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|10-10-2012, 12:00 AM||#1201 (permalink)|
I don't know
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This poll might be skewed....just a little.
It's not valid.
Boon? Ya listening?
I do assume the Romney will get a good share of military votes because like previous candidates (GWB for example) he offering some perks to them.
GWB promised a raise of X percent.
Election years = welfare and entitlements largess.
Both sides do it and it's a disgrace.
That said, lots of lower income and non-Anglos in the miltary and I think many will be Obama voters.
|10-10-2012, 10:22 AM||#1202 (permalink)|
|10-10-2012, 12:28 PM||#1204 (permalink)|
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Enjoy your moment in the sun Boon. The next debate is town hall style where Romney will have to (gasp) interact with voters.
Not his strong suit. I predict that he will lose ground and that only FOX news will declare him the winner or if not they will declare all polls to be a left wing media conspiracy. (again) Hello Sean Hannity.
|11-10-2012, 05:53 AM||#1205 (permalink)|
Just another example of what a fine man Mitt Romney is:
“I NEED A NEW PRESIDENT.”
Jane Horton began crying on the other end of the phone when she learned that Mitt Romney had been using the story of her husband, Chris Horton, who was killed in Afghanistan, as a part of his stump speech.
“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.” -- Wm. Buckley
|11-10-2012, 06:22 AM||#1206 (permalink)|
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And just to be fair and balanced there was this one:
"I don't trust Romney. He shouldn't make my son's death part of his political agenda," she told WHDH. "It's wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama.”
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney will no longer bring up Glen Doherty, a former Navy SEAL killed in the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya, the campaign said Wednesday in response to a complaint from Doherty's mother.
|13-10-2012, 07:21 AM||#1209 (permalink)|
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A local Poll- in this case covering the Tampa Bay area in Fla- returns an anomaly, as local Polls often might. The RW blogosphere of course jumps on it, as living proof that Romney will win (or more to the point, Obama will lose).
Meanwhile the authoritative Huffpo 'Poll of Polls'- which aggregates many different pollsters nationwide, tells a slightly different story-
Obama leads nationally by 253 vs 206 to Romney. Of the toss-up states, Obama only needs either Fla or Ohio, and it's in the bag. I expect we'll see a post debate bounce for Obama too, much as we saw a bounce for Romney after the first debate. The silence is deafening from the Right (most unusual for them ). Now hold your breath, until booner says- 'libbie'.
|14-10-2012, 07:35 AM||#1210 (permalink)|
Romney crowds are surging after his record debate performance last week
Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney looks at the crowd after arriving to a campaign rally at the U.S. Cellular Center on Thursday, Oct. 11, 2012 in Asheville, N.C
The Neverending Line to See Mitt Romney Part 2 - YouTube
The crowds tell the story. As Election Day nears, Mitt Romney is drawing large and excited throngs.Americans are anxious to get a view of the next President of the United States.
As Election Day nears, Romney crowds are surging - FOX19.com-Cincinnati News, Weather & Sports
|14-10-2012, 08:25 PM||#1212 (permalink)|
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How’s Dim Mitt doing with Latins?
Something interesting from 538 today: Oct. 13: Arizona and the Spanish-Speaking Vote - NYTimes.com
How much of an impact might this make? On Saturday, I ran an alternate version of the FiveThirtyEight simulation in which I assumed that Mr. Obama would in fact win Hispanic voters by 50 percentage points, his edge in the Latino Decisions poll, as opposed to the roughly 35-point margin he’s had on average in polls that were conducted in English only.
However, the adjustment increased Mr. Obama’s win probability in Colorado to 57 percent from 44 percent, in Florida to 53 percent from 35 percent, and in Nevada to 77 percent from 62 percent. It even helped him slightly in Virginia, where about 5 percent of voters identified as Hispanic in 2008 exit polls.
Overall, Mr. Obama’s chances of winning the Electoral College rose to 69 percent from 63 percent.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
|16-10-2012, 07:05 AM||#1213 (permalink)|
Change We Can Believe In!
Women in swing states are shifting to Mitt:
A new USA/Gallup poll shows that women are shifting to Romney in 12 critical swing states, putting the Republican ticket in the lead overall, 50 to 46 percent.
|16-10-2012, 07:14 AM||#1214 (permalink)|
But, but when you give your own money to charity that's like greedy or something so just shut up!
Taxes, charity cost Romney 57.9 percent of income.
“With President Obama expected to use his second-chance debate this week to portray Mitt Romney as an uncaring rich guy, a new analysis of the GOP candidate’s wealth shows that the millionaire was so generous that he kept just 42 percent of his income.”
Well, that'll be another narrative- fail for Bath House Barry then, eh?
|16-10-2012, 08:27 AM||#1215 (permalink)|
An exclusive Tampa Bay Times/Bay News 9 statewide poll shows many Hispanic voters dropping their support for Obama.
|18-10-2012, 02:31 AM||#1216 (permalink)|
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Dim Mitt told 31 myths; in his awful performance, at last nights debate.
1) “I want to make sure we keep our Pell grant program growing. We’re also going to have our loan program, so that people are able to afford school.” Paul Ryan’s budget could cut Pell Grants for nearly 1 million college students and even Romney’s white paper on education, “A Chance for Every Child,” suggests that he “would reverse the growth in Pell Grant funding.” It says: “A Romney Administration will refocus Pell Grant dollars on the students that need them most and place the program on a responsible long-term path that avoids future funding cliffs and last-minute funding patches.”
2) “I put out a five-point plan that gets America 12 million new jobs in four years and rising take-home pay.” The Washington Post’s in-house fact checker tore Romney’s claim that he will create 12 million jobs to shreds. The Post wrote that the “‘new math’” in Romney’s plan “doesn’t add up.” In awarding the claim four Pinocchios — the most untrue possible rating, the Post expressed incredulity at the fact Romney would personally stand behind such a flawed, baseless claim.
3) “And the president’s right in terms of the additional oil production, but none of it came on federal land. As a matter of fact, oil production is down 14 percent this year on federal land, and gas production was down 9 percent.” 14 percent is a one-year number. “Overall, oil production on federal land under Obama is up from 566 million barrels in 2008 to 626 million barrels in 2011, a 10.6 percent increase.” Compared to the last three years of President Bush, there have been 241 million more barrels of oil produced from public lands in the first three years of Obama.
4) “Because the president cut in half the number of licenses and permits for drilling on federal lands, and in federal waters.” There are slightly fewer permits in 2009 and 2010, from between 8,000-9,000 permits to over 5,000, and they have not been cut by half. The oil and gas industry is sitting on 7,000 approved permits to drill, where it hasn’t begun exploring or developing. Two-thirds of “acreage leased by [oil] industry lies idle” on public lands, according to the Department of the Interior.
5) “I believe very much in our renewable capabilities; ethanol, wind, solar will be an important part of our energy mix.” Romney is actually against a one-year renewal of the wind production tax credit. The wind production tax credit has led to $14 billion of investment in 2011 and tens of thousands of American jobs.
6) “And coal, coal production is not up; coal jobs are not up.” 1,500 coal jobs have been created under Obama.
7) “And if we do that, if we do what I’m planning on doing, which is getting us energy independent, North America energy independence within eight years.” Romney would actually eliminate the fuel efficiency standards that are moving the United States towards energy independence, even though his campaign plan relies on these rules to meet his goals.
8) “I will fight to create more energy in this country, to get America energy secure. And part of that is bringing in a pipeline of oil from Canada.” Even with generous assumptions, the impact of the pipeline on oil prices is unclear and may raise prices in midwest states. After all, a lot of that refined tar sands crude will be sold on the international market.
9) “The proof of whether a [energy] strategy is working or not is what the price is that you’re paying at the pump. If you’re paying less than you paid a year or two ago, why, then, the strategy is working. But you’re paying more.” Gas prices are certainly high, but oil is a global commodity, and the president has virtually no control over them. And according to the Congressional Budget Office, Romney’s proposal to increase domestic oil production would not have much impact on volatility.
10) “And I will not — I will not under any circumstances, reduce the share that’s being paid by the highest income taxpayers. And I will not, under any circumstances increase taxes on the middle-class.” As the Tax Policy Center concluded, Romney’s plan can’t both exempt middle class families from tax cuts and remain revenue neutral. “He’s promised all these things and he can’t do them all. In order for him to cover the cost of his tax cut without adding to the deficit, he’d have to find a way to raise taxes on middle income people or people making less than $200,000 a year,” the Center found.
11) “But your rate comes down and the burden also comes down on you for one more reason, and that is every middle-income taxpayer no longer will pay any tax on interest, dividends or capital gains. No tax on your savings. That makes life a lot easier.” This would actually help very few Americans. Nearly three-fourths of households that make $200,000 or less annually would get literally nothing from Romney’s tax cut, due to the simple fact that most of those households have no capital gains income. To be exact, 73.9 percent of the households upon which Romney “focused” his tax cut will see zero benefit from it.
12) “A recent study has shown the people in the middle-class will see $4,000.00 per year in higher taxes as a result of the spending and borrowing of this administration.” Romney is pointing to this study from the American Enterprise Institute. It actually found that rather than raise taxes to pay down the debt, the Obama administration’s policies — those contained directly in his budget — would reduce the share of taxes that go toward servicing the debt by $1,289.89 per taxpayer in the $100,000 to $200,000 range.
13) “Fifty-four percent of America’s workers work in businesses that are taxed as individuals. So when you bring those rates down, those small businesses are able to keep more money and hire more people.” Far less than half of the people affected by the expiration of the upper income tax cuts get any of their income at all from a small businesses. And those people could very well be receiving speaking fees or book royalties, which qualify as “small business income” but don’t have a direct impact on job creation. It’s actually hard to find a small business who think that they will be hurt if the marginal tax rate on income earned above $250,000 per year is increased.
14) “I went to a number of women’s groups and said, ‘Can you help us find folks,’ and they brought us whole binders full of women. I was proud of the fact that after I staffed my Cabinet and my senior staff, that the University of New York in Albany did a survey of all 50 states, and concluded that mine had more women in senior leadership positions than any other state in America.” Romney did not ask women groups for candidates. Instead, prior to his election, a “bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government.” They “put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions” and presented it to Romney after he was elected. A UMass-Boston study found that “the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006.”
15) “I’m going to help women in America get good work by getting a stronger economy and by supporting women in the workforce.” Romney has been uncomfortably silent on the issue of pay equity. He has refused to say whether he’d support the Paycheck Fairness Act, a bill that would allow women to sue for equal pay, and named four of the justices who voted to roll back equal pay in that Supreme Court decision as his models for any of his appointments to the federal bench.
16) “I’d just note that I don’t believe that bureaucrats in Washington should tell someone whether they can use contraceptives or not. And I don’t believe employers should tell someone whether they could have contraceptive care of not. Every woman in America should have access to contraceptives.” But back in March, Romney expressed strong support for the so-called Blunt amendment, which that would allow employers to deny contraception coverage to women. Romney also wants to defund Planned Parenthood, where 76 percent of the patients seek low-cost birth control options. Defunding the organization would make it much harder for those women to obtain contraceptives.
17) “So when you say that I wanted to take the auto industry bankrupt, you actually did. And — and I think it’s important to know that that was a process that was necessary to get those companies back on their feet, so they could start hiring more people. That was precisely what I recommend and ultimately what happened.” This is false. As Buisnessweek explains: Romney “opposed any use of taxpayer dollars to bail out the automakers, advice that President George W. Bush and Obama ignored. GM and Chrysler went through managed bankruptcies after Bush, at the end of his presidency, and later Obama provided federal funds.” “Without federal funds, GM and Chyrsler would not have survived. As former Bush aide Tony Fratto explained, “It wasn’t just that there wasn’t credit available; a lot of private equity had cash, they just weren’t giving it away.”
18) “He said that by now middle-income families would have a reduction in their health insurance premiums by $2,500 a year. It’s gone up by $2,500 a year.” Premiums have increased, though at a lower rate than before. And while the Affordable Care Act’s most important cost contentment strategies have yet to be implemented, the law is already lowering costs. 16 million seniors have received preventive benefits without deductibles or co-pays and are saving at least $3.9 billion on prescription drugs. Millions of young adults now have insurance coverage and are staying on their parent’s health care plan, insurers that spend too many premium dollars on administrative spending have refunded consumers, and states have successfully rejected dramatic premium increases.
19) “He keeps saying, ‘Look, I’ve created 5 million jobs.’ That’s after losing 5 million jobs. The entire record is such that the unemployment has not been reduced in this country.” Job creation is net positive since Obama took office in the middle of the worst recession since the great depression. Economists estimate that up to 3 million jobs were created by the stimulus alone.
20) “The kids of those that came here illegally, those kids, I think, should have a pathway to become a permanent resident of the United States and military service, for instance, is one way they would have that kind of pathway to become a permanent resident.” But Romney has promised to end President Obama’s deferred action directive, which saves some young undocumented immigrants from deportation, though he would not take away visas from people who had already received them. He has also promised to veto the DREAM Act.
21) “Now, when the president ran for office, he said that he’d put in place, in his first year, a piece of legislation — he’d file a bill in his first year that would reform our — our immigration system… He didn’t do it. He had a Democrat House and Democrat Senate, supermajority in both houses.” Senate Republicans repeatedly prevented Obama’s immigration reform efforts. The GOP actually blocked the DREAM Act from securing 60 votes to pass cloture, denying hundreds of thousands of young undocumented immigrants a path to legal status if they enrolled in college or joined the military. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) even said on the Senate floor that young people lobbying his office had wasted their time.
22) “Any investments I have over the last eight years have been managed by a blind trust. And I understand they do include investments outside the United States, including in — in Chinese companies.” Romney’s blind trust is not very blind, and includes investments in a company owned by Romney’s son.
23) “It was a terrorist attack and it took a long time for that to be told to the American people.” Obama called the Libya incident an act of “terror” the very next day. “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for,” he said. “Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.”
24) “Consider the distance between ourselves and — and Israel, the president said that — that he was going to put daylight between us and Israel.” The Israeli Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister, Ehud Barak, told CNN, “President Obama is doing … more than anything that I can remember in the past [in regard to our security].”
25) “The president’s policies throughout the Middle East began with an apology tour and — and — and pursue a strategy of leading from behind, and this strategy is unraveling before our very eyes.” Obama never embarked on an “apology tour.”
26) “We, of course, don’t want to have automatic weapons, and that’s already illegal in this country to have automatic weapons.” Automatic weapons are legal in this country.
27) “The — the greatest failure we’ve had with regards to — to gun violence in some respects is what — what is known as Fast and Furious. Which was a program under this administration, and how it worked exactly I think we don’t know precisely, where thousands of automatic, and AK-47 type weapons were — were given to people that ultimately gave them to — to drug lords.” The Justice Department’s inspector general “issued a scathing critique of federal officials for their handling of the botched gun-trafficking case,” but “exonerated Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., whom many Republicans have blamed for the scandal.”
28) “What I will do as president is make sure it’s more attractive to come to America again.” Romney’s plan to move the country to a territorial tax system would let corporations do business and make profits overseas without ever being taxed on it in the U.S. This would encourage American companies to invest abroad, potentially costing the country up to 800,000 jobs.
29) “Canada’s tax rate on companies is now 15 percent. Ours is 35 percent. So if you’re starting a business, where would you rather start it? We have to be competitive if we’re going to create more jobs here.” The U.S. is raising historically low amounts of revenue from the corporate income tax, and it already has the second lowest effective corporate tax rate in the world. U.S. corporations are taxed less than their foreign rivals, and the U.S. effective corporate tax rate is low compared to other developed economies.
30) “And there’s no question but that Obamacare has been an extraordinary deterrent to enterprises of all kinds hiring people.” Under the law, only companies with more than 50 employees must provide health insurance or pay a fine — that’s just 2.6 percent of businesses. If anything, expanding health care coverage to more Americans will actually create hundreds of thousands of new jobs.
31) “He said he would have by now put forward a plan to reform Medicare and Social Security, because he pointed out they’re on the road to bankruptcy.” The possibility of Medicare going bankrupt is — and historically has been — greatly exaggerated. In fact, if no changes are made, Medicare would still be able to meet 88 percent of its obligations in 2085. Social Security is fully funded for another two decades and could pay 75 percent of its benefits thereafter. There is also an easy way to ensure the program’s long-term solvency without large changes or cuts to benefits.
Latinos won't vote for Mitt Romney because his policies suck - Rosie Perez
John Kerry sums up Dim Mitt’s performance. He’s (Dim Mitt) not being straight with the American public. He’s (Dim Mitt) either lying to his base or he’s lying to the American public.
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|18-10-2012, 08:28 AM||#1217 (permalink)|
Cherry pick all you want but in the end...the end is neigh:
Karl Rove: NO CANDIDATE HAS EVER LOST With Numbers Like What Mitt Romney Has Today
Karl Rove told Megyn Kelly today on America Live that no presidential candidate has ever lost an election leading with over 50 percent of likely voters in mid October.
Mitt Romney has 51 percent of likely voters today.
“The Obama campaign has pulled down all of its negative advertising. And is now running virtually all positive ads in the battleground states heralding all the success of the last four years. This is very unusual because they have been constantly beating up on Romney. In recent weeks the president’s negatives have risen and Romney particularly after this debate has moved into a lead. You saw it in the Gallup poll you talked about. Six point lead, 51-45. Yesterday it was 50-46. This is the first time that Romney has hit 50 percent in the Gallup likely voter poll and the president has never hit 50 percent in the likely voter poll. And no candidate who has led in mid-October with 50 percent or more in the likely voter poll has ever gone on to lose.“
|18-10-2012, 04:13 PM||#1219 (permalink)|
Media Doesn't Notice That Obama Told Iowan Women They Were "Well Qualified To Teach"
If you're a woman, obviously your primary skills are in nurturing, and obviously your best career choice is Teaching.
Ladies? I've got some good news: Obama has deemed you "well-qualified to teach" (or to learn: Apparently you can also be a teacher-in-training).
The media doesn't notice, because the Narrative is that Romney, who hired and promoted bindersfull of women, hates women, and Obama, who was ripped by two of his female underlings as being a sexist who can't relate to women, loves women.
Gaffe? Of course not. Only Republicans make gaffes. Democrats merely say things the media chooses not to emphasize.
Bath House Barry Is A Dead Man Walking
|18-10-2012, 11:02 PM||#1220 (permalink)|
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A word from the Progressive sector:-
"The Republican organization today is extremely dangerous, not just to this country, but to the world. It's worth expending some effort to prevent their rise to power, without sowing illusions about the Democratic alternatives."
"I lose no opportunity publicly, to identify Obama as a tool of Wall Street, a man who's decriminalized torture and is still complicit in it, a drone assassin, someone who's launched an unconstitutional war, supports kidnapping and indefinite detention without trial, and has prosecuted more whistleblowers like myself than all previous presidents put together."
... "I don't 'support Obama'. I oppose the current Republican Party."
There is no doubt in the mind of Progressives that the Republican party has become radicalised, and of course they are quite correct. Middle America barely realises it though, it being the old, lifelong conservative party.
|19-10-2012, 07:26 AM||#1221 (permalink)|
Say goodnight Irene:
Mitt Romney it out-polling Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama at similar points in the their races.
The Washington Times reported:
According to the latest Gallup survey, Mitt Romney is polling 52% of likely voters. At this point in the race he is ahead of:
|19-10-2012, 07:46 AM||#1222 (permalink)|
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In spite of our informal bet booner, I think I'm gonna buy you a beer the day after the election in a vain attempt to console your inconsolable misery (does your local shop accept Amex?).
Tilting at Windmills, again.
Oh, about that anomalous Gallup Poll of 'likely voter results'-
Why Do The Gallup Poll's Likely Voter Results Differ From The Rest?
why is the Gallup result so different?
The most obvious answer is its likely voter model, which has helped produce large and seemingly inexplicable shifts and differences with other polls in the past.
In 2000, for example, Gallup's daily tracking survey showed Republican nominee George W. Bush going from a 9 percentage point deficit against Democrat Al Gore to an 8 point lead in just three days following the first presidential debate. Other polls done at the same time also showed movement to Bush, but the average overall shift in the margin separating Bush and Gore was roughly 2 percentage points, not 17.
A subsequent study by political scientists Bob Erikson, Costas Panagopolous and Chris Wlezien found that most of the shifts in 2000 were "not change due to voter conversion from one side to the other," but rather "shifts in the type of respondents who score as 'likely voters' or 'unlikely voters' from one period to the next."
Full article (if you're bothered)- Why Do The Gallup Poll's Likely Voter Results Differ From The Rest?
But the bottom line, is this- "Before examining the Gallup Poll, it may be worth considering some general advice: If one poll produces results that are at odds with nine others -- for whatever reason and no matter who produced it -- that one poll is probably off."
Hey, don't hang the messenger, but the prospect of Romney actually being elected is looking quite dim. But none of the stakeholders in this circus are likely to tell you that-
The GOP wants to keep it's dwindling base fired up, sell Hope and Change. Hang the Lies- they are now spruiking for the centre, those born again bleeding heart libbies. (they have to)
The Dems want their people to get out and vote, not stay home through apathy or cozy assumption of victory (which could obviously cost them that same victory)
The media benefits from a tight race, or at least the perception of a tight race. Thats how they make their money- audience numbers & hence, advertising revenue.
Here is my prediction, straight from Sab's crystal ball- on the eve of the election, you will confidently predict a GOP victory, "good night Irene" and all that. The day after the election, you will be crying foul and muttering about electoral fraud.
The real interest is probably the Congressional results though, unless Obama is unexpectedly found in bed with Michelle and Cindy.
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|19-10-2012, 07:53 AM||#1223 (permalink)|
I'm so far out in the baan nook they've never even heard of Amex!
There is a decent supply of Leo, Chan 'round these parts tho and it's not that 'paeng' either.
btw, did you see the electoral map is trending toward Mitt these days? Don't get too cocky, I'm not.
|19-10-2012, 09:15 AM||#1224 (permalink)|
Remember the big deal Libs made of Romney's 'Binders of Women' the other day? Well, heh, it appears Barry gets binders too!
CHICAGO — In a bid to get more Muslim Americans working in the Obama administration, a book with resumes of 45 of the nation’s most qualified — Ivy League grads, Fortune 500 executives and public servants, all carefully vetted — has been submitted to the White House.
|19-10-2012, 09:36 AM||#1225 (permalink)|
I don't know
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Here is an article by for Reagan Administration official David Stockman.
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