British National Party

[Mid]

We lets see how long this thread is allowed to stand ?

It has been confessed that we have a proud member of the BNP amongst us .

Below is a cut 'n paste of the BNP .


What is the British National Party?

The British National Party (BNP) is a far-right political party that operates throughout the UK. It was formed in 1982 from the remnants of the old National Front.

The BNP claim around 7,000 members, However it exaggerates its support and paid up members number between 2500-4000.

When the party was led by its founder John Tyndall (1982-1999) it was easily identified with Nazism through its extreme and provocative activities, associations and publications as well as its active denial of the facts of the Holocaust.

However, the BNP has undergone a number of ideological shifts and personnel changes during its 28 years.



Tyndall (pictured left) was deposed as chairman in 1999 by a faction of “modernisers” led by Griffin who, ironically, had been responsible for some of the more extreme articles in BNP publications such as Spearhead (which he secretly edited for a period) and in his own journal The Rune, which led to his conviction for inciting racial hatred in 1998.

Since Griffin’s takeover, the BNP has played down its antisemitism, but individual nazis remain, such as the veteran senior activist Richard Edmonds, a voluble antisemite and Holocaust denier. Also, the BNP continues to cultivate links to individuals and parties internationally that are clearly fascist or nazi.

Under Griffin’s leadership the BNP dropped its policy of forcibly repatriating non-white people from the UK to soften its extreme image for electoral gain.

The organisation still rejects integration, equality and basic human and civil rights for people it describes as “non-indigenous” or “civic British” and claims to put the interests of “the British people”, by which it means white Britons, first. So, while the BNP has attempted to distance itself from its past it remains a racist party in the European fascist tradition.

The BNP has described itself as British nationalist, racial nationalist and more recently, ethno-nationalist. Its leader, Nick Griffin, has at times also referred to the party as a civil rights movement, especially since its electoral defeat in May 2010.

In recent years the party has concentrated on opposing Islam and actively campaigns against the establishment of mosques, halal meat and what it calls the “Islamification” of the UK.



It claimed in January 2011 that white people were being “exterminated” from British cities by means of “ethnic cleansing”. It also seeks to build support by a populist opposition to the war in Afghanistan.

Griffin and his colleague Andrew Brons were elected to the European Parliament in 2009. Since then the party has gone downhill, with severe financial problems and disastrous management by Griffin, who acts as a dictator.

Many officers and activists have left or been expelled. Griffin’s main goal currently is to secure election for a second term as an MEP to secure his personal financial position (two terms qualify MEPs for a pension) and, politically, to establish himself as the veteran voice European extremism.

hopenothate.org.uk

the website of the BNP can be found here :

British National Party | Love Britain

and the constitution / manifesto of the BNP can be found here :

http://www.bnp.org.uk/sites/default/...n_19.10.11.pdf

though you may note the following

No part of this, the 12.3 edition of the Constitution of the British National Party as amended from time to time may be downloaded, copied, reproduced, republished, posted, transmitted, stored, sold or distributed without the prior written permission of N. Griffin MEP for and on behalf of the publisher, except that each Individual Member of the British National Party shall have a non exclusive non transferable licence to download one copy of the 12.3 edition of the Constitution of the British National Party as amended from time to time from www.bnp.org.uk on any single computer and print out parts or one whole copy of the same for his or her personal, non-commercial, home use and for uses connected with his or her membership as an Individual Member of the British National Party and only provided that all copyright and proprietary notices are kept intact.

which appears to claim sole rights to members only , unless you want to pony up some freight to one N. Griffin MEP .

and it's only when you are a member that you can get to see what you are agreeing to

[dobella]

Very nice work there Mid, now could you please 'cut and paste' any incidents of violence against anyone ?
While you are at your A game, could you do a piece on the Anti Nazi League, prevalent mainly in the NW of England and have a history of attacking BNP councilors with claw hammers.
Thankyou.

[Mid]

interesting reading that constitution ,

Chairman is a dictator with sole authority and branches must buy a minimum number of the party newsletter amongst other things .................

[Mid]

Very nice work there Mid, now could you please 'cut and paste' any incidents of violence against anyone ?

Association with violence

John Hagan claims that the BNP has conducted right-wing extremist violence in order to gain "institutionalized power".[308] Critics of the BNP, such as Human Rights Watch in a 1997 report, have asserted that the party recruits from skinhead groups and that it promotes racist violence.[309]

In the past, Nick Griffin has defended the threat of violence to further the party's aims. In 1986, when Griffin was Deputy Chairman of the NF, he advised his audience at an anti-IRA rally to use the "traditional British methods of the brick, the boot and the fist."[310] After the BNP won its first council seat in 1993, he wrote that the BNP should not be a "postmodernist rightist party" but "a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate". In 1997 he said: "It is more important to control the streets of a city than its council chambers."[311]

A BBC Panorama programme reported on a number of BNP members who have had criminal convictions, some racially motivated. The BBC's list[312] is extensive. Some of the more notable convictions include:

• John Tyndall had convictions for assault and organising paramilitary neo-Nazi activities. In 1986 he was jailed for conspiracy to publish material likely to incite racial hatred.[313]
• In 1998, Nick Griffin was convicted of violating section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986, relating to incitement to racial hatred. He received a nine-month prison sentence, suspended for two years, and was fined £2,300.[314]
• Kevin Scott, who in 2001 was the BNP's North East regional organiser, has two convictions for assault and using threatening words and behaviour.[315]
• Joe Owens, now expelled but previously a BNP candidate in Merseyside and former bodyguard to Nick Griffin,[316][317] served eight months in prison for sending razor blades in the post to Jewish people and another term for carrying CS gas and knuckledusters.[318]
• Tony Wentworth, former BNP student organiser, was convicted alongside Owens for assaulting demonstrators at an anti-BNP event in 2003.[319]
• Colin Smith, who in 2004 was the BNP's South East London organiser, has 17 convictions for burglary, theft, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.[320]
• Richard Edmonds, at the time BNP National Organiser, was sentenced to three months in prison in 1994 for his part in a racist attack. Edmonds threw a glass at the victim as he was walking past an East London pub where a group of BNP supporters was drinking. Others then 'glassed' the man in the face and punched and kicked him as he lay on the ground, including BNP supporter Stephen O'Shea, who was jailed for 12 months. Another BNP supporter, Simon Biggs, was jailed for four and a half years for his part in the attack.[321]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party#cite_ref-313

[Mid]

Armed conflict 'justifiable' for core BNP supporters
Friday 09 March 2012

A core of the BNP believe armed violence is always justified to protect the 'national way of life', according to a new report into the UK far-right, based on a sample of over 2,000 supporters.



Last year, the attacks by Anders Breivik in Norway sparked an upsurge of interest in far right violence, writes Matthew Goodwin, political scientist and associate fellow at Chatham House.

Shortly afterward, this renewed fascination was further galvanised by the discovery of a violent, underground neo-Nazi cell in Germany, and then the murder of two Senegalese street traders in Florence by an activist with links to a far right network. With Breivik sentenced this week, our interest in the causes and perpetrators of far right violence looks set to continue.

One out of every five BNP supporter in our sample thought planning for conflict is always justifiable, while one out of every ten similarly branded armed conflict as always justifiable.

The problem, however, is that we actually know very little about this form of violent extremism. As a Home Affairs committee highlighted earlier this year, in the UK the tendency is to dismiss far right violence as only a minor threat when set alongside religious-based forms of extremism. Recent changes to the "Prevent" strategy suggest this view is beginning to change, but still the drivers of far right violence, and the extent to supporters of a fragmenting far right might endorse more extreme measures, remain largely unknown.

It was for this reason that we surveyed some 2,152 citizens to explore the views of far right supporters toward violence and group relations. We wanted to build on past research, which suggests those who are most active on the far right tend to subscribe to a distinct set of beliefs and narratives about our increasingly diverse society, and where it is heading.

Read the full report 'From voting to violence?'

By Dr Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) and Professor Jocelyn Evans (@JocelynAJEvans)

'Clash of civilisations'

These emphasise the "threat" from immigration and Islam, claim that citizens have been thrust into a battle for racial survival or a "clash of civilisations", employ apocalyptic scenarios, contend that only urgent and radical action can protect a wider group, and that activists have a moral obligation to defend their loved ones and ways of life from these wider threats.

But to what extent are these views prominent within a much larger sample of far right supporters? Our study is exploratory in nature, which means that its conclusions should be treated with caution, but still it sheds light on a corner that has never before been examined to this extent.

The BNP response to the report:

"We don't believe in violence - we believe in a democratic political system. The whole idea of being involved in the BNP is to provide nationalists with a democratic platform," Simon Darby told Channel 4 News.

"What I would say is that there are a number of people out there who are increasingly seeing the British political system as rigged, and inherently biased against anyone opposing mass immigration and its consequences - political parties voted in on these issues don’t deliver on their promises."


Activists were asked whether they thought various actions, such as planning for violence and engaging in armed conflict, are justifiable when defending the national way of life. Over 50 per cent of the BNP supporters in our sample viewed this action as always or sometimes justifiable, compared to 31 per cent of followers of the more moderate UK Independence Party (UKIP).

We then asked the same question, only alternating preparing for conflict to engaging in armed conflict. Overall, 40 per cent of the BNP supporters in our sample considered armed conflict as justifiable on similar lines, compared to 21 per cent of UKIP supporters. We then asked respondents whether violence may be needed in the future to protect their group from threats: 64 per cent of BNP followers in our sample agreed with this suggestion, whereas only 34 per cent of UKIP supporters backed this idea.

Violence 'inevitable' between ethnic groups

Irrespective of their affiliation, however, large numbers of our respondents shared a general view that future violence between different ethnic, racial or religious groups in British society is 'largely inevitable'. In fact, 91 per cent of BNP supporters and 75 per cent of UKIP supporters in our survey endorsed this view, whereas only 2 per cent and 13 per cent respectively disagreed. This would indicate that significant numbers of activists beyond the territory of the Conservatives are anticipating violence clashes between different groups in a future Britain.

It is the inner core of the extreme right who are most likely to justify preparing for and carrying out violence, and anticipate future outbreaks of violence.

Aside from revealing important differences between the extreme and more moderate radical right-wing, our findings also indicate there is a tranche of activists within the extreme right who view preparing for, and engaging in, group conflict as always justifiable. One out of every five BNP supporter in our sample thought planning for conflict is always justifiable, while one out of every ten similarly branded armed conflict as always justifiable.

Clearly, without a national comparison it is difficult to truly appreciate the intensity of such views.Nonetheless, the finding that significant numbers of citizens anticipate inter-group violence and/or endorse pre-emptive action to defend their group form perceived threats is a worrying trait for a group of party supporters in a Western democracy to exhibit.

Read more: What is fuelling the rise of the far right?

Views of core vs casual supporters

When we drill down further, we also find that those who are most likely to hold these views are the core supporters of the far right: current and past BNP members, and those who actively identify with the movement. Whereas more casual supporters of the far right, for example voters, are also more likely than their UKIP counterparts to back these ideas, it is the inner core of the extreme right who are most likely to justify preparing for and carrying out violence, and anticipate future outbreaks of violence.

With the electoral far right now in disarray, and no obvious outlet for grievances over issues such as immigration or the role of Islam in British society, these views about the perceived necessity and inevitability of violence should not be ignored.

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[Mr Lick]

I had cause to attend a local/county elections centre a few years ago in my home town in England. The BNP candidate turned up in the afternoon with his entourage, which consisted of around a dozen young men dressed in tight fitting suits, acting as if they were some sort of mafia clan.

It was both amusing and at the same time very worrying.

[larvidchr]

As long as this is not becoming personal!! and remains a debate about the BNP and possibly other "ultra right wing", "ultra left wing anarchist", and "fanatical religious" movements emerging in Europe, maybe as a result of the increased polarization in Society, the blind arrogant refusal and failings of our Politicians to acknowledge what clearly has been simmering in a pot getting hotter and hotter, and their aloof distance from ordinary people and their life's, and the economic crisis leaving more people with a sense of being disenfranchised, I see no reason why we cant talk about it here in Issues.

[Mid]

Undercover film exposes BNP's racist violence in Yorkshire
Thursday 15 July 2004

Rob Waugh ACTIVISTS in the British National Party in Yorkshire will tonight be shown committing racially motivated crimes in a hard-hitting undercover documentary.

A BBC film, called Secret Agent, reveals senior members of the party in the Bradford area confessing to a shocking series of racist offences.

Council candidate Stewart Williams says he wants to blow up the city's mosques and machine-gun worshippers with "about a million bullets".

Party colleague Dave Midgley, who also stood for election last month, admits squirting dog faeces through the letterbox of an Asian takeaway over a period of three weeks.

Another of the far right group's members, Steve Barkham, is shown confessing to taking part in a racially-motivated attack on an Asian man during the 2001 Bradford riots.

And Chris Kirby, one of four BNP candidates elected onto Bradford Council in June, is filmed planning to attack a TUC van delivering anti-BNP leaflets, saying he will contact a friend to find out where TUC activists were meeting.

Keighley's Labour MP Ann Cryer – in whose constituency Coun Kirby won a seat in the Worth Valley ward – said the programme revealed the true colours of the BNP and urged the police to take action to ensure prosecutions.

She said: "If criminal offences have been committed I would hope West Yorkshire Police will be taking action and I hope they will go before the courts.

"I'm very angry about the BNP. They are nasty, racist, fascists who unfortunately took in a lot of people who I wouldn't describe as such. I hope some of the people who were misguided and voted for them will think better of it in future." Coun Kirby last night said he had not seen the programme but insisted he would not stand down as a councillor regardless of how he was depicted.

BBC reporter Jason Gwynne was helped to infiltrate the BNP's West Yorkshire branch by former local BNP organiser Andy Sykes, who became a mole for anti-fascist group Searchlight two years ago.

Programme producer Karen Wightman said the BBC had put security measures in place to protect Mr Sykes and Mr Gwynne from reprisals by BNP members.

Material from the documentary would be handed to police and the Crown Prosecution Service, she said, adding: "We hope that police forces will investigate and that charges will be made."

In part of the secretly-recorded footage, Mr Barkham gives a graphic description of what he says was his role in assaulting an Asian man during the 2001 Bradford riots.

Three white men and the victim were later convicted of affray, but Mr Barkham, who describes the kicking he handed out as "fantastic", escaped prosecution because, he says, the Asian failed to pick him out from photographs police showed him.

BNP's racist violence exposed in film

Reporter Mr Gwynne says in the film that a barrister instructed by the BBC believed this confession amounted to an admission of causing grievous bodily harm with intent, which can carry a life sentence. The barrister also says that Coun Kirby's actions could amount to conspiracy to commit criminal damage.

A West Yorkshire Police spokeswoman said: "While we haven't yet seen the programme, we have spoken to the programme makers and will be investigating the claims made to identify what, if any, offences may have taken place.

"Clearly, that will depend on whether there is sufficient information to identify specific offences, victims and/or locations. But we will always prosecute where we find evidence of anyone being involved in racially-motivated crime. We ask anyone with further information to contact us.
"We have asked to see the programme but have been told we must await broadcast."

Last night, BNP leader Nick Griffin said Mr Midgley and Mr Barkham would be expelled from the BNP.

Mr Williams will also face an internal disciplinary tribunal in connection with comments made by him in the documentary, said the party leader.

Mr Griffin also accused the programme-makers of selectively editing a speech he is seen delivering in the film, and challenged the authorities to prosecute him.

In footage secretly recorded at a meeting in Keighley, which was called to discuss a spate of child sex attacks, he says: "You've got to stand up and do something for the British National Party because otherwise they (Muslims) will do for someone in your family. That is the truth."

He tells his audience that the Koran encourages followers to "take any woman you want as long as they're not Muslim women", adding: "That's the way that this wicked, vicious faith has expanded through a handful of cranky lunatics about 1,300 years ago until it's now sweeping country after country."

The party leader also said he believed Mr Midgley had been working for the BBC.

"It is a BBC scam, as far as we're concerned," he said.

"We would have kicked him out some time ago but Andy Sykes was telling everybody that Dave Midgley is a good bloke and that we should stand by him."

Of Mr Barkham, Mr Griffin said: "We are not prepared to countenance this type of behaviour and he will be expelled."

Regarding his own comments in the programme, Mr Griffin went on: "It's still not illegal to criticise Islam. If Mr Blunkett wants to put me on a show trial about whether we're entitled to warn about the dangers of Islam, I will be absolutely delighted.

"We will turn it into a show trial about the dangers of the Islamification of Britain."

Bary Malik, president of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association in Bradford, said: "I'm shocked. These people have misled so many people, they have received thousands of votes, managed to win seats in Bradford and they are people holding criminal views.

"I think the British people should loudly and clearly condemn these views and send a clear signal there is no room for them in British society."
Secret Agent is on BBC1 tonight at 9pm

rob.waugh@ypn.co.uk.

yorkshirepost.co.uk

[Mid]

[Mid]

Tony Lecomber cases

Tony Lecomber was imprisoned for three years for possessing explosives, after a nail bomb exploded while he was carrying it to the offices of the Workers' Revolutionary Party in 1985.[322] He was imprisoned for three years in 1991, whilst the BNP's Director of Propaganda, for assaulting a Jewish teacher.[323][324]

Robert Cottage case

Main article: Talbot Street bomb-making haul
In 2007, Robert Cottage, a former BNP council candidate, was sentenced to two and a half years for possession of explosives but a conspiracy charge against him was withdrawn after two juries had been unable to reach a verdict.[325] The prosecution claimed that Cottage had plans to assassinate Tony Blair and Liberal Democrat peer Lord Greaves.[326]
The chemicals recovered by police are believed to be the largest explosives haul ever found at a house in Britain.[327]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party




well that's just a quick search on BNP Violence .

[dobella]

^ Yes, remember this well and it was when Nick Griffin attempted to bring Britain's attention to the numerous cases of paedophilia by Asian men against young white girls.
He and Mark Collet were dragged before the courts at massive taxpayer expense only to be cleared of all (phony) charges.
Here we are 7 yrs. later and we are seeing week after week Asian grooming gangs against young white girls.
Thanks for bringing this issue up Mid.

[larvidchr]

Many tossers about and action unfortunately sometimes spawn over the top reactions. I do not condone any off them, but we must acknowlegde that there is real events, reasons and concerns our Politicians seems to have ignored far to long.

[dobella]

^ Larv, i am in the UK now and cannot access your postings above for some reason but i am sure it is worth viewing about all our differnces.

[larvidchr]

And we have the Ultra left -

UK threat from left wing terrorists


Europol predict an increasing threat to the UK from left wing and anarchist terrorism. In their most recent analysis of terrorist threats throughout Europe, analysing attacks and terrorist activity in 2010, red terrorists were responsible for some 45 attacks resulting in six fatalities, including a Greek police officer. The same report shows zero activity for right wing terrorists in Europe during the same period. Although attacks have previously occurred in central and southern Europe, the report warns that attacks may be co-ordinated throughout Europe; "Social unrest among the population, caused by the global economic downturn and the reduction of state spending on social welfare, may have influenced this development, which has been noticeable since 2007. The modus operandi in a number of attacks showed signs of increased internationalisation of left-wing and anarchist groups – although both have historically been international in outlook."

[Mid]

the good news is that as soon as Nick Griffinhas locked in his 2nd term as MEP an thus his pension the BNP will disappear due to lack of popular support

[Mid]

watering down the thread Lars

two wrongs do not a right make .

[larvidchr]

And we have Anarchist Ultra Left Hacker groups attacking the Ultra right but also everybody they in their warped minds think deserve it for other political reasons, taking the law in their own hands comitting costly crimes the taxpayers and consumers are left to pick up.

Anonymous Hacking Collective Declares 'Operation Blitzkrieg' Against Neo-Nazi Websites | Southern Poverty Law Center

[larvidchr]

watering down the thread Lars

two wrongs do not a right make .

Correct I absolutely agree Mid, but a single minded crusade against just a small selected part of a much bigger complex problem, is not the solution or real debate, rather it suggests being a part of the problem Mid.

[Mid]

reading the constitution reveals the numerous instances of the chairman being the sole authority

http://www.bnp.org.uk/sites/default/...n_19.10.11.pdf


All Hail the Chairman .....................

[larvidchr]

Anyway I am not even going to try competing with you in posting links to this that and the other, a Man got to know when he is fighting a loosing battle I was just trying to make a point Mid.

[larvidchr]

Here is a sane voice (a former staunch liberal) explaining some of the reasons why radicalization is on the rise and nationalism is having fairer wind these days.

About 4,45 in the point is made.

[can123]

I am proud to say that I was a friend of Sir Oswald Moseley's personal secretary. He didn't force his views on anybody else but I was lucky enough to be made to understand why his beliefs were formed.

I am not racist myself. When you have met as many disgusting white people as I have, being prejudiced against a man simply because of the colour of his skin is absurd.

My principal regret is that I did not question him more closely as I am sure that I would have learned a great deal more. Obviously, he's dead now. It was fashionable to call him over and many abused him personally at every opportunity. I have to say that he was a very nice man.

The point of what I have written above is to illustrate just how complex people's beliefs can be, and how ignorance leads to hate. I understood fully why he believed as he did, and because I was open-minded and interested in learning, he was prepared to talk to me and not to the others who were aggressive due to their own ignorance.

It would be nice to think that there would be a sensible, polite and informed discussion on this thread. Sadly, I don't think we are going to get it.

[dobella]

^ Larv, the top one - Gathering Storm the guy doing his piece was fantastic in that he never looked at any notes and just spoke from his heart.
He should be a politician because he knew his stuff and came across so well unlike many 'politicians'.
He said he was speaking from the UK but i noted a hint of Aussie in his voice, any idea who is is ?.
Top man. - are you seeing this Mid ?

[larvidchr]

^ Larv, the top one - Gathering Storm the guy doing his piece was fantastic in that he never looked at any notes and just spoke from his heart.
He should be a politician because he knew his stuff and came across so well unlike many 'politicians'.
He said he was speaking from the UK but i noted a hint of Aussie in his voice, any idea who is is ?.
Top man. - are you seeing this Mid ?

His name is Pat Condell British to the core and in Britain, IMHO a voice of the sane people, but he is strongly disliked by many to be fair.

You can find more here - Pat Condell - YouTube

[Mid]

What I'm seeing is a small minority of racial bigots with a representative who publicly despises mixed race children and display the ignorance of suggesting the athletes of the parra Olympics are to be despised .