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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert
    How about the billions used to prop up the defense industry?
    Military spending is never wasteful, and also through the magic of Republicanomics, doesn't ever contribute to the national debt!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Oh, I just gotta share this. An impassioned plea to vote for Romney, from the right:-


    VOTE ROMNEY AND SAVE THE REPUBLIC!!!

    No previous election has ever held the fate of the nation in its hands since the reelection of Abraham Lincoln in the midst of the Civil War. If Obama is elected, he will continue his agenda to drive this nation to the point of financial collapse and leave behind millions of Americans without jobs or any hope for the future.
    And that includes the liberal retards who will vote for him in an election that is, according to the pundits, too close to call. There is something terribly frightening to contemplate that half the voters will vote to continue his planned destruction and his potential for declaring himself President for Life. He is the classic tyrant.

    ... I could cite many other reasons to defeat Obama, but there are two that stand out from all the others. He is a Communist. Raised, nurtured, and mentored by Communists; a friend to Communists; an enemy of Capitalism.
    He is a LIAR and a pathological narcissist, indifferent to the political process of negotiation and compromise; indifferent to the fate of millions of Americans from the very young to the very old.
    He does not like America.
    The fate of the nation lies in the hands of “independents” who are uncommitted to either political party. The Democratic Party has become the pawn of Socialists who would turn the nation into a Communist nanny state.

    The Freedom Fighter's Journal


    That should swing a few "independent" votes.
    smart one there, and still daring to use Anne Coulter "retard" on top of it...

    The right is off their collective rocker...

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro View Post
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    See, this is the problem in America. People are told to look at the abuses in the systems which actually help people who need them so as to (1) get people angry - notice how "entitlement" programs has become pejorative? and (2) it is the same slight of hand a magician uses to fool the audience - while everyone is chasing welfare queens, there are not enough IRS agents to catch the real abuse - people scamming the government for 100s of thousands of dollars of taxes, even millions, be it outright fraud and mis-reporting or aggressive (ie: not actually legal) tax shelters.
    IMO, the term "Entitlements" is not pejorative.

    It's the way they have been poorly planned and mismanaged for decades.

    Entitlements are now one of the biggest problems the US has, and it be one of the factors the US really declines.

    Welfare Queens never really existed. There were a few yes, but in the big picture it's the tens, and tens, and tens of million received various entitlements.

    So what is the problem?

    77+ million baby boomer are now getting on the rolls everyday. 10,000 boomer per day enroll in Medicare.

    Medicare is the ticking time bomb no one talks about.

    As for Food Stamps, it helps some people in need. No doubt about it. I'm all for it.

    But since GWB changed the rules, tens of millions have been added because of GWB and Obama.

    It's bizarre. Weird. Odd.
    for many people today "entitlement" programs has become pejorative. I'm glad it is not for you. Welfare should also not be pejorative, as it is a very positive term.

    In general, when it comes to government largess, most of it goes to corporations, not to people in need. This is a simple result of the fact that corporations lobby government for all kinds of goodies, and eventually they get them. It's not new, it's been going on for a long time.

    IMO, we need much less corporate welfare & much more citizen welfare. Corporations will look after themselves and their own interests - it is what they are designed to do in the first place. People, however, don't have the same resources and actually do need help when things go south.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLansford View Post
    In general, when it comes to government largess, most of it goes to corporations, not to people in need. This is a simple result of the fact that corporations lobby government for all kinds of goodies, and eventually they get them. It's not new, it's been going on for a long time.

    IMO, we need much less corporate welfare & much more citizen welfare. Corporations will look after themselves and their own interests - it is what they are designed to do in the first place. People, however, don't have the same resources and actually do need help when things go south.
    Yes, the Corporate welfare is big and bad. Military-Industrial Complex is one example of many.

    Here what I found today. People that ignore this are in fantasy land. The Boomers will get theirs and more. And those behind them will be f*cked.

    As Washington turns in the coming weeks from the presidential election to the long-term debt issues facing the nation, the discussions will center on whether the country can afford programs such as Social Security and Medicare in their current form.

    So far, these debates have focused little on how potential cuts in federal benefits may affect retirement for younger generations of workers who already are seeing employers shrink their safety nets.

    The confluence of events is creating a dichotomy in the nation’s workforce and a massive burden for the country that will not be fully evident until the next generation approaches retirement.

    “We have a looming retirement-income crisis in this country,”
    said Diane Oakley, executive director of the National Institute on Retirement Security. “The problem is we won’t see the ultimate brunt of it until 30 years down the road when it is too late to do something about it.”
    Entire: Young workers’ retirement hopes grow bleaker amid economic downturn - The Washington Post
    ............

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    Social security tax is only deducted from the first $100,000 or so from wages. If that is raised to a higher level, say $200,000, the problem of benefits not being available to upcoming generations would be solved.

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    ^When I lived in the US I used to have my contribution complete by about July every year. It was like getting a raise for the remaining months of the year. I reckon that would be a feasible solution but it would not be an easy sell.

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    ^ I maxed mine out during the year also when I worked in the States, though the cut off wasn't as high as it is now. It goes up every year anyway, doesn't it?

    This is one of the things which bothers me when people say lower incomes individuals don't pay any taxes. They pay social security and a much larger percentage of their income than the wealthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    ^ I maxed mine out during the year also when I worked in the States, though the cut off wasn't as high as it is now. It goes up every year anyway, doesn't it?

    This is one of the things which bothers me when people say lower incomes individuals don't pay any taxes. They pay social security and a much larger percentage of their income than the wealthy.
    "much larger percentage of their income than the wealthy"

    correct.

    In addition to Buffet's secretary paying a higher marginal tax on her last $ earned than M. Buffet does, the low-paid workers carry their fair share of the load through payroll taxes.

    Yet the right wants to, ... aw he11 - never mind. Let's see who wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TLansford View Post
    In general, when it comes to government largess, most of it goes to corporations, not to people in need. This is a simple result of the fact that corporations lobby government for all kinds of goodies, and eventually they get them. It's not new, it's been going on for a long time.

    IMO, we need much less corporate welfare & much more citizen welfare. Corporations will look after themselves and their own interests - it is what they are designed to do in the first place. People, however, don't have the same resources and actually do need help when things go south.
    Yes, the Corporate welfare is big and bad. Military-Industrial Complex is one example of many.

    Here what I found today. People that ignore this are in fantasy land. The Boomers will get theirs and more. And those behind them will be f*cked.

    As Washington turns in the coming weeks from the presidential election to the long-term debt issues facing the nation, the discussions will center on whether the country can afford programs such as Social Security and Medicare in their current form.

    So far, these debates have focused little on how potential cuts in federal benefits may affect retirement for younger generations of workers who already are seeing employers shrink their safety nets.

    The confluence of events is creating a dichotomy in the nation’s workforce and a massive burden for the country that will not be fully evident until the next generation approaches retirement.

    “We have a looming retirement-income crisis in this country,”
    said Diane Oakley, executive director of the National Institute on Retirement Security. “The problem is we won’t see the ultimate brunt of it until 30 years down the road when it is too late to do something about it.”
    Entire: Young workers’ retirement hopes grow bleaker amid economic downturn - The Washington Post
    Social Security is not the drama that the right and some media make it out to be. It needs tweaking, not scrapping and the program will be just fine. Especially for those coming after the boomers.

    Now the issue of companies & public sector reducing pensions - that will hit retirees harder, but not uniformly, since there is not a "system" per se for pensions. It's every man for himself in the USA.

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    Just a few hours and we will be getting the first exit polls from New Hampshire. I am going to be glued to my TV or computer, and have let the house know. Leave me alone. May the better man win.
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    The first place in NH voted at midnight. It was a tie 5 votes for O and 5 for R.

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    Is that the total?

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    ^ dixville notch, NH--polls opened and closed in under a minute....literally.


    VA polls close at 7 AM thai time. it will be nearly impossible for willard to get to 270 if he can't win there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Social security tax is only deducted from the first $100,000 or so from wages. If that is raised to a higher level, say $200,000, the problem of benefits not being available to upcoming generations would be solved.
    It would not be solved, IMO.

    VAT tax?

    77+ million baby boomers living a lot longer and getting annual colas.

    And these people being taxed on the SS payroll tax won't see a dime of SS.

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    Just watching a report on the news saying Pensylvania is in play and that the Dems have taken there eye off the ball there and Romney is going to win and coupled with Ohio we are all going to wake up tomorrow morning with Willard as president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post
    Mitt Romney has lost his campaign for president as of yesterday (officially ).

    Don’t need to show any polls with this post. Next week we’ll hear from the republican party that their candidate lost because of Sandy, but the real reason the republican party lost is because they selected Mitt Romney to represent them.

    Romney is/was and always will be an awful politician/person.

    Character matters

    ya can read them like a book,.fuckin' simpletons


    The Romney camp, as well as surrogates like Haley Barbour and Karl Rove, are pushing the excuse for Romney’s loss on Hurricane Sandy, which they claim stalled out the otherwise-unstoppable Mittmentum.: Conservatives Blaming Romney's Pre-Existing Stall (and Looming Loss) on Sandy | MyFDL
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    So much interest in a country that professes to be truly democratic, yet each and every Senator or Congresperson elected are Millionaires. It has the highest percentage of prisioners of any country in the world. It has over 40 million living in exterme poverty. What can be done to solve that. Imagine what wonderful achivements could be made if its Government stopped Military spending, war mongering, and military interference in the affairs of other nations which i believe would bring about a more peaceful planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Just watching a report on the news saying Pensylvania is in play and that the Dems have taken there eye off the ball there and Romney is going to win and coupled with Ohio we are all going to wake up tomorrow morning with Willard as president.
    The polls are ALL OVER THE PLACE.

    From tight Romney win, to tight Obama win to landslides by both.

    We shall see.

    It will be interesting.

    PA is possible for Romney; OH is possible.

    Gonna be one to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    Just watching a report on the news saying Pensylvania is in play and that the Dems have taken there eye off the ball there and Romney is going to win and coupled with Ohio we are all going to wake up tomorrow morning with Willard as president.
    i can only assume you're watching fox or perhaps a hyper-conservative pundit on another channel, because this is little more than a GOP talking point.

    the only reason anyone is giving romney even the slightest chance of winning in PA is because there isn't 'early voting' in the commonwealth and therefore it is allegedly unaffected by the obama groundgame. and republican spinmeisters are trying to convince all and sundry that this is somehow going to win it for him.

    of course the possibility exists that romney could win PA, but all the polling data indicates that obama has at least a 3 point lead in PA.... in fact, i don't think i've ever seen a single poll which has romney ahead of obama in PA.

    let's put it this way....if romney takes PA, then he's going to win in a popular vote and electoral landslide, because it means that people all over the mid-atlantic and midwest have had a dramatic change of heart from the last few weeks/months and have suddenly decided they want to go in another direction.

    i'll believe it when i see it.

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    ^The Murdoch owned SKY news and yes obviously they were interviewing some republican during the part of the report i saw.

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    yet murdoch himself tweeted this morning that it doesn't look likely for romney.

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    my guess is that Fox will call the election for Romney in about 30 minutes.


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    ^surprised they haven't done it already.


    i just looked at drudge and he's got the black panthers up on his site with red letters....the only odd thing is that he doesn't have the siren going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    ^surprised they haven't done it already.


    i just looked at drudge and he's got the black panthers up on his site with red letters....the only odd thing is that he doesn't have the siren going.
    Fox is playing the black panther in Philly race card on their home page - real Americans those a$$holes at Fox.

    BTW, just saw that my friend and his wife in Philly were asked to present photo ID (which they had). It is not the law in PA, and they said no. They still managed to vote, but you can see the Republican efforts at voter suppression continue even up to the voting booth today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    i just looked at drudge and he's got the black panthers up on his site with red letters....the only odd thing is that he doesn't have the siren going.
    Quote Originally Posted by TLansford View Post
    Fox is playing the black panther in Philly race card on their home page - real Americans those a$$holes at Fox.
    just got in from a drive and Limbaugh is talking about the New Black Panther in Philly story but adds,.it's OK for them to intimidate people because Holder let them get away with it already


    Frightening! Careful he just might open the door for you too
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