GOP and Democratic National Conventions 2012

**Boon Mee** · 01-09-2012, 05:53 AM

The RNC must have been a success 'cause Chris Matthews of MSNBC fame had a major meltdown when it was over!

Unstable MSNBC Host in Angry Restaurant Confrontation.

Too beautiful for words!

**koman** · 01-09-2012, 06:59 AM

I think it's my moral duty as a non-American, non-Republican, non-Democrat to bring attention to the fact that the principle difference between Romney and Obama is simply that Romney has firmly grasped the idea that lots more money going out than what is coming in, is just not a good way to keep doing things.

You libbies can write volumes about the horrors of foreign wars, abortion funding, wars on women, racial inequality, immigration and the evils of oil pipelines.......but unless you can bring yourselves to admit to this simple fact.......you are going to wind up like the Greeks. I think there are many Greeks who now wish they had listened to my well intentioned advise years ago...

Of course if you really are enjoying that "hope and change" stuff...and wish to be just like the Greeks.....feel free to vote Obama back in so he can shoot for a 25 Trillion debt.. and maybe even 20% official unemployment...

**Humbert** · 01-09-2012, 07:14 AM

^Obama's plan gets the US to fiscal solvency faster than the Ryan plan but it includes tax increases on the 1% richest Americans. Both Democrats and Republicans understand the looming fiscal crisis but have different approaches to fixing the probem. The Republicans want to lower taxes for the rich and strip away funding for Medicare, education, the environment and abolish the affordable care act while increasing military spending.

**Boon Mee** · 01-09-2012, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

^Obama's plan gets the US to fiscal solvency faster than the Ryan plan but it includes tax increases

To paraphrase - those are tired, old big government ideas. We know he didn't slow the rise of the oceans or heal the planet either...

**koman** · 01-09-2012, 09:36 AM

^

Well that's the never ending argument....who's plan will do what to whom. Anybody can have a plan, but if they don't implement it, or if they don't understand the processes it won't matter much how good the plan sounds to the party faithful. or how creative the number crunchers have been at producing figures to support it.

All the so called plans are just political bullshit to win votes.. but
Romney at least has a track record in the world of business. He has been successful at something. Obama has never held down a real job in his entire life. He truly believes that only government creates wealth and employment...and apparently belives that individuals should be held back from getting too successful. Much better to punish their success and take their money away so it can be given out to others for whom success is figuring out creative ways to get free stuff.

I just hope Obama looses cause he plays golf and actually makes Carter look good....oh, and his wife is trying to get kids to eat Tofu instead or Mars bars....

**Zooheekock** · 01-09-2012, 09:42 AM

Romney has been enormously successful at creating debt: that was his business. Matt Taibbi has a great article in Rolling Stone on this Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital | Politics News | Rolling Stone He was also on Democracy Now either yesterday or the day talking about this. Well worth watching.

**sabang** · 01-09-2012, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

To paraphrase - those are tired, old big government ideas.

Hardly- you've been thru' the era of 'Deficits don't matter' and the failed Bush tax cuts. Now you've ended up with a totally predictable debt problem, exacerbated by the GFC. Responsible economic housekeeping is neither tired or old- but voodonomics is. Pay your Bills.

**Humbert** · 01-09-2012, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by koman

but Romney at least has a track record in the world of business.

Here's a heads up for you - the US government is not a business. This silly mantra about needing a business leader gave us the tragic Bush presidency. If you want corporations to run America more than they are already then Romney is your man but as you said you are not American and you are only excercising your moral duty to warn us for which you have our undying gratitude .

**koman** · 01-09-2012, 09:58 AM

^

You'r kidding right? Any story in Rolling Stone that includes the word "true" is immediately suspect.....Ie. The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain.......

Typical liberal approach. Takeovers of failing companies to restructure them, downsize and save them, is considered bad form in the protected world of government dependent folks, second class actors and a few tenured academics.

Much better to dump tons of government (tax payer) money into them to keep them afloat until they can fail properly, and in a more spectacular fashion where they can cost everbody tons of money....

**koman** · 01-09-2012, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by koman

but Romney at least has a track record in the world of business.

Here's a heads up for you - the US government is not a business. This silly mantra about needing a business leader gave us the tragic Bush presidency. If you want corporations to run America more than they are already then Romney is your man but as you said you are not American and you are only excercising your moral duty to warn us for which you have our undying gratitude .

You'r right; the US government is NOT a business, but that does not mean that sound business principles should not be applied in running it. If you look around a bit you will notice that many governments have run into serious trouble by ignoring basic business principles.....and those that have adhered to those same principles seem to be doing rather well by comparison.

It does not matter is it's an individual, family, small business, big business or country.....there are certain fundamentals that need to be kept in focus.....

Anyhow I'm off to Bumrungrad for a bit of surgery......I just hope the surgeon is a good Republican type.....

**Humbert** · 01-09-2012, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by koman

You'r right; the US government is NOT a business, but that does not mean that sound business principles should not be applied in running it. If you look around a bit you will notice that many governments have run into serious trouble by ignoring basic business principles.....

An oversimplification. Management principles are a more apt term. Business implies a run for profit entity which the government is not.

**chassamui** · 01-09-2012, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by koman

He truly believes that only government creates wealth and employment.

Given the size and global influence of US economics it would seem common sense to balance government stimulus and infrastructure with the encouragement of SME which is the real engine for growth. At the same time reining in the wilder excesses of large corporations. Big business is not all bad or corrupt by the way.
That a democrat president has been unsuccessful with this plan is down to lack of effective prioritisation by the democrats, and spiteful self interest on the part of republicans.

**robuzo** · 01-09-2012, 10:55 AM

^The Republicans aren't against government stimulus, they just think it should take the form of military spending and corporate welfare, such as subsidies for big oil, big ag, and big pharma. They are not SME-friendly; they really only care about multinationals and banks. The Democrats aren't much better, although affordable universal healthcare would take a lot of pressure of people wanting to start a small business or work as independent contractors.

**barbaro** · 01-09-2012, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham

^ The dems call Clint's speech a big gaffe. I thought it was amusing. And, erm, Clint ain't in public office, unlike the gaffe-o-rama dumbo king, Joe Biden.

I thought it was not only silly but stupid.

He's an actor and director. He ain't one of us.

Comedy schtick?

Clint talking about "jobs" and the lack of them.

What does that have to do with the Presidential office?

It just reinforces the fact that Conventions are for the shallow and stupid.

**slackula** · 01-09-2012, 12:28 PM

Eastwood is pro-choice, supports aggressive environmental regulation, is pretty much okay with people shagging whoever they want in the privacy of their own homes, and opposed the Iraq war. As we learned last night, he also supports getting out of Afghanistan immediately, which puts him slightly to the peacenik side of Obama and as far away as possible from Romney, who is on record as wanting to maintain a troop presence there indefinitely.

What if he'd given the most cogent, lucid, well-scripted speech in the history of oratory? He was still a very strange choice to put on stage as your big surprise Romney endorser.

**raycarey** · 01-09-2012, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Eastwood is pro-choice, supports aggressive environmental regulation, is pretty much okay with people shagging whoever they want in the privacy of their own homes, and opposed the Iraq war.

truth be told and political consequences be damned, romney likely believes all this too.

.

btw, here's all the background info you'll need on the eastwood disaster:

basically it was romney's idea.... eastwood was given carte blanche---no rehearsals, no script approval, no guidelines on style or format.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/01/us...h.html?_r=1&hp

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heckuva job, willard.

**barbaro** · 01-09-2012, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

btw, here's all the background info you'll need on the eastwood disaster:

As usual it depends on one's "position" and party affiliation, but I thought that Clint Eastwookd was an embarrassment.

And a fool.

And 82 year ol' fool.

**Humbert** · 02-09-2012, 06:19 AM

The only time Eastwood was ever funny was in his movie 'Every Which Way But Loose" in which he was upstaged by an orangutan. He should stick to sentimental dramas because comedy is clearly not his forte.

**Boon Mee** · 02-09-2012, 09:40 AM

Heh...can't wait to see/hear all the hate & vitrol coming out during the DNC!

A primer:

They can’t help themselves; the Democrats are angry, frustrated and scared, and the list of speakers they are trotting out reveals that they are more desperate than ever. Let’s take a look at these attack dogs (with a brief example of their gentle demeanors):

John Kerry, attacking the United States:

Each day to facilitate the process by which the United States washes her hands of Vietnam, someone has to give up his life so that the United States doesn’t have to admit something that the entire world already knows … so that we can't say that we’ve made a mistake.

Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, insinuating Republicans are racist:

When you have a party that says coded things, that makes totally false ads up, falsely saying the president is trying to undo welfare reform, I think you're going to see a lot of heavily and not-so-subtly coded messages from the Romney-Ryan campaign.

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, 1996, referring to people who had betrayed his boss Bill Clinton in 1992:

Suddenly Emanuel grabbed his steak knife and, as those who were there remember it, shouted out the name of another enemy, lifted the knife, then brought it down with full force into the table. 'Dead!' he screamed. The group immediately joined in the cathartic release: ''Nat Landow! Dead! Cliff Jackson! Dead! Bill Schaefer! Dead!'

Nancy Pelosi, speaking of enforcing immigration laws: “I think it’s un-American.”

It's going to be one giant meltdown

**Norton** · 02-09-2012, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by barbaro

As usual it depends on one's "position" and party affiliation, but I thought that Clint Eastwood was an embarrassment. And a fool.

Plenty of these spouting nonsense regardless of party affiliation.
Expect to see same, same but different when the Dem jamboree starts next week.

At least Clint gave the jamboree an unintended but comedic interlude.

By the end of the Dem jamboree, Clint will be a minor footnote and new hair on fire "issues" will emerge.

**barbaro** · 02-09-2012, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

Expect to see same, same but different when the Dem jamboree starts next week.

Yes, there will definitely be plenty more to come.

**sabang** · 04-09-2012, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

the Democrats are angry, frustrated and scared

Now that, ladies and gentleman, is a textbook case of projection.

Originally Posted by Norton

Clint will be a minor footnote

aka an Epitaph? The GOP conference certainly failed to impress- but it matters nowt.

**Boon Mee** · 04-09-2012, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

the Democrats are angry, frustrated and scared

Now that, ladies and gentleman, is a textbook case of projection.

Heh...how come they are having a hard time giving away tickets to the DNC then?

Plus this:

Pelosi Refuses to Condemn Dem Leader Who Compared Paul Ryan to Nazi Propagandist

Minority leader Nancy Pelosi refused to condemn the leader of the Democratic Party in California after he just compared Paul Ryan to a Nazi propagandist while she was standing right there.

http://www.menrec.com/2012/09/video-...o-condemn.html

**Butterfly** · 04-09-2012, 09:28 AM

Clint apparently made of a fool of himself in the RNC,

he was among fools, so nothing to worry for his reputation

quite sad to see an old man lose it like that, publicly

**Boon Mee** · 04-09-2012, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Clint apparently made of a fool of himself in the RNC,

Heh...not really. The Empty Chair thing has gone viral. Almost like the "You Didn't Build That" meme which is annoying the fuck out of the Obamabots.

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