Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Take your crap to the "ENT v. Latindancer Insults" thread and poll.

I'm sorry, ENT, but it appears any efforts of mine to stay on topic are being derailed by your blind following of the 25 rules of Dinsinformation - and your relentless effort to avoid answering questions that you'd rather avoid.

As to your claim to "personal issues" being aired by "trolls" in this thread, the only one apparently seething with personal issues of hate and inadequacy seems to be you, as your hate and bitterness is all too obvious in your insult-ladder responses.

.... Not to mention the continuous lack of accuracy and ignoring of provided evidence and facts, open for discussion, by you. I'd like to point you, in closing, to my last signature line, the rather brilliant quote from Hazz:

"If you don't care about the accuracy of what you are saying here, it hints at just how much you care about the accuracy of anything you say." -Hazz

Originally Posted by ENT

Seismic waves travel at various speeds and directions during an explosion.
The two main waves to look for are P waves, significantly absent in the Pentagon strike, followed by S waves, which were recorded..

Ok then ENT, You've convinced me that some naughty boy fired a missile into the pentagon because there was no P waves recorded .

So what happened to the plane and all the people on it ?

They all helping Elvis in some MacDonald's some where and David Copperfield made the Plane vanish into thin air. ?

Please just answer this question without all the Mumbo Jumbo you guys are trotting out.

Cheers for that.

Oh nice, ENT, Rule 24:

24. Silence critics.

^

You will notice that the posters who support the conspiracy theory can not come up with basic answers to what actually happened to the plane and its people.

Its all this Technical stuff which is really " Oh it could of been done this way " but the vast majority of humans realize it was not.

ENT is the quintessential person who will dispute that,

" The black cat is not black but is really white".

Same with the Corby thread.

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by ENT

Seismic waves travel at various speeds and directions during an explosion.
The two main waves to look for are P waves, significantly absent in the Pentagon strike, followed by S waves, which were recorded..

Ok then ENT, You've convinced me that some naughty boy fired a missile into the pentagon because there was no P waves recorded .

So what happened to the plane and all the people on it ?

They all helping Elvis in some MacDonald's some where and David Copperfield made the Plane vanish into thin air. ?

Please just answer this question without all the Mumbo Jumbo you guys are trotting out.

Cheers for that.

OK.

Firstly, there's no mumbo jumbo in my explanation of how the seismic evidence completely refutes the official line on the Pentagon.

The plane that was seen was not identified nor did it crash into the Pentagon.

The official line is that it was AA Flt 77 that day..

I have no idea where it went to or what happened to it or all the people supposedly in it after it was seen.

If it was a missile that was fired into the Pentagon, it had to be a small one, locked onto a target point within the Pentagon building, guided through an existing opening so that it did not detonate against grounded structure, such as a wall or pillar.

Such a pin-point strike capability was very possible at the time as the method was in use in military strike ops. long before then.

Originally Posted by ENT

I have no idea where it went to or what happened to it or all the people supposedly in it after it was seen.

Such a pin-point strike capability was very possible at the time as the method was in use in military strike ops. long before then.

No one disputes that a missile could of been fired into the Pentagon simply because its not a difficult thing to do considering the advanced weapons available to the military.

Its just that it did not happen like that at all and only a handful of the population consider it was indeed the case. Same as the moon landing conspiracy.

You and the other conspiracy believers can never come up with a decent reason of what happened to the plane simply because it was flown into the Pentagon. End of.

Its just Impossible to make a plane load of people disappear into thin air and the families of these people would of explored every avenue to find out the truth, some even looking at your theory.

What have they found ? Nothing plausible except that it is fact that the plane was flown into the pentagon by the terrorists and the other one crashed in the desert.

Give it up ENT.

"You will notice that the posters who support the conspiracy theory can not come up with basic answers to what actually happened to the plane and its people."

It is NOT for the "posters who support the conspiracy theory" to come up with these basic answers.

It IS for the official explanation of the events to match the true evidence which clearly it does not and never did from day one.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Gentlemen, you are attempting to debate with someone (ENT) who is not simply irrational, but actually has a mental illness.

ENT gives me a bit of giggle at times but when you read the Corby thread and this thread it gets increasingly hard to argue with the above statement.

Sorry mate but you do friggin get a roll Eh.

Any way, God bless Teak Door .

Unless & until Cthulhu shares with the group how the facts & question highlighted below change his [presumed] opinion that some flavor of Arab Muslim Semite(s) were the primary 'lunatics' who carried out the 1993 WTC bombing,

Originally Posted by HansuMan

But your "detailed, descriptive, and explicit" rhetorical JooJitsu buffoonery aside,

Imagining you maintain that some flavor of Arab Muslim Semite(s) did the 1993 WTC bombing,

What do you make of FBI's involvement, including providing their intended Egyptian patsy with the live bomb?

Washington DC: FBI Foils Own Terror Plot (Again)

In 1993 the FBI was carrying out an identical “sting operation” in New York City. The target was the World Trade Center, the weapon of choice would be a bomb-laden van, that like the above mentioned attacks, was supposed to contain an inert device. Helping the FBI was an Egyptian informant, Emad Salem, who over the course of the investigation grew suspicious of the federal agents and began recording his phone conversations with them.

From these recordings released by the New York Times, it turns out that the FBI switched out the inert device for real explosives at the last moment resulting in an attack that killed 6 and injured over a thousand. Despite this evidence, the 1993 bombing is still to this day attributed to “terrorists” with the FBI’s involvement muted if ever mentioned.

Cthulhu?

About the FBI's intimate role? Don't hesitate to verify that NY Times link ^ now,

Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast - NYTimes.com

... the group must conclude that,

Despite this evidence ^, the 1993 bombing is still to this day attributed by Cthulhu to some flavor of Arab Muslim Semite “terrorists” with the FBI’s involvement muted if ever mentioned.

Honest readers, ask yourselves: If Cthulhu stubbornly maintains his "belief" in the "Official 1993 WTC Bombing Story", in spite of detailed, descriptive, and explicit evidence ^ debunking that story, vindicating the FBI's Egyptian patsy, and illuminating that the FBI operation itself perpetrated the bombing,

...WHAT DOES THIS OBSTINANCE IN THE FACE OF THE HARD FACTS, TELL YOU ABOUT CTHULHU's SIMILARLY STUBBORN "BELIEF" THAT 19 ARAB MUSLIMS CONCEIVED & PERPETRATED THE 9/11 ATTACKS??

Architects & Engineers:

Solving the Mystery of
World Trade Center Building 7

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Gentlemen, you are attempting to debate with someone (ENT) who is not simply irrational, but actually has a mental illness.

You are right, and that is precisely what makes this so entertaining - the mentally ill are not aware they are mentally ill and as such do not realize they are being made fun of - hence, no hurt feelings, victimless funning. It's a win-win!

That said, that quote from Hazz is becoming more relevant with every passing answer of ENT. He claims there was a plane, flying low to the ground, that then somehow disappeared into thin air, along with all the crew and passengers - and THEN a missile, shot from who knows where, was not only shot into the Pentagon, but programmed to subsequently fly around *all* inside walls and pillars (did you see the inside pictures? There's a lot of close pillars), so as not to appear like a missile.

Huh?

Why not just claim that the missile used psychic energy to pass through walls, that god placed fake dinosaur bones all over the planet to fool paleontologists, and that UFO activity is directly responsible for seismic events...?

Maj General Stubblebine doesn't sound so crazy, compared to ENT, does he? ;-)

Originally Posted by westozguy

It IS for the official explanation of the events to match the true evidence which clearly it does not and never did from day one.[/SIZE]

official explanation: a commandeered plane was flown into the side of the Pentagon.

True evidence: plane wreckage and damage consistent with a Boeing 757 impacting are found at the Pentagon.

Case closed.

Originally Posted by terry57

ENT gives me a bit of giggle at times but when you read the Corby thread and this thread it gets increasingly hard to argue with the above statement.

Corby thread???

Just to put this stupidity of FBI complicity to rest:

1993 World Trade Center bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The 1993 World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993, when a truck bomb was detonated below the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York, NY.

The 1,336 lb (606 kg) urea nitrate–hydrogen gas enhanced device[1] was intended to knock the North Tower (Tower One) into the South Tower (Tower Two), bringing both towers down and killing thousands of people.[2][3] It failed to do so, but did kill six people and injured more than a thousand.[4] The attack was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal A. Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj.

They received financing from Khaled Sheikh Mohammed, Yousef's uncle. In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing: Abouhalima, Ajaj, Ayyad and Salameh. The charges included conspiracy, explosive destruction of property and interstate transportation of explosives.

In November 1997, two more were convicted: Yousef, the mastermind behind the bombings, and Eyad Ismoil, who drove the truck carrying the bomb.

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by ENT

I have no idea where it went to or what happened to it or all the people supposedly in it after it was seen.

Such a pin-point strike capability was very possible at the time as the method was in use in military strike ops. long before then.

No one disputes that a missile could of been fired into the Pentagon simply because its not a difficult thing to do considering the advanced weapons available to the military.

Its just that it did not happen like that at all and only a handful of the population consider it was indeed the case. Same as the moon landing conspiracy.

You and the other conspiracy believers can never come up with a decent reason of what happened to the plane simply because it was flown into the Pentagon. End of.

Its just Impossible to make a plane load of people disappear into thin air and the families of these people would of explored every avenue to find out the truth, some even looking at your theory.

What have they found ? Nothing plausible except that it is fact that the plane was flown into the pentagon by the terrorists and the other one crashed in the desert.

Give it up ENT.

There's no evidence of an airliner hitting the Pentagon at all.

The airline skin debris found scattered on the Pentagon lawn left and west of the collapsed building section was free of any smoke damage.

Only one jet engine was found in the debris, the second one was not found, mysteriously vapourised, as Bush put it.

As you say, it's impossible to make anything, including a plane full of people disappear into thin air, as Bush claimed,that it "vapourised".
And again, as you say above, "What have they found?

The families of those purported to be passengers on AA Flt 77 haven't said much yet, no indignant letters to the editor or public anger at those who deny the official story. If you can find some reference to such complaints, please post some links to them.

On the other hand, there's a lot of public anger at the US government's attitude to the first responders' dilemma after the WTC horror, many of whom have expressed disgust, ange and confusion at the official explanation of the Twin Tower's collapse.

It's not a matter of belief when questioning the official story, but one of looking for all possible evidence to support that line, or another explanation that fits the evidence available.

The believers of Bush et al's explanation have no desire to accept anything but that official line simply because the alternative answer is too scary to cope with, the idea that Big Brother would do this to its own people.

And, your ad hominem attacks prove nothing about the issue, they only distract from the topic at hand and cause confusion.

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"Latindancer : As a mattter of fact, I studied Okinawan Karate before Bruce Lee became famous. Then continued with other styles.But as for the simple mechanics of building collapse, it really _IS_ Popular Mechanics stuff" latindancer re. WTC 911.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ty-or-not.html

Schapelle Corby : The Aussie girl who got busted in Bali.....together with more lunacy from ENT.....perhaps it's a little specialized if you didn't follow the story in the media. Not classic ENT, but still stupid.

Not familiar with that - was she some kind of drug smuggler and did ENT defend her actions based on what the flying saucers told him?

Originally Posted by ENT

There's no evidence of an airliner hitting the Pentagon at all.

The airline skin debris found scattered on the Pentagon lawn left and west of the collapsed building section was free of any smoke damage.

Only one jet engine was found in the debris, the second one was not found, mysteriously vapourised, as Bush put it.

As you say, it's impossible to make anything, including a plane full of people disappear into thin air, as Bush claimed,that it "vapourised".
And again, as you say above, "What have they found?

- he didn't say, "what have they found", he asked "what happened to the plane?" - which you refuse to contemplate.

- you are the one who implies that there *was* a plane, and that it essentially disappeared into thin air. Otherwise, where is it?

- just you saying there is no evidence, does not make it so - evidence and proof do not work that way. "Because I say so" does not constitute proof.

- both engines were found. In fact I posted the pictures of both engines within this thread, and within the links provided (as if I needed any more proof that you do not bother reading links and looking at evidence, after you DEMAND evidence and links).

Under normal conditions, I would brand you as a liar, and rife with dishonesty - but based on your hallucinogenic drug history, and your statements in other threads, I tend to think that LD is correct with his diagnosis that you are suffering from a mental affliction - most likely psychosis.

I see no reason to assume this not to be the case for our anti-Zionist buddy in this thread as well....

Originally Posted by westozguy

"You will notice that the posters who support the conspiracy theory can not come up with basic answers to what actually happened to the plane and its people."

It is NOT for the "posters who support the conspiracy theory" to come up with these basic answers.

It IS for the official explanation of the events to match the true evidence which clearly it does not and never did from day one.

Our ummm, "posters of dubious sincerity" within this thread (you know, the ones "arguing" so mendaciously some flavor of "ARAB MUSLIMS DID 9/11" ) have demonstrated that they have no intention of giving up their trusty Disinformation Rule #19:

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs . This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon [or the fate of the 9/11 planes, passengers & crew ]). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

...and our "posters of dubious sincerity" will form their little self-supporting drum circle, all making-believe that "if you can't provide an answer to our 'impossible proof' question..." (which we BOTH know is impossible to provide an answer to given that the 9/11 PERPS have long since ensured that the necessary evidence to provide said answer has been hidden/destroyed );

"... then your (9/11 Truth researchers) entire case against the Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory has NO MERIT!!!


I trust our HONEST readers can see how our posters of dubious sincerity herein, continuously & shamelessly insult your intelligence with their fraudulent "logic" ^

Architects & Engineers:

Solving the Mystery of
World Trade Center Building 7

I'm really not convinced that mixing up fonts, colours, upper and lower case, exclamation marks and smileys adds to the credibility of the points being made.

Originally Posted by westozguy

Even the video posted in this thread of the F-14 going into the wall - as "evidence" to your argument, clearly shows in the slo-mo replay, the wings of that F-14 slicing through the wall - go on, watch it again !

Jeezuz Kryst - it's like holding a conversation with medieval peasants...

The wings did NOT slice through the wall -- the wing tips (the portions extending beyond the concrete block) continued on after being sliced off cleanly by the sized of the concrete block -- as such, the non vaporized objects (the wing tips) continued on, as any object in motion is wont to do.

I can't even believe I have to explain this to what is presumably a grown adult.

Originally Posted by westozguy

There is NO WAY all that wreckage would have passed through that hole !

(rolls eyes, shakes head, walks away)

(there comes a point when even I will just mutter "fucking morons" under my breath)

Originally Posted by benbaaa

I'm really not convinced that mixing up fonts, colours, upper and lower case, exclamation marks and smileys adds to the credibility of the points being made.

Apparently it's some kind of tell.

It tells that they have all been trained by the same training camp.... or they all suffer from the same delusions.

YELLOW must be a TELL color!

You do the math.