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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey
    i think it was qc who posted a few weeks ago that perhaps romney didn't want to release his taxes because he wasn't ponying up the required 10%.
    It may or may not have been me who posited that theory, but there's more perhaps.

    What if Romney has faithfully paid his 10% tithe on income but his tax returns would show that he has made far more money on cap gains or some such?

    Does the Mormon church view all incoming money as income and therefore subject to tithing or do they take only a narrow view of 'salary' or something as subject to tithe?

    I'm not of the belief that Romney has deliberately broken any laws, he's rich enough to get around them, but he does have somewhat of a history of being opaque about his earnings and finances.

    If/when it came out that he had used elaborate instruments to reduce his taxes that might not sit well with the electorate, I'm guessing that's why it's being pushed by the Dems, but that's politics and he might get away with it.

    What if he's used ruses to reduce his tithe? Evangelicals seem uneasy with him now -- if he cheated his own church what would happen then?

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    It matters not. When will y'all wake up and smell the coffee, eh? Joe the Plumber would make a better POTUS than that imbecile presently in Big White. Obama is leading the country into rack & ruin. An amateur who believes in the failed policies of Socialism...

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    Here's a little something, actually a lot of little somethings, that are sure to come up in the debates, where the dodges and the lies of the Rethuglicans will be hard to maintain.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cO1F7EcGFAc

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    Romney's Lying Machine

    Politicians lie- I think the jaded voter pretty much accepts that, no matter their affiliation. But according to Robert Reich (Labor Secretary under Clinton), the Romney campaign takes the cake, and has hit a new nadir in political mendacity:-

    I've been struck by the baldness of Romney's repetitive lies about Obama -- that Obama ended the work requirement under welfare, for example, or that Obama's Affordable Care Act cuts $716 billion from Medicare benefits.

    The mainstream media along with a half-dozen independent fact-checking organizations and sites have called Romney on these whoppers, but to no avail. He keeps making these assertions.

    Every campaign is guilty of exaggerations, embellishments, distortions, and half-truths. But this is another thing altogether. I've been directly involved in seven presidential campaigns, and I don't recall a presidential candidate lying with such audacity, over and over again. Why does he do it, and how can he get away with it?

    Romney's lying machine is extraordinarily well financed. By August, according to Jane Mayer in her recent New Yorker article, at least 33 billionaires had each donated a quarter of a million dollars or more to groups aiming to defeat Obama -- with most of it flooding into attack ads in swing states.


    His two conclusions are quite galling-

    resorting to outright lies -- and organizing a presidential campaign around a series of lies -- reveals a whole new level of cynicism, a profound disdain for what remains of civility in public life, and a disrespect of the democratic process.
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    The obvious answer is such lies are effective.
    Robert Reich: Romney's Lying Machine


    US politics may well get significantly worse yet, before it simply has to get better. As Churchill said "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." Or am I taking a benign view? Certainly, when you combine the Citizens United decision and it's short term effects, the huge and still growing role of sponsorship money in US politics, the ever increasing assertiveness of well funded, well accessed- but essentially minority- special interest groups, a post financial crisis weak economy, trends in income, wealth and taxation inequality, a vocal white conservative minority that feels perpetually threatened, and a half black potus complete with funny name- well, it makes for a heady brew.

    The populist noise machine has certainly cranked up now that many on the dem/libbie/progressive/socialist/commie/atheist/baby killing side have decided to belatedly join the right wing rave party. Flying under this radar of induced noise, the Romney machine is able to wage the vaguest of political campaigns. It's numbers just plain do not add up, quite blatantly so- and a campaign spokesperson has said they will not be campaigning on 'specifics' (as if they could). One would have thought the economy and public finances would be foremost in their minds- but Americans are easily diverted into arguing about guns and abortion instead, these days.
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    ^&^^
    We saw it the first time...

    Robert Reich? Talking about non-partisan objective sources are we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    ^&^^
    We saw it the first time...

    Robert Reich? Talking about non-partisan objective sources are we?
    Is it possible that someone in support of Romney/Ryan could try dealing with the specifics of Reich's data and conclusions instead of offering rhetorical questions about the messenger? I for one would really like to hear some defense of their economic policies, such as they are. Could it be that it is because they have not worked and, in fact, are largley responsible for driving us into the mess we're in now.

    And no, the fall-back answer that facts don't matter because of Harry Reid's accusation may have been cute the first couple of times, but now only highlight the contempt for the process and the voters, if not every thinking member on this board.

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    Romney getting a dig in on Obama:

    Now I love being home, in this place where Ann and I were raised, where both of us were born. Ann was born in Henry Ford Hospital, I was born in Harper Hospital. No one’s ever asked to see my birth certificate. They know that this is the place where both of us were born and raised.”

    And, predictably, the left wing media are outraged! Outraged I say!

    ...y'all surely don't need a source for that?

    Here's one anyway: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012...gs-on-website/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Now I love being home, in this place where Ann and I were raised, where both of us were born. Ann was born in Henry Ford Hospital, I was born in Harper Hospital. No one’s ever asked to see my birth certificate. They know that this is the place where both of us were born and raised.”
    ...y'all surely don't need a source for that?
    Is that your best answer to the Romney/Ryan economic plan.

    Once again you've dodged the question. Poorly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrG View Post
    And no, the fall-back answer that facts don't matter because of Harry Reid's accusation may have been cute the first couple of times, but now only highlight the contempt for the process and the voters, if not every thinking member on this board.
    Heh...the contempt of this board, eh? Well, let's direct that contempt in the direction it deserves, OK? Is anything these Obama supporters are floating true? Doesn't appear so...

    NY Times – Romney Has Been Paying Federal Taxes For Last Decade.

    But check this out: “Meanwhile, Harry Reid’s office maintains its devastating silence on his alleged pedophilia.”

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    Gotta love it! Romney's latest dig at the Obamamessiah:

    Mitt Romney Rips Obama: If Your Child Gets on Honor Roll… Don’t Thank the Bus Driver



    Mitt Romney ripped Obama today in Ohio. He told the crowd, "If your child gets on the honor roll, don't thank the bus driver.
    That statement 'You Didn't Build That' is reverberating or what?

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    ^it's amazing how a comment can be distorted and used to support a multitude of falsehoods. Clearly, Romney and the Republican party will make pandering to ignorance the cornerstone of their campaign just as they did in 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Gotta love it! Romney's latest dig at the Obamamessiah:

    Mitt Romney Rips Obama: If Your Child Gets on Honor Roll… Don’t Thank the Bus Driver



    Mitt Romney ripped Obama today in Ohio. He told the crowd, "If your child gets on the honor roll, don't thank the bus driver.
    That statement 'You Didn't Build That' is reverberating or what?
    On Fox News? Certainly. In the rest of the world, where Romney already admitted having lots of Federal help to save the Olympics, it's already defined as pandering hysteria.

    If this is to be the cornerstone of the convention, then I think they're rather clutching at straws.

    I would think the American public would be more insulted at a candidate who intends to take yet more of their money and give it to the already filthy rich. Which I suspect will be the cornerstone of the other convention.

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    Even on FOX Romney can't help but screw up:

    Fox News host Chris Wallace asked Romney in an interview that aired on Sunday why he didn’t close the Swiss bank accounts and get out of the investments in the Cayman Islands before he spent the last eight years running for president.


    “First of all, there was no reduction — not one dollar reduction — in taxes by virtue of having an account in Switzerland or a Cayman Islands investment,” Romney explained. “The dollars of taxes remained exactly the same. There was no tax savings at all. And the conduct of the trustee and making investments was entirely consistent with U.S. law and all the taxes paid were those legally owed and there was no tax saving by virtue of those entities.”


    Romney: Not going to ‘manipulate my life’ by closing Swiss bank account | The Raw Story


    If there was no tax benefit to having the Swiss and Cayman accounts... Why have them at all?

    I mean seriously?? Mitt, you and everyone else knows that's the whole point of having accounts like that in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    ^it's amazing how a comment can be distorted and used to support a multitude of falsehoods. Clearly, Romney and the Republican party will make pandering to ignorance the cornerstone of their campaign just as they did in 2010.
    Joe Soptic. Pandering to ignorance and using ignorance as your spokesperson.

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    Like any decent man and any good Christian Romney doesn’t brag about the service he provides to humanity. Not only does he not blow his own horn but he respects the privacy of and he wishes to preserve the dignity of those people who were in need of help.

    When Romney chooses to tell the story peoples’ opinion of him will shift. They will see a man who personally got on the telephone and solicited jobs amongst fellow business owners asking them if there was work for the people Romney had spoken with, people in need of providing for their families.

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    Turns out that not everyone was singing cumbaya at the Century Mine staged Romney love fest.

    Earlier this month, Mitt Romney was welcomed for a campaign event at the Century Mine in Beallsville, Ohio, by hundreds of coal workers and their families. Now many of the mine's workers are saying they were forced to give up a day-worth of pay to attend the event, and they feared they might be fired if they didn’t, according to local news radio WWVA.
    The claims have been mostly denied by Rob Moore, Chief Financial Officer of Murray Energy Company, which owns the mine. He acknowledges that workers weren’t paid that day but says no one was made to attend the event. Well, kind of.
    "Our managers communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend," he told local news radio WWVA, which has received several emails from workers claiming that the company records names of workers that don't attend those types of events.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/century-mine-romney-ohio-mandatory_n_1836674.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Hundreds of Ohio Coal Miners Stand in Line for Mitt Romney

    Ohio miners turn on Obama
    Oh really- did anyone ask the miners? They weren't standing in line, they were being lined up.

    Murray Energy Miners Allege They Had To Give Up Pay To Attend 'Mandatory' Romney Rally

    Earlier this month, Mitt Romney was welcomed for a campaign event at the Century Mine in Beallsville, Ohio, by hundreds of coal workers and their families. Now many of the mine's workers are saying they were forced to give up a day-worth of pay to attend the event, and they feared they might be fired if they didn’t, according to local news radio WWVA.

    The claims have been mostly denied by Rob Moore, Chief Financial Officer of Murray Energy Company, which owns the mine. He acknowledges that workers weren’t paid that day but says no one was made to attend the event. Well, kind of.

    "Our managers communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend," he told local news radio WWVA, which has received several emails from workers claiming that the company records names of workers that don't attend those types of events.

    The company's interest in having its employees show support for Romney may be a result of its CEO's close ties with the presumptive Republican nominee. In May, Romney teamed up with Murray's CEO Bob Murray for a fundraising event in West Virginia. And Murray's made no secret of his support for the Republican party, previously backing Rick Perry.

    In addition, his company has donated more than $900,000 to Republican candidates in the last two years, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

    Murray, who is also a climate-change denier, has been an outspoken critic of President Obama’s stance on coal.
    That view may be why Moore told WWVA that having employees attend the Romney event “was in the best interest of anyone that's related to the coal industry in this area or the entire country."

    Murray Energy Miners Allege They Had To Give Up Pay To Attend 'Mandatory' Romney Rally (AUDIO)


    I'm sure those miners will all vote for Mitt, heck what does a days lost pay matter when the boss tells you to line up for a campaign rally, or else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    ^it's amazing how a comment can be distorted and used to support a multitude of falsehoods. Clearly, Romney and the Republican party will make pandering to ignorance the cornerstone of their campaign just as they did in 2010.
    Heh..."You Didn't Build That" continues to reverberate throughout both campaigns. Obama is still trying (unsuccessfully I might add) to distance himself from that statement and Romney's camp is employing it unmercifully. A cornerstone? Naw, but a big "Tell" as to what motivates the Left...

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    That tired "You didn't build it" stuff doesn't get very far...

    Sher Valenzuela, GOP's 'We Built It' Speaker, Received Millions In Government Loans

    Sher Valenzuela, GOP's 'We Built It' Speaker, Received Millions In Government Loans

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    Sher Valenzuela, GOP's 'We Built It' Speaker, Received Millions In Government Loans
    Dear GOP

    Use of the term "We" in your theme instead of "I" kind of proves the Presidents point.

    Sincerely
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    ^I'll green you later for that classic. A tip of the hat sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by attaboy View Post
    When Romney chooses to tell the story peoples’ opinion of him will shift.
    He won't tell, I reckon. He's not a narcissist or braggart like the current prez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    Sher Valenzuela, GOP's 'We Built It' Speaker, Received Millions In Government Loans
    Dear GOP

    Use of the term "We" in your theme instead of "I" kind of proves the Presidents point.

    Sincerely
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    The point is, Americans built America, not the government. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham View Post
    The point is, Americans built America, not the government. Get it?
    I agree with that, MM.

    Too much focus on the govt today.

    People used to grow their own food. Now it's, "hey tell you friends and family members that they may be eligible for food stamps."

    Society in decline.

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    Listen up all you dyed-in-the-wool, to the bone Mitt Romney-haters! Here's a critic, Andrew Ferguson, who was never a fan of Mitt, points out that Romney is one of the few politicians that you end up liking more the more you find out about him:
    Almost every personal detail about Romney I found endearing. But my slowly softening opinion went instantly to goo when The Real Romney unfolded an account of his endless kindnesses-unbidden, unsung, and utterly gratuitous. "It seems that everyone who has known him has a tale of his altruism," the authors write. I was struck by the story of a Mormon family called (unfortunately) Nixon. In the 1990s a car wreck rendered two of their boys quadriplegics. Drained financially from extraordinary expenses, Mr. Nixon got a call from Romney, whom he barely knew, asking if he could stop by on Christmas Eve. When the day came, all the Romneys arrived bearing presents, including a VCR and a new sound system the Romney boys set up. Later Romney told Nixon that he could take care of the children's college tuition, which in the end proved unnecessary. "I knew how busy he was," Nixon told the authors. "He was actually teaching his boys, saying, 'This is what we do. We do this as a family.' "

    ...To this touching kindness and fatherly wisdom, The Real Romney adds other traits that will continue to grate-he's a know-it-all and likely to remain so, and his relationship to political principle has always been tenuous. Which makes him a, uh, politician. But now I suspect he's also something else, a creature rarely found in the highest reaches of American politics: a good guy.

    Read the whole thing here

    contrast the above with the likes of Mooch who gives interviews to XXX magazine editors and worse...

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    ^ The point with Mr Romney & his fam, they don't brag about their charitable efforts. They just do. They are good, honest, respectful people. People of most any faith are like that: acts of kindness are just done; they don't embarrass the folks they give to by broadcasting their kind acts. Libtards don't understand this -- they advertise: Jolie ups her ante as some UN group spokeschimp, Oprah builds a school in Africa, Madonna ditto -- look at ME! I am so NICE. FO.

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