Thread: Hydrogen power, the future alternative fuel.

Originally Posted by lom

ENT has a difficulty understanding

Full stop.
FIFY.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by ENT

In normal circumstances, at night with a full load on the battery, lights, radio, aircon etc, the alternator will keep generating electricity and keep the battery topped up, without any extra fuel being used to run the car's motor.

Rubbish.

Originally Posted by ENT

No extra carbon based fuel is used at all to generate the HHO.

Rubbish.

You're verging on perpetual motion.

Of course there is a greater load on the engine (and thus more fuel consumed) when the alternator is re-charging the battery.
AC alone brings up to 10% more fuel consumption.

Stop pretending to be a scientist. You're a googler and not a very thorough one at that.

Typical of an envious multi-nicking stalker.
There's no perpetual motion theory involved, dopey, it's all simple high school science.

The alternator is continually charging the battery as it's store of electricity is depleted.

If I upped the amps to say 25 in order to increase HHO production, a noticeable drop in revs in the motor occurs, so increasing fuel consumption.
Are you trying to say that more fuel is burned by a car running at night with its lights on than when those lights are switched off?

How do you account for a reduction of 30% in fuel consumption when HHO is used, as attested by thousands of HHO users? Just answer that one question, it should be easy for you.

You sound as dippy as a Thai engineer I met, a passenger in the SUV fitted with an HHO system, that I was driving at the time, who calculated that the HHO system in the SUV could not possibly work, as it ran smoother, with more power, better acceleration, cleaner exhaust and using 30% less fuel as we drove, even after driving for 2 hours! Fuel consumption was measured and verified as being 30% less and the car battery was fully charged.

But no, he was stuck in the dark ages of belief and disinformation touted by all opponents of the use of hydrogen in an internal,combustion motor.

As usual, your dismal comprehension skills are absent.
Look at what I called rubbish: "In normal circumstances, at night with a full load on the battery, lights, radio, aircon etc, the alternator will keep generating electricity and keep the battery topped up, without any extra fuel being used to run the car's motor."
That is total rubbish. Air con uses about 10% more fuel. Lights use more still.



What your talking about is the HHO, which does draw more electricity and thus consumes fuel, however has a net decrease in consumption as it releases the energy in the hydrogen.

Your idea that the alternator does not cause greater fuel consumption when electrical load is applied is the same as the idea of this really dumb labourer I met who thought you can put a windmill on a boat and make electricity as the boat speeds around. Sure, you can, but there will be extra drag on the boat, thus more fuel used to maintain the same speed, and this is not compensated for by the electrical energy produced by the windmill.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

What your talking about is the HHO, which does draw more electricity and thus consumes fuel, however has a net decrease in consumption as it releases the energy in the hydrogen.

So a saving of 30% in fuel consumption, plus a better performing motor.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Maanaam

What your talking about is the HHO, which does draw more electricity and thus consumes fuel, however has a net decrease in consumption as it releases the energy in the hydrogen.

So a saving of 30% in fuel consumption, plus a better performing motor.

Whatever.
Just don't try to explain why it does so.

Originally Posted by lom

.... energy can only be transformed but not created

You have difficulty in comprehending that that the energy inherent in water molecules is transformed by hydrolysis into energy inherent in both oxygen and hydrogen atoms, which energy is then further transformed into heat energy through combustion, replacing by 30% the energy previously derived from and inherent in the carbon based fossil fuel used.
There is not any more or less energy used by that method of fuel substitution to achieve a cleaner burning and more efficient motor.

It must be blindingly obvious to even a dipsh*t like you.

Originally Posted by Tommy

Originally Posted by Takeovers

But I strongly doubt this applies to electrolysis.

Think, and you will doubt..... Act, and you will know....

Tom

That's a fact.
None of the nay-sayers on this topic have even bothered to try fitting a cheap and simple hydrolizer to their car....too comfortable in their rut and scared of public opinion.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by lom

.... energy can only be transformed but not created

You have difficulty in comprehending that that the energy inherent in water molecules is transformed by hydrolysis into energy inherent in both oxygen and hydrogen atoms, which energy is then further transformed into heat energy through combustion, replacing by 30% the energy previously derived from and inherent in the carbon based fossil fuel used.
There is not any more or less energy used by that method of fuel substitution to achieve a cleaner burning and more efficient motor.

It must be blindingly obvious to even a dipsh*t like you.

What you have quoted is my reply regarding your belief that the cars 12V generator is some kind of a perpetum mobile not needing any more input energy when the output energy is increased.
You lack scientific knowledge of the basic kind that I thought everyone had learned in school during early teens.

What's your problem, are you Indian?

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by lom

.... energy can only be transformed but not created

You have difficulty in comprehending that that the energy inherent in water molecules is transformed by hydrolysis into energy inherent in both oxygen and hydrogen atoms, which energy is then further transformed into heat energy through combustion, replacing by 30% the energy previously derived from and inherent in the carbon based fossil fuel used.
There is not any more or less energy used by that method of fuel substitution to achieve a cleaner burning and more efficient motor.

It must be blindingly obvious to even a dipsh*t like you.

What you have quoted is my reply regarding your belief that the cars 12V generator is some kind of a perpetum mobile not needing any more input energy when the output energy is increased.
You lack scientific knowledge of the basic kind that I thought everyone had learned in school during early teens.

What's your problem, are you Indian?

What's your problem,..are you thick? Or just a racist pr*ck? Or both?

I quoted nothing of the sort, liar.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Maanaam

What your talking about is the HHO, which does draw more electricity and thus consumes fuel, however has a net decrease in consumption as it releases the energy in the hydrogen.

So a saving of 30% in fuel consumption, plus a better performing motor.

By your tone and your backing away from your really dumb assertion that lights, aircon etc don't produce a load that consumes more fuel, I guess you've done your googling.Heaven knows how you got by pre-internet days.
Admitting when you're wrong would produce a little bit of respect, and God knows you need some as you've got none at the moment. You called me a dope for telling you where you were wrong, and now you know you were wrong. Who's the dope?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Maanaam

What your talking about is the HHO, which does draw more electricity and thus consumes fuel, however has a net decrease in consumption as it releases the energy in the hydrogen.

So a saving of 30% in fuel consumption, plus a better performing motor.

.. your ..assertion that lights, aircon etc don't produce a load that consumes more fuel, ...

Where did I say that ya dopey liar?

Originally Posted by ENT

I quoted nothing of the sort, liar.

Yes you did, liar.
But I suppose it's unfair to call you a liar when really it's just your usual inability to comprehend and to jump to irrational conclusions.

You asserted that no more energy was used when you turned on the aircon and lights.
He quoted the law of conservation of energy which makes your dumb assertion wrong. It's a universal law, old fella, and overrules your unscientific ideas.

Seems you've done your googling now, but just in case.... in your world where running a car engine can produce unlimited electricity, why don't cars have extra batteries to store all that magical electricity that the alternator is producing for free? End of the world's energy crisis! You're brilliant, ENT old chap. Absolutely brilliant. World class scientist.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Maanaam

What your talking about is the HHO, which does draw more electricity and thus consumes fuel, however has a net decrease in consumption as it releases the energy in the hydrogen.

So a saving of 30% in fuel consumption, plus a better performing motor.

.. your ..assertion that lights, aircon etc don't produce a load that consumes more fuel, ...

Where did I say that ya dopey liar?

Post 169, verbatim; "In normal circumstances, at night with a full load on the battery, lights, radio, aircon etc, the alternator will keep generating electricity and keep the battery topped up, without any extra fuel being used to run the car's motor."
We've been over that particular bit of nonsense already...you're so quick to forget, or just plain thick.
Dopey liar.

Yup, I said that, and should have said that the energy used to run the headlights is miniscule, compared to that used by the other accessories such as aircon.
Still, the energy used for the hydrolizer was less than that used by the lights and other accessories.

The hydrolizer I made was fitted with a 15 amp fuse, but produced sufficient HHO to run the car at 1.5 amps.

Originally Posted by ENT

The hydrolizer I made was fitted with a 15 amp fuse, but produced sufficient HHO to run the car at 1.5 amps.

18 watts. Not bad at all when you consider headlights are circa 50 W.

I ran a motorcycle on a homemade hho booster. Used 7 rvs (L316) plates in series (which makes 6 cells). Just a testrun as i had to remove some covers to make space for the setup.

Used battery dc. Not pulsed. Added destilled water and mixed with bakingsoda until i got 7amps, so using 7x12= 84watts. To not burn or burden the alternator too much i removed temporary the headbulb (which is always on and uses 50w). Mounted an amp and voltmeter on my cockpit for monitoring. Also bubbler was installed for arresting backflash. Output hho-》bubbler-》air inlet carb.

Got a 15 to 20% better fuel efficiency out of testrun. This stuff works! Little tweaking can save you money at the pump.

Similar cell/plate system as my son's been using.

Hydrogen fuel cell

Another way

Again...

And..

Easy made....

Easily assembled.

Glad you like it.

India's moving ahead with its HHO ......