance by Libyan guards; Update: Obama not participating in investigation; Report: State never requested military back-up during attack

    "If you follow only one link on the site today, make sure it’s this one. And don’t quit before the end or you’ll miss some vivid details, like the very special swastika graffiti left by looters.
    Threshold question: Why were these documents still lying on the floor of what’s left of the consulate on October 26th, three weeks after the FBI finally swung by for a visit?"

    Pretty damning evidence thus far but there's more here

    Also, from the article - the money quote: If you knew nothing else about Obama except the way he’s stonewalled on this to protect his own sweet ass before election day, that’d be reason enough to vote against him. Disgrace:
    Today, the White House press secretary let it slip during a press gaggle aboard Air Force One that President Obama’s inaction on the Benghazi situation now extends to inaction on the supposed investigation taking place. The administration has still not made clear what exactly is being investigated, or the extent of the investigation. And President Obama doesn’t much care. Said Carney:

    “He has not participated in the investigation. He is anticipating results that show us exactly what happened and who is responsible and what lessons we can learn from it and ensure it never happens again. He expects the investigation to be rigorous.” - Yeah...right

    Any of you Doubting Thomas's ready to admit yet that there just might be some substance to the story as opposed to a VRWC?

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