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    Dim Mitt’s chances of winning,… 14% (today)

    It seems to have leveled off in the teens for the past few days. Dim Mitts momentum.


    I wonder how people in Dim Mitts campaign or his (big money) supporters feel knowing every morning when they wake they have already lost the race and the election (day) results aren’t even known yet.
    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

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    ^ I have been googling to get to the "Five thirty eight" site, but only get a page from 2008.

    How do I find 'five thirty eight?

    Thanks.

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    Here you are Barbs. Better look fast before this link gets trashed...

    Election Forecasts - FiveThirtyEight Blog - NYTimes.com

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    ^ Thanks bsnub,

    Lot of information, there.

    (Do you have to pay to view the NY Times? I can only view the NYT 10 times per months, and then it's blocked as they want to paid for viewing. I understand, but I'm not ready to pay - but I might in the future.)
    ............

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    Great for Romney to jump on the bi-partisan train when the Republicans have spent the last four years refusing to cooperate with Obama:

    Rivals stress differences and bipartisanship hopes - World - NZ Herald News

    In Des Moines, Romney said he would meet regularly with "good men and women on both sides of the aisle" in Congress. Later, in Cleveland, he said of Obama, "Instead of bridging the divide, he's made it wider."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    Great for Romney to jump on the bi-partisan train when the Republicans have spent the last four years refusing to cooperate with Obama:
    Funny thing about that..

    Vetoes don’t scream bipartisanship, and Romney had so many of them that it’s obvious he was on bad terms with the legislators from both parties as Governor. All told, Romney issued 800 vetoes in his one term as Governor. 800. Nearly all of them were overridden – 707 to be exact. Romney doesn’t mention that part in his “I like vetoes” ad.

    In fact, Romney didn’t like having to work with Democrats so much that he spent his first two years trying to change the party makeup of the legislature and when those efforts failed, he pulled a Palin. That is to say, he gave up. He was gone – out of state – for 212 days of his last year.



    Romney's 800 Vetoes Shatter His Bipartisan Myth


    Romney As Governor: 800 Vetoes And One Big Deal : NPR


    The inevitable "inside the Romney campaign" tell-all book written under a pseudonym by some low level staffer who got paid peanuts for months and shat on constantly is going to be hilarious.

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    For years Rethugs have been aiming a pejorative "flip-flopper!" at absolutely anyone. Now that the've painted themselves into a corner and the King of Flip Flopper's is their candidate the silence is deafening. I'm fairly certain most of them still aren't even exactly sure who/what they're voting for, I wonder how independents ever could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Great for Romney to jump on the bi-partisan train when the Republicans have spent the last four years refusing to cooperate with Obama:

    Rivals stress differences and bipartisanship hopes - World - NZ Herald News

    In Des Moines, Romney said he would meet regularly with "good men and women on both sides of the aisle" in Congress. Later, in Cleveland, he said of Obama, "Instead of bridging the divide, he's made it wider."
    The GOP has always been meaner, dirtier, more ideological, less comprimising and more organized than the Democratic party. The only way we will have bipartisanship is by the Dems caving in like they always do. When will they grow some and play the by the same rules as the right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    Do you have to pay to view the NY Times? I can only view the NYT 10 times per months, and then it's blocked as they want to paid for viewing. I understand, but I'm not ready to pay - but I might in the future.
    Just delete the NYT cookies in your cache, it's pretty fucking simple to work out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Great for Romney to jump on the bi-partisan train when the Republicans have spent the last four years refusing to cooperate with Obama:

    Rivals stress differences and bipartisanship hopes - World - NZ Herald News

    In Des Moines, Romney said he would meet regularly with "good men and women on both sides of the aisle" in Congress. Later, in Cleveland, he said of Obama, "Instead of bridging the divide, he's made it wider."
    The GOP has always been meaner, dirtier, more ideological, less comprimising and more organized than the Democratic party. The only way we will have bipartisanship is by the Dems caving in like they always do. When will they grow some and play the by the same rules as the right?
    agreed. Half the problem has been the Democrats not standing firm for their own beliefs and accepting the rules of the game and the vocabulary as defined the Republicans who are, as you say, the meaner party and wrt the economy, dead-wrong on their austerity approach.... not to mention giant give-aways to the richest of the rich.

    BTW, remember when the bush tax cuts were passed and they had to add the clause to kill them in 2010 because if even their own CBO projections predicted that they would balloon the deficit? And that was without factoring in the economic crisis... It is disingenuous at best, for Republicans to blame someone else for the deficits...

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    Seems Mitt's supporters are the people he despises. From Bloomberg Business News.

    Republican-Heavy Counties Eat Up Most Food-Stamp Growth - Bloomberg



    "Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney said in May that he’d written off votes from 47 percent of Americans who are collecting government aid. Turns out many of them are part of his political base.

    Seventy percent of counties with the fastest-growth in food stamp aid during the last four years voted for the Republican presidential candidate in 2008, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg. They include Republican strongholds like King County, Texas, which in 2008 backed Republican John McCain by 92.6 percent, his largest share in the nation; and fast-growing Douglas County, Colorado."

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    Quote Originally Posted by quimbian corholla View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    Do you have to pay to view the NY Times? I can only view the NYT 10 times per months, and then it's blocked as they want to paid for viewing. I understand, but I'm not ready to pay - but I might in the future.
    Just delete the NYT cookies in your cache, it's pretty fucking simple to work out.
    Thanks, I will try this.

    If I cannot handle it, I'll go to the computer room for help.

    Thanks, QC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imminent View Post
    Seems Mitt's supporters are the people he despises. From Bloomberg Business News.
    I've never heard Romney say or write he "despsies" people on food stamps.

    Please show us the quote/speech/writing:

    The Food Stand Issue is very OLD.

    It started under GWB. GWB's nickname was actually the "food stamp President."

    And it continued and got worse under Obama.

    For the record, as an American - where are you from? - Food stamps are one of the biggest scams in the US.

    And in recent years, it's been mainstream: radio ads, speeches, advertisements saying,

    "Hey you may qualify....go to so-and -so."

    Do you know the specifics of food stamp policy?

    Please answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro View Post

    For the record, as an American - where are you from? - Food stamps are one of the biggest scams in the US.

    And in recent years, it's been mainstream: radio ads, speeches, advertisements saying,

    "Hey you may qualify....go to so-and -so."

    Do you know the specifics of food stamp policy?

    Please answer.
    Sure, there are people who cash them at dodgy convenience stores, but not reason to say the whole program is a scam. The big scam, in my opinion, is how much of the SNAP dollars go to the cola and candy giants as well as Walmart.

    Check the USDA website about eligibility for SNAP.

    Eligibility

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Imminent View Post
    Seems Mitt's supporters are the people he despises. From Bloomberg Business News.
    I've never heard Romney say or write he "despsies" people on food stamps.

    Please show us the quote/speech/writing:

    The Food Stand Issue is very OLD.

    It started under GWB. GWB's nickname was actually the "food stamp President."

    And it continued and got worse under Obama.

    For the record, as an American - where are you from? - Food stamps are one of the biggest scams in the US.

    And in recent years, it's been mainstream: radio ads, speeches, advertisements saying,

    "Hey you may qualify....go to so-and -so."

    Do you know the specifics of food stamp policy?

    Please answer.
    "Food stamps are one of the biggest scams in the US."

    See, this is the problem in America. People are told to look at the abuses in the systems which actually help people who need them so as to (1) get people angry - notice how "entitlement" programs has become pejorative? and (2) it is the same slight of hand a magician uses to fool the audience - while everyone is chasing welfare queens, there are not enough IRS agents to catch the real abuse - people scamming the government for 100s of thousands of dollars of taxes, even millions, be it outright fraud and mis-reporting or aggressive (ie: not actually legal) tax shelters.

    For those interested, David Cay Johnston has done some excellent investigative reporting on issues like these.

    David Cay Johnston - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And here is an example which will be relevant until at least tomorrow :

    David Cay Johnston: Romneys Were Able To Give Sons $100 Million Tax Free

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    Barbaro, Romney doesn't despise anyone. Don't take it so literally. Hopefully Mitt Romney can give the rich more cash in hand and cut off the food stamp program so those on it will earn their food. Soon the 47% won't be sucking the government tit and all of America's problems will be solved or else Romney will really crash the American economy by lowering taxes and not cutting programs.



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    Oh, I just gotta share this. An impassioned plea to vote for Romney, from the right:-


    VOTE ROMNEY AND SAVE THE REPUBLIC!!!

    No previous election has ever held the fate of the nation in its hands since the reelection of Abraham Lincoln in the midst of the Civil War. If Obama is elected, he will continue his agenda to drive this nation to the point of financial collapse and leave behind millions of Americans without jobs or any hope for the future.
    And that includes the liberal retards who will vote for him in an election that is, according to the pundits, too close to call. There is something terribly frightening to contemplate that half the voters will vote to continue his planned destruction and his potential for declaring himself President for Life. He is the classic tyrant.

    ... I could cite many other reasons to defeat Obama, but there are two that stand out from all the others. He is a Communist. Raised, nurtured, and mentored by Communists; a friend to Communists; an enemy of Capitalism.
    He is a LIAR and a pathological narcissist, indifferent to the political process of negotiation and compromise; indifferent to the fate of millions of Americans from the very young to the very old.
    He does not like America.
    The fate of the nation lies in the hands of “independents” who are uncommitted to either political party. The Democratic Party has become the pawn of Socialists who would turn the nation into a Communist nanny state.

    The Freedom Fighter's Journal


    That should swing a few "independent" votes.

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    There is something terribly frightening to contemplate that half the voters will vote to continue his planned destruction and his potential for declaring himself President for Life. He is the classic tyrant.
    It's even more frightening to contemplate that there are actually people in existence that truly believe that Obama is actively working to 'destroy the US'. Beyond frightening really, it's a pretty bleak outlook that such stupidity exists much less seems to be growing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    It's even more frightening to contemplate that there are actually people in existence that truly believe that Obama is actively working to 'destroy the US'. Beyond frightening really, it's a pretty bleak outlook that such stupidity exists much less seems to be growing
    indeed, quite scary. The stupidity of the people should never be underestimated, they love to choose tyrants. Make you wonder what's worse, a voluntary dictatorship chosen by democracy, or one chosen by God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLansford View Post
    See, this is the problem in America. People are told to look at the abuses in the systems which actually help people who need them so as to (1) get people angry - notice how "entitlement" programs has become pejorative? and (2) it is the same slight of hand a magician uses to fool the audience - while everyone is chasing welfare queens, there are not enough IRS agents to catch the real abuse - people scamming the government for 100s of thousands of dollars of taxes, even millions, be it outright fraud and mis-reporting or aggressive (ie: not actually legal) tax shelters.
    IMO, the term "Entitlements" is not pejorative.

    It's the way they have been poorly planned and mismanaged for decades.

    Entitlements are now one of the biggest problems the US has, and it be one of the factors the US really declines.

    Welfare Queens never really existed. There were a few yes, but in the big picture it's the tens, and tens, and tens of million received various entitlements.

    So what is the problem?

    77+ million baby boomer are now getting on the rolls everyday. 10,000 boomer per day enroll in Medicare.

    Medicare is the ticking time bomb no one talks about.

    As for Food Stamps, it helps some people in need. No doubt about it. I'm all for it.

    But since GWB changed the rules, tens of millions have been added because of GWB and Obama.

    It's bizarre. Weird. Odd.

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    How about the billions used to prop up the defense industry? I guess we need acres and acres of tanks that we will never use. Taking care of the aged is somehow a big problem while we continue to throw money at a bloated military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    How about the billions used to prop up the defense industry? I guess we need acres and acres of tanks that we will never use. Taking care of the aged is somehow a big problem while we continue to throw money at a bloated military.
    I suppose if they made being over 70 a felony there would be plenty of room in the private prison system.

    I guess the problem is that senescence doesn't stimulate the economy so it's not worth bothering with. War and Punishment on the other hand...

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    ^^^ People's wages have declined compared to inflation. McJobs don't pay high wages and they don't pay for healthcare. Taxpayers are footing the bill for workers of corporations paying minimum wages and hiring only part time to get out of paying benefits. Good manufacturing jobs for these people are gone overseas and small local owned retail businesses are crushed by the giants.

    Medicare enrollment is up, but what other choice do those people have? Health care is insanely expensive as well as insurance premiums. Insurance companies have been allowed to pick and chose who they want to insure, pushing others on to the government and therefore the taxpayers.

    It is easy for me to see why so many people are on entitlements now. With the dearth of jobs paying enough to provide for their families and medical care being so expensive, I don't see they have any other choice until those problems are solved first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    It is easy for me to see why so many people are on entitlements now. With the dearth of jobs paying enough to provide for their families and medical care being so expensive, I don't see they have any other choice until those problems are solved first.
    What's wrong with 70 year old waitresses tottering around spilling your coffee?
    Keep the old free loaders working until they are in the grave.

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    Yes, Republicans want people to work for nothing all their lives, then have the resources to retire, pay the doctor, the food bill, and housing costs.

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