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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    all state can issues these for about $5-7 dollars
    Which is a poll tax and therefore unconstitutional.

    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    remember the dead people voting in the recent past decades? Many instances of this fraud
    Show where 'dead people voting' has changed the result of an election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quimbian corholla View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    all state can issues these for about $5-7 dollars
    Which is a poll tax and therefore unconstitutional.
    You may think so, but please look at this:

    How can someone vote WITHOUT any I.D.?

    This is why voting fraud has happened and continuous to be a problem (in addition to dead people voting and multiple votes cast by the same person.

    I do NOT believe a person must have an I.D. It's a classification of the state.

    But think of this. How can you buy booze? How about just entering an igh club, whether it's a dive or expensive? Buy smokes? A lottery ticket? Go to a casino which are all over my county? Get a Social Security number? Medicaid? Get a driver's license?

    If someone (the very FEW people of this nation) does not want to carry or own any ID, that if fine.

    But they should not be voting.

    Voting happens rarely. ID needs are common. If someone cannot provide a piece of I.D. they should - on the own accord not vote - for the integrity of the vote counts.

    How many peopel? - What percentage? - have absolutely no I.D.?

    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    remember the dead people voting in the recent past decades? Many instances of this fraud
    Show where 'dead people voting' has changed the result of an election.
    Remember chicago, 1960.

    Minnesota 1984, did not change the election, but by your argument you have just stated that it is ok for dead people to vote, if it does not change the election.

    But you forgot one thing:

    Local elections. City, county, and state.

    Fact......
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    Gun licenses vary by state- there is virtually no ID requirement in some southern states, that's why the Mexican drug cartels buy their guns there. Others are very stringent. It seems dubious- well, outright politically motivated, for a state to accept gun carrying ID, but not student ID, as voter identification. Without exception- and without proof for that matter- I will assert that all states that do this have Republican controlled legislatures. Some coincidence, ehh?

    The Constitutional right to vote and for that vote to be counted (Universal Suffrage) is very important. just ask the average Thai. Similarly however, voter legitimacy is important- the public must have faith in the voting outcome, and it's legitimacy. It is not appropriate that the various States are able to tamper with these requirements individually- for example it has escaped no ones attention that all of the states attempting to 'tighten' voter ID requirements are Republican controlled. Then again, a diehard Republican might say it is also obvious that those states that have 'loose' voter ID requirements tend to be Democrat controlled, and it is therefore not in their political interest to alter them.

    The issue of voter fraud in an existing sense, is tiny- several studies have shown that. Otoh, it is not a tiny Issue- because if voter fraud were to be used as a 'tactic' to alter an electoral outcome, it would of course follow that this would occur in those states where the vote is fairly evenly split. Case in point Florida, George Bush, 2000- the Florida result, and hence the US presidency, was decided in court- and several shortcomings in the voting system were exposed. That shouldn't happen- it hardly reinforces the citizenry's faith in the political system.

    These matters are far too important to be decided ad hoc by 50 different States, and it is blatantly obvious that current attempts to tighten voter requirements are only occurring in solidly Republican controlled States, whatever their merit and justification. Voter enfranchisement and universal suffrage is a Federal matter- it's not like you can have one state run along the lines of a banana republic, another like a quasi socialist anarchy.

    An independent commission should be set up, and voter registration and ID requirements standardised nationwide. The states have no business tampering with this, and neither should a particular form of ID be legalised in one state, outlawed in another. It's a sick joke that in two states you can vote while incarcerated- but in two other states you can never vote again if incarcerated!

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    Obama Asks Cleveland Chicken Seller How Business Was Going: “Terrible Since You Got Here”…

    Obama: How's business. Cleveland chicken seller: "Terrible since you got here."

    Have the wheels fallen off or what?

    Obama was reported to be less than amused at said Chicken Sellers reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Obama Asks Cleveland Chicken Seller How Business Was Going: “Terrible Since You Got Here”…

    Obama: How's business. Cleveland chicken seller: "Terrible since you got here."

    Have the wheels fallen off or what?

    Obama was reported to be less than amused at said Chicken Sellers reply.
    Another wannabe 'Joe the Plumber?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    An independent commission should be set up, and voter registration and ID requirements standardised nationwide. The states have no business tampering with this, and neither should a particular form of ID be legalised in one state, outlawed in another. It's a sick joke that in two states you can vote while incarcerated- but in two other states you can never vote again if incarcerated!
    Tend to agree with the need for some kind of ID, though I'm not firmly committed to it for the reason you mention: it's very very rare and not a problem. The current level of security seems to be working, and why create another level of Government in our lives. Right...all you Tea Partiers?

    However, the wholesale falsification of documents the Republican Party hired hacks did in 5 or 6 States recently--leading the Rethughs to immediatly fire them in every state--can be a problem. It backfired on the Rethugs. (for all their smarts at making money, they sure are a clumsy lot).

    I think most reasonable people can see the flaws in the American electoral system. Don't forget voting machines. No paper trail, no record, no need to even bring your own vaseline. But the problem with the voter ID laws was it was last minute. People didn't have time to get their original birth certifate, SS number, etc. to prove their ID. And most people in those areas didn't have the resources, or were working a job. Parts of Ohio were going to allow some Rethug voting locations to remain open late, while other Dem ones closed right on time.
    It was clearly Jim Crow revisited.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong but the ID requirement and background check for buying a gun is federal.

    Clinton passed it in 1993 or 1994.

    Did it expire?

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    Heh...no wonder Obama cannot run on his record. Probably the worst of any president at any time. To wit:



    Any questions? And you can't blame Bush either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quimbian corholla View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    all state can issues these for about $5-7 dollars
    Which is a poll tax and therefore unconstitutional.
    To respond to your comment again, corholla.

    I doubt it would be classified as a "poll tax."

    If so, tell me the instance.

    You have to travel to get to the polling station. Most people drive cars. Is the gasoline needed to drive to the voting place a "poll tax too?"

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    Gas prices over $4.39/gal in CA. And they be voting for the obammer.
    USA National Gas Price Heat Map - GasBuddy.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham View Post
    Gas prices over $4.39/gal in CA. And they be voting for the obammer.
    USA National Gas Price Heat Map - GasBuddy.com
    FFS Minnie, Obama doesn't set the gas prices.

    What affects gas prices is stock market speculation and manipulation.
    It's generally Romney and his ilk (Rich white men) that partake in stock market speculation and manipulation.

    It's this kind of idiotic statement that makes people shake their heads at you lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham View Post
    Gas prices over $4.39/gal in CA. And they be voting for the obammer.
    USA National Gas Price Heat Map - GasBuddy.com
    President of the US do not control gas prices.

    There is a delivery issue in California.

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    Here we go with the Voter Fraud which is the Hallmark of the Democrats:

    Voter fraud: "Oh, my God. This is so funny. It’s cool though."

    Quote from the regional field director for Obama’s Organizing For America, caught on video helping a woman who was obviously trying to vote twice.
    Caballero... offers the videographer an excuse to get out of trouble is she gets caught committing voter fraud: “Come up with like if anyone checks say ‘I don’t know.’”

    Althouse: Voter fraud: "Oh, my God. This is so funny. It’s cool though."

    And they think they won't be found out?
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    Exactly why you seek to discredit the very same party you have allegiance to is beyond me, booner. Just watch while the niggers, wetbacks and 47% exercise their right, at the Ballot box. You won't like it.

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    'niggers' & 'wetbacks' [sic] indeed...

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    And '47%' [sic] indeed...


    Oh, thats right. I'm a latte liberal, and we are the real racists. Sorry I called the coons niggers, then.
    You see mate, some of us can't even really pretend to be racist. Our vote tends to swing, too.
    Neither do we believe that the national socialist party was actually left wing. Or that Obama is a closet muzzie, born in Kenya.
    These frenetic efforts at gaining votes with the 'middle ground' are an epic fail. You have lost touch with the centre.
    Last edited by sabang; 11-10-2012 at 05:19 PM.

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    Heh...& it's my opinion you've lost touch completely.

    Not recognizing Obama's pathetic creds etc.

    It's like that Black chick - some movie star who just came out in favor of Romney and is getting lambasted for it. She said something to the effect that she's voting for Romney not because he's White but because he's the better candidate.

    Carry on with that LWG (Liberal White Guilt) y'all have hanging around yer necks like a giant Albatross...

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    New Ad Exposes Barack Obama’s Support for Slaughter of Babies Born Alive After Failed Abortions

    The Nurse, The Extremist, The Survivor - YouTube

    This week Women Speak Out PAC released a new ad exposing his radical support for infanticide.

    You think he just might be an extremist or something?

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    Obama claims to have created more jobs than Reagan -

    Let’s Look at Some Facts


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    It’s Come to This… Obama Camp Sends Out Babs to Beg For Cash


    They’re 6 points down in the latest poll.
    They’re broke.
    They spent too much money.
    It’s so bad they’ve sent out Babs to beg for cash.



    Barbara Streisand, Hollywood mega star and Obama supporter, sent out an emergency email to the entire Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee mailing list to get everyone to pony up and give President Obama some last minute donations. President Obama is in the homestretch of his battle for a second term against Republican challenger Mitt Romney.

    Barbara Streisand Sends Out Emergency Email To Raise Money For Obama

    Hell, send out Madonna too! That would be a sure-fire way to raise money!

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    ^^ This is the real election story. We already know how most states are going to vote, basically-

    To oust the Democratic incumbent, Romney would need to take up-for-grabs Florida, Colorado, Nevada, North Carolina, New Hampshire and Virginia, which would put him at 267 votes, and upend Obama in either Ohio or Iowa.
    As race stands, Obama within reach of second term | The Mesh Report

    I won't say it's not doable, but it's a tall order. A lot of pollsters are saying it might come down to one state- Ohio- but Romney shot himself in the foot there with his comments re the auto industry bailouts.

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    Heh...I'd sooner put my money on Gallup etc than the Mesh Report?

    Who the hell are they?

    Want some FrontPage quotes btw?

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    No booner, look at any of the 'poll of polls' that I am aware of, and they all tell the same story. Romney needs a bounce to stand a realistic chance- stay tuned for the debate..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    No booner, look at any of the 'poll of polls' that I am aware of, and they all tell the same story. Romney needs a bounce to stand a realistic chance- stay tuned for the debate..
    Don't get cocky...

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    I'm sure the Democrats aren't feeling cocky.

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