Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Originally Posted by Latindancer

So were the "squibs". Or perhaps it was a previous 9/11 thread ?

And the answer was?

As I recall, they were puffs of air, smoke and dust coming out as the collapsing floors compressed all the air in there. As you would expect.

Some of the smoke and dust traveled downwards ahead of each floor as it compressed.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

As I recall, they were puffs of air, smoke and dust coming out as the collapsing floors compressed all the air in there. As you would expect. Some of the smoke and dust traveled downwards ahead of each floor as it compressed.

You're claiming the 'Piston Theory' was the cause of the 'squibs' ? Before you agree then please read this.

NIST's final Report on the Twin Towers mentions the piston theory to attempt to explain away the ejections:
The falling mass of the building compressed the air ahead of it, much like the action of a piston, forcing material, such as smoke and debris, out the windows as seen in several videos.
There are several problems with this explanation, which we designate the piston theory.

• The squibs contain thick dust of a light color, apparently from crushed concrete and gypsum. But these materials would not have been crushed until the pancaking floors above impacted the floor emitting the squib. Thus the dust would not be produced until the air was already squeezed out, so there was no source of the dust for the squib.
• The squibs emerge from the facade 10 to 20 floors below the exploding rubble cloud inside of which the tower is disintegrating. The thick clouds appear to contain the pulverized concrete of the floor slabs, which was the only concrete component of the tower. But the piston theory requires that the floors have already pancaked down to the level of the squib, making them unavailable for the production of the concrete dust more than 10 floors above.
• The piston theory requires a rather orderly pancaking of the floor diaphragms within the intact sleeve of the perimeter wall. Such a process should have left a stack of floor diaphragms at the tower's base at the end of the collapse. But there was no such stack. In fact, it is difficult to find recognizable pieces of floor slabs of any size in Ground Zero photographs.
• The North Tower exhibits three distinct sets of squibs at different elevations of the building. Each set is visible as two distinct squibs on the same floor, one emerging from about the horizontal center of each of the tower's two visible faces. This pattern is is far too focused and symmetric to be explained by the piston theory, which would produce similar pressures across each floor and over successive floors.
• The pancaking of floors within the perimeter wall would have created underpressures in the region above the top pancaking floor. But we seen no evidence of dust being sucked back into the tower.

They seem to assume a lot, and if there is one thing I have learned about analysis, it is to not assume.

• The squibs contain thick dust of a light color, apparently from crushed concrete and gypsum. But these materials would not have been crushed until the pancaking floors above impacted the floor emitting the squib. Thus the dust would not be produced until the air was already squeezed out, so there was no source of the dust for the squib.
• The squibs emerge from the facade 10 to 20 floors below the exploding rubble cloud inside of which the tower is disintegrating. The thick clouds appear to contain the pulverized concrete of the floor slabs, which was the only concrete component of the tower. But the piston theory requires that the floors have already pancaked down to the level of the squib, making them unavailable for the production of the concrete dust more than 10 floors above.
• The piston theory requires a rather orderly pancaking of the floor diaphragms within the intact sleeve of the perimeter wall. Such a process should have left a stack of floor diaphragms at the tower's base at the end of the collapse. But there was no such stack. In fact, it is difficult to find recognizable pieces of floor slabs of any size in Ground Zero photographs.

(Nonsense....they could well have been semi-solid as they went down)

• The North Tower exhibits three distinct sets of squibs at different elevations of the building. Each set is visible as two distinct squibs on the same floor, one emerging from about the horizontal center of each of the tower's two visible faces. This pattern is is far too focused and symmetric to be explained by the piston theory, which would produce similar pressures across each floor and over successive floors. Nonsense
• The pancaking of floors within the perimeter wall would have created underpressures in the region above the top pancaking floor. (Oh, would it ?) But we seen no evidence of dust being sucked back into the tower.

A passport is pretty distinctive, and anybody finding it would recognize the significance pretty quickly.

If it was planted, it was a pretty stupid plant. They obtained three other passports in entirely believable ways.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

NIST's final Report on the Twin Towers mentions the piston theory to attempt to explain away the ejections:

Well actually, that is a link to some looney Conspiracy Theorist's website that probably SAYS that was NIST's position.



As far as Atta's passport goes: Once the plane disintegrates, there's nothing holding stuff in. Bits go everywhere. And the impact will allow things to fly out - the air itself will be blowing around, sucking things with it. Passports are heavy enough to have some momenum, and are light enough and have a good shape to catch the wind and fly around.Except the planes didn't just disintegrate, they blew up in several-hundred-degree jet-fuel explosions. Presumably, though, Atta was in the front of the plane (passport in pocket?), and was thus smashed up and propelled forward, avoiding the absolutely vast conflagration coming from the wings and behind.

After the first crash, the debris, plane parts and body parts were all over the area.

For a photo of the debris, click here : click here


Donsider this story from the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster. The craft broke up on re-entry, 40 miles about the earth, and debris fell over a wide area. Amongst this was one of the experiments involving tiny worms. The worms and moss were in the same nine-pound locker located in the mid-deck of the space shuttle. The worms were placed in six canisters, each holding eight petri dishes.

The worms, which are about the size of the tip of a pencil, were part of an experiment testing a new synthetic nutrient solution. The worms, which have a life cycle of between seven and 10 days, were four or five generations removed from the original worms placed on Columbia in January.
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches...ms_030501.html
Remarkably, not only were the canisters retrieved, but the worms were still alive (the above link tells you more). Who would have believed that?



The passport was recovered on the street about 3 blocks away by a passer-by and turned in to a NYC policeman. People who ramble on about the "miraculous indestructible passport" carry on as if it was the only item to survive from Flight 11 but that isn't even remotely true. Lots of items from Flight 11 were recovered at and around the WTC site including seat cushions, floatation devices, the planes itinerary (printed on a sheet of paper), wallets, drivers licenses, credit cards and the identified remains of 52 people who were on board. The FEMA report details this. The streets for several blocks were littered with body parts and bits of plane. There is nothing miraculous about the passport surviving since it was ejected immediately from the building and landed blocks away instead of remaining in the building to be consumed by the inferno and buried under 110 stories of burning skyscraper.


So when the plane crashed, the passport went through the building and out the other side, just like other passengers' personal effects, plane debris and some body parts as well.

Talking about crash debris. Apart from the piece Donald Rumsfeld picked up for the cameras, wheres the rest of the aircraft debris from the Pentagon, or that field in Pennsylvania? Disintegrated into thin air they said didn't they?

No, they didn't. Do your research, or else go back in this thread.

Originally Posted by Lukey1979

Originally Posted by Latindancer

No, they didn't. Do your research, or else go back in this thread.

Well, at least tell me your brief opinion on why there was fuck all debris at these sites, unlike the WTC which you have mentioned in an earlier post.

More utter nonsense.

It's simple re-read the fucking thread, not nutjob websites.

Originally Posted by Lukey1979

Well, at least tell me your brief opinion on why there was fuck all debris at these sites, unlike the WTC which you have mentioned in an earlier post.

There WAS.

Take a look at the pics.

It's just that, since one plane went into the ground at 580 miles (not kilometres) an hour, and the other went into an armoured building, most of the debris went into the earth, and the building.
Lots and lots was recovered at the Pentagon, and a fair bit in the field.

You appear to be very ill-informed. Go and do your own research rather than attempt to force people to reiterate what we have stated before. We have been through the whole tedious process previously with utterly tedious nutjobs like ENT and simpletons like Albert Shagnastier / Dapper.

it's obvious no plane crashed in Pennsylvania.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Originally Posted by Lukey1979

Well, at least tell me your brief opinion on why there was fuck all debris at these sites, unlike the WTC which you have mentioned in an earlier post.

There WAS.

Take a look at the pics.

It's just that, since one plane went into the ground at 580 miles (not kilometres) an hour, and the other went into an armoured building, most of the debris went into the earth, and the building.
Lots and lots was recovered at the Pentagon, and a fair bit in the field.

You appear to be very ill-informed. Go and do your own research rather than attempt to force people to reiterate what we have stated before. We have been through the whole tedious process previously with utterly tedious nutjobs like ENT and simpletons like Albert Shagnastier / Dapper.

Nonsense. make comparisons between the supposed crash sites at the Pentagon/Pennsylvania and the numerous other crash sites that have happened in aviation history, and tell me there are no glaring differences.

And I have done enough research to have an informed enough opinion thank you very much.

I have many issues with the whole '9/11 was a conspiracy' thing but chief amongst those is this: people.

Specifically, people by in large and in general are stupid (this thread stands as good proof of that). The number of conspirators needed to be involved to pull off something of this magnitude is huge. And not a single one has talked? Accidentally let slip? The amount of organization required to pull it off undetected or in a plausible manner and the vast amounts of resources to do so...

Nah, I don't buy it.

Some other people just need to come to terms with that fact that bad shit happens and some people do bad shit. Trying to order it in your own mind to make sense of a world that's a bit frightening and scary at times makes a certain amount of sense however when it leads to such blinkered confirmation bias that you're scouring pictures for 'evidence' of debris and the like then you've officially, kinda sorta, lost the plot.

^ You nailed it, Ant.

Originally Posted by Lukey1979

Nonsense. make comparisons between the supposed crash sites at the Pentagon/Pennsylvania and the numerous other crash sites that have happened in aviation history, and tell me there are no glaring differences.

I just stated the differences :

A) One was at an acute angle into a field, at 580 mph.

You expect LARGE debris ? How about _YOU_ tell _ME_ about other plane crashes at such an acute angle at such a high speed, where there _HAS_ been a lot of large debris ??

And by the way, did you look at the pics ? There WAS in fact a shitload of small debris....consistent with such a crash.



B) The other was into an _armoured_ building.

Originally Posted by Lukey1979

I have done enough research to have an informed enough opinion thank you very much.

It appears NOT, actually. In fact it appears that you have about the same complete lack of analytical ability and sense of proportion as ENT.

Sock puppet, are you ? Or just left school in grade 10 ?

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

I have many issues with the whole '9/11 was a conspiracy' thing but chief amongst those is this: people.

Specifically, people by in large and in general are stupid (this thread stands as good proof of that). The number of conspirators needed to be involved to pull off something of this magnitude is huge. And not a single one has talked? Accidentally let slip? The amount of organization required to pull it off undetected or in a plausible manner and the vast amounts of resources to do so...

Nah, I don't buy it.

Some other people just need to come to terms with that fact that bad shit happens and some people do bad shit. Trying to order it in your own mind to make sense of a world that's a bit frightening and scary at times makes a certain amount of sense however when it leads to such blinkered confirmation bias that you're scouring pictures for 'evidence' of debris and the like then you've officially, kinda sorta, lost the plot.

Agreed. But speaking for myself here, the focus isn't on some grand conspiracy. The focus is on the official story which is Incredible Bull Shit. I know longer really care about whodunnit.
One step at a time I suppose..

Originally Posted by Latindancer

^ You nailed it, Ant.

Originally Posted by Lukey1979

Nonsense. make comparisons between the supposed crash sites at the Pentagon/Pennsylvania and the numerous other crash sites that have happened in aviation history, and tell me there are no glaring differences.

I just stated the differences :

A) One was at an acute angle into a field, at 580 mph.

You expect LARGE debris ? How about _YOU_ tell _ME_ about other plane crashes at such an acute angle at such a high speed, where there _HAS_ been a lot of large debris ??

And by the way, did you look at the pics ? There WAS in fact a shitload of small debris....consistent with such a crash.



B) The other was into an _armoured_ building.

Originally Posted by Lukey1979

I have done enough research to have an informed enough opinion thank you very much.

It appears NOT, actually. In fact it appears that you have about the same complete lack of analytical ability and sense of proportion as ENT.

Sock puppet, are you ?

''It appears'' you are a condescending ThunderCunt.

Brainwashed buffoon, incapable of critical thinking. Do yourself a favour and quit watching those talking heads on Fox.

Originally Posted by Lukey1979

Agreed. But speaking for myself here, the focus isn't on some grand conspiracy. The focus is on the official story which is Incredible Bull Shit. I know longer really care about whodunnit.
One step at a time I suppose..

Ah, ok well that's a subtle but important difference.

Do all governments lie to their people? All the fucking time.

Do all governments engage is massive conspiracies to murder thousands of their own citizens? Not so much.

I guess for me the issue is that some people use the former as proof of the latter which is a massive leap.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Or just left school in grade 10 ?

Originally Posted by Lukey1979

I know longer really care

Thanks for confirming that.

It appears you are a clod.

We've been focusing on WHAT HAPPENED in this thread.

If you're going to come in here, at least read SOME of it.

Originally Posted by Lukey1979

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Lukey1979

Agreed. But speaking for myself here, the focus isn't on some grand conspiracy. The focus is on the official story which is Incredible Bull Shit. I know longer really care about whodunnit.
One step at a time I suppose..

Ah, ok well that's a subtle but important difference.

Do all governments lie to their people? All the fucking time.

Do all governments engage is massive conspiracies to murder thousands of their own citizens? Not so much.

I guess for me the issue is that some people use the former as proof of the latter which is a massive leap.

15 years on and the narrative still, is that you are on one of two camps. You either accept the official story OR that you are a conspiracy nut/loon who believes the Government/Jews/Bankers/Corporate fat cats did it.
The focus should not be on WHO done it, because the lunacy of the current narrative just fucking scares people off.
The focus should be on WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, because the official story is so full of holes its just ridiculous to be honest.

You took the time to read some horseshit about there being no wreckage or bodies from UA93 and AA77.

So believe it, and fuck off and spend the rest of your life living in a fucking dream world.

The rest of us, that read about the actual evidence as reported, and posted it in this thread, will leave it there so that maybe one day idiots like you might want to actually see what happened rather than believe what some tin foil hat-wearing wanker told you.

Originally Posted by Lukey1979

15 years on and the narrative still, is that you are on one of two camps. You either accept the official story OR that you are a conspiracy nut/loon who believes the Government/Jews/Bankers/Corporate fat cats did it.
The focus should not be on WHO done it, because the lunacy of the current narrative just fucking scares people off.
The focus should be on WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, because the official story is so full of holes its just ridiculous to be honest.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

fucking dream world... idiots....tin foil hat-wearing wanker....

You just proved my point.