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    Heh...



    https://donate.barackobama.com/page/...ADLINE2_DONATE

    No comment from George Soros...

    btw, who's looking at shadows 'cause his whole record will bring him down, eh?


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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post

    A Karl Rove map: Election 2012 | Karl Rove

    Obama with leans: 280

    Romney with leans AAAND toss-ups: 258

    Obama wins, again
    Are you saying Obama will be the first president to lose the popular vote whilst winning the electoral vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    At least the Democrackheads are up front with you ... they don't hide that they're homos ... they don't hide that they'll knock your wife's boots ... they ain't gonna stab you in the back ... they'll just laugh at you for being dumb if you expected them to play fair.
    I concur. Someone like Bill Clinton if he is invited into your home he will drink your last beer, make a pass at your wife and he will wipe his ass on your couch to mark his territory. He'll look you straight in the eye and ask you what's the matter, you're the one who invited him in. It's your fault. It's your fault for expecting him to have any amount of respect for you or anyone else. He is who he is and you should respect him for being natural or for being true to himself. That's the way Clinton would see it.

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    What the fuck are you going on about?

    Quote Originally Posted by attaboy View Post
    Are you saying Obama will be the first president to lose the popular vote whilst winning the electoral vote?
    Gore popular vote: 50,999,897 Electoral votes: 266

    Dipshit Bush popular vote: 50,456,002 Electoral votes: 271

    Nut: Presidential Election of 2000, Electoral and Popular Vote Summary — Infoplease.com



    Has a presidential candidate ever lost the nationwide popular vote but been elected president in the Electoral College? Yes, three times:

    • In 1876 there were a total of 369 electoral votes available with 185 needed to win. Republican Rutherford B. Hayes, with 4,036,298 popular votes won 185 electoral votes. His main opponent, Democrat Samuel J. Tilden, won the popular vote with 4,300,590 votes, but won only 184 electoral votes. Hayes was elected president.

    • In 1888 there were a total of 401 electoral votes available with 201 needed to win. Republican Benjamin Harrison, with 5,439,853 popular votes won 233 electoral votes. His main opponent, Democrat Grover Cleveland, won the popular vote with 5,540,309 votes, but won only 168 electoral votes. Harrison was elected president.

    • In 2000 there were a total of 538 electoral votes available with 270 needed to win. Republican George W. Bush, with 50,456,002 popular votes won 271 electoral votes. His Democratic opponent, Al Gore, won the popular vote with 50,999,897 votes, but won only 266 electoral votes. Bush was elected president.

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    Bad news for Obama, which naturally will be played up in the media:-

    Jobs Report May 2012: U.S. Employers Added 69,000 Jobs In May As The Unemployment Rate Rose To 8.2 Percent

    WASHINGTON — The U.S. economy suddenly looks a lot weaker.

    Only 69,000 jobs were added in May, the fewest in a year, and the unemployment rate rose from 8.1 percent to 8.2 percent.

    The dismal jobs data will heighten fears that the economy is sputtering. It also puts President Barack Obama on the defensive five months before his re-election bid.

    The Labor Department also said Friday that the economy added far fewer jobs in the previous two months than first thought – 11,000 fewer in March and 38,000 fewer in April. And the increase in unemployment was the first in 11 months.

    Jobs Report May 2012: U.S. Employers Added 69,000 Jobs In May As The Unemployment Rate Rose To 8.2 Percent

    Republican Presidencies have a much weaker record of job creation than Democrats actually, from Kennedy onwards. But that will certainly not stop the Romney campaign from plugging the jobs angle, in a weak economy. So I'd expect Obamas approval rating to come down a few points, and open up the Presidential race accordingly. The GOP is still whistlin' dixie methinks- but, as even some of their people have said, the Congressional race is pretty much as important in 2012 as Potus. Any negative news that enables the GOP to retain seats in Congress empowers them to continue their serial obstructionism.

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    You have to wonder who are these people that are still giving money to this charlatan? What's their motivation?

    Incredible: In Wake of Jobs Disaster, Obama Departs for Six Fundraisers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post
    What the fuck are you going on about?

    Quote Originally Posted by attaboy View Post
    Are you saying Obama will be the first president to lose the popular vote whilst winning the electoral vote?
    Gore popular vote: 50,999,897 Electoral votes: 266

    Dipshit Bush popular vote: 50,456,002 Electoral votes: 271

    Nut: Presidential Election of 2000, Electoral and Popular Vote Summary — Infoplease.com

    Has a presidential candidate ever lost the nationwide popular vote but been elected president in the Electoral College? Yes, three times:

    • In 1876 there were a total of 369 electoral votes available with 185 needed to win. Republican Rutherford B. Hayes, with 4,036,298 popular votes won 185 electoral votes. His main opponent, Democrat Samuel J. Tilden, won the popular vote with 4,300,590 votes, but won only 184 electoral votes. Hayes was elected president.

    • In 1888 there were a total of 401 electoral votes available with 201 needed to win. Republican Benjamin Harrison, with 5,439,853 popular votes won 233 electoral votes. His main opponent, Democrat Grover Cleveland, won the popular vote with 5,540,309 votes, but won only 168 electoral votes. Harrison was elected president.

    • In 2000 there were a total of 538 electoral votes available with 270 needed to win. Republican George W. Bush, with 50,456,002 popular votes won 271 electoral votes. His Democratic opponent, Al Gore, won the popular vote with 50,999,897 votes, but won only 266 electoral votes. Bush was elected president.

    Are you a US citizen? Electoral College: How to Lose, But Win an Election




    Obama's going to lose and it's shaping up to be a blowout.

    Sorry to burst your bubble Landreth. Gore lost fair and square according to THE NEW YORK TIMES.
    EXAMINING THE VOTE: THE OVERVIEW; Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote

    By FORD FESSENDEN and JOHN M. BRODER

    Published: November 12, 2001

    A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.

    Contrary to what many partisans (guess who qualifies ) of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court.

    Even under the strategy that Mr. Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida standoff -- filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties -- Mr. Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted for a consortium of news organizations.
    If you go on to read the 3 pages you'll find that Gore might have won in convoluted contorted methods of counting.

    But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots. This also assumes that county canvassing boards would have reached the same conclusions about the disputed ballots that the consortium's independent observers did. The findings indicate that Mr. Gore might have eked out a victory if he had pursued in court a course like the one he publicly advocated when he called on the state to ''count all the votes.''
    Now how long do you think it would have taken to do a statewide recount? First they had to agree on how the ballots would be recounted. That decision was never settled in the four counties that Gore initially asked to be recounted. How long would it have taken to hash it out statewide? Gore asked for a recount in four counties that weighed heavily for the Democrats and he lost.

    Basically, there were too many variables (specifically allowing each separate county canvassing board to count the votes how they saw fit) for an accurate count to be made.

    The US Supreme Court stated that in order for each citizen's vote to count equally, the recount must be made in a uniform manner in all counties in an equal manner in all counties.

    You cannot have members of the county canvassing board interpret for the voter the voter's intention when casting their vote because in affect the canvassing board member is voting for the citizen, the canvassing board member is voting more than once. That is why a ballot that does not meet the standard cannot be counted. It gets tossed.

    For example you and others are assuming Gore won if the canvassing board members were allowed to interpret the intent of a voter who punched two holes in the ballot. How could that be reasonably and fairly done?

    The US Supreme Court put a stop to the recount because the Florida Supreme Court stated it was legal for each separate county to count the votes as they saw fit. To the Fla. SC it was a states right's issue. To the US Supreme Court it was, I'm guessing, a civil rights issue - one citizen one vote and that vote must be equal to all others.

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    To clarify the "one citizen one vote and that vote must be equal to all others" issue.

    1. the votes must be counted in a uniform manner. If a hanging chad is counted in one county it must be counted in all counties. This way each voter's vote is counted equally. The Florida Supreme Court said "no" each individual county can count the ballots any way they see fit. If it were done in the manner the Fla. SC approved of each county could have recounted the ballots over and over changing the criteria until they obtained the desired result they were striving for.

    2. allowing a canvassing board member to interpret a voter's intent in effect allows the canvassing board member to vote more than once. He get's to vote again and again using each ballot he is interpreting.




    To follow up on the ballot recount. Say you have a canvassing board member look at a ballot and declare the voter's intent was to vote for Gore. What happens if a different canvassing board member contests it? The other member says he does not see the voter's intent to vote for Gore. Then what? How long does it take to settle it if ever? Now do that with a statewide recount. There was not enough time to do it. By law the votes must be certified and the result sent to the Congress.

    Key Electoral College Dates and Events View all the 2008 Presidential Election Key Dates
    • November 4, 2008 - General Election:
      The voters in each State choose electors to serve in the Electoral College. As soon as election results are final, the States prepare seven original "Certificates of Ascertainment" of the electors chosen, and send one original along with two certified copies to the Archivist of the United States at the Office of the Federal Register.
    • December 15, 2008 - Meeting of Electors:
      The electors in each State meet to select the President and Vice President of the United States. The electors record their votes on six "Certificates of Vote," which are paired with the six remaining original "Certificates of Ascertainment." The electors sign, seal and certify the packages of electoral votes and immediately send them to the Federal and State officials listed in these instructions.
    • December 24, 2008 - Deadline for Receipt of Electoral Votes:
      The President of the Senate, the Archivist of the United States, and other designated Federal and State officials must have the electoral votes in hand.
    • January 6, 2009 - Counting Electoral Votes in Congress:
      The Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes (unless Congress passes a law to change the date).

    From CNN:

    December 2: Sauls opens two days of proceedings on Gore's challenge to the Florida results. The vice president asks for a count of about 14,000 "undervotes" from Palm Beach and Miami-Dade counties.


    December 3: With Gore's election contest in court in Tallahassee, Bush meets with Republican congressional leaders at his Texas ranch to discuss the transition.


    December 4: Sauls rejects Gore's contest to the Florida results, finding the vice president failed to show that hand recounts would have affected the results. Gore appeals to the Florida Supreme Court. Meanwhile, the U.S. Supreme Court asks the Florida Supreme Court to explain its reasoning in extending the hand recounts, returning the case to Tallahassee and putting off any action in Bush's appeal objecting to the recounts.
    They are still arguing over two counties and the clock is ticking.


    December 6: Two lawsuits asking judges to toss out some 25,000 absentee ballots in predominantly Republican Seminole and Martin counties go to trial in Tallahassee. Florida House Speaker Tom Feeney and Senate President John McKay, both Republicans, announce the state Legislature will convene to select electors.
    December 7: Gore's legal team argues before the Florida Supreme Court that Sauls was wrong to uphold the certification of Florida's election results. Bush's attorneys urge the seven-member panel to let Sauls' decision stand.


    December 8: Divided 4-3, the Florida Supreme Court orders manual recounts in all counties with significant numbers of presidential undervotes
    Bush appeals the decision to the U.S. Supreme Court and seeks injunctive relief to stop the hand recounts. The Florida Legislature meets to begin the process of choosing electors on its own. Circuit judges in Tallahassee rule against Democratic challenges to absentee ballots in Martin and Seminole counties.


    December 9: The U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-4 ruling, halts the manual recounts and sets a hearing on the matter two days later.


    December 11: Bush's lawyers argue before the U.S. Supreme Court in that the Florida high court again overstepped its bounds by ordering a manual recount of undervotes in Gore's election contest. Gore's lawyers argue that the U.S. Supreme Court has no reason to intervene in the state court contest.
    Gore conceded on December 13. How could they have done a statewide recount given the amount of time remaining? Here's another thing, if a recount was done and Gore was ahead, how much time would their have been for Bush to contest the findings? Zero. That's was Gore's plan to run the clock out as far as he could while finding the necessary votes to win leaving Bush no time to contest the results.


    Gore lost. He asked for a recount in four counties he felt he had a chance in. Bush said okay. The votes weren't there for Gore. He lost according to the plea he made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    You have to wonder who are these people that are still giving money to this charlatan? What's their motivation?

    Incredible: In Wake of Jobs Disaster, Obama Departs for Six Fundraisers.
    When you hand out hundreds of billions to cronies under the guise of "stimulus" they have plenty to give back to you, which was the plan all along. Their motivation is four more years of it, courtesy of the taxpayers.

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    The GOP- change you can't believe in.




    Have they changed a single one of their positions since the disastrous Bush administration? That's a big nope.
    They are just selling the same old failed economic, social & diplomatic policies more stridently, to a dwindling audience.

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    Thursday, May 31

    Race/Topic
    (Click to Sort)PollResultsSpread
    Ohio: Romney vs. ObamaRasmussen ReportsObama 44, Romney 46Romney +2
    Nevada: Romney vs. ObamaNBC News/MaristObama 48, Romney 46Obama +2
    Colorado: Romney vs. ObamaNBC News/MaristObama 46, Romney 45Obama +1


    Obama is fading. It's June. If things keep trending come August Obama won't have sufficient time to reverse it.


    Adios muchaco!



    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

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    ROMNEY:
    Mitt Romney claims the unemployment rate in Massachusetts fell during his tenure as governor, and that he created 40,000 jobs in his last year in office.

    THE RECORD:
    As the nation’s economy grew and the median income rose, under Romney, Massachusetts plummeted from 36th to 47th out of 50 states in job creation, and the median income declined.

    fail: Mitt Romney's record on jobs | Romney Economics | Mitt Romney's private sector record

    Romney economics: Mitt Romney's Massachusetts record | Romney Economics | Mitt Romney's private sector record

    Individual state polls are nice to see (except for biased Rasmussen), but they don’t show the entire picture/trend.

    The graph below shows Romney has never held any kinda notional lead except to two short blips. And never will





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    Obama's Economic Plan:

    "Go Buy a Thingamajig"

    Obama Economic Plan: Go Buy A Thingamajig - YouTube

    During an event Obama admits that Obama's economic plan is to help Americans buy a "Thingamajig" (June 1, 2012)


    Heard it all now...

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    I think there is a change of momentum happening - away from Obama. The term "stunning" is just headline hype. But the numbers are worth looking at.

    Here is one of many examples:

    Obama Is Losing A Stunning Amount Of African-American Support In North Carolina

    Brett LoGiurato


    Read more: Obama Is Doing Stunningly Bad Among African Americans In North Carolina - Business Insider
    ............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Obama's Economic Plan:

    "Go Buy a Thingamajig"

    Obama Economic Plan: Go Buy A Thingamajig - YouTube

    During an event Obama admits that Obama's economic plan is to help Americans buy a "Thingamajig" (June 1, 2012)


    Heard it all now...
    And they said Bush was an idiot when he encouraged people to go shopping. Instead of "the Emperor has no clothes", in the case of Obama, the genius forgot to put his pants on.

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    With 4.5 months to go, it's going to be interesting!



    Romney’s campaign bus — adorned with the words “Conservative. Businessman. Leader” today repeatedly honked at and took several laps around a group of Obama supporters before a campaign speech to be given by President Obama in Cleveland today, according to a tweet by CBS White House correspondent Mark Knoller.
    Romney even moved his speech up to precede Obama’s speech. Obama is set to address the event at 1:45 p.m. ET, while Romney moved his planned 1:50 p.m. speech up to 1:30 p.m., getting a head start on the president.
    This isn’t the first time the Romney team has antagonized Obama campaign events. In Massachusetts last month, Romney supporters greeted Obama senior adviser David Axelrod at a campaign event by shouting and blowing bubbles at those in attendance

    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...supporters.php
    A Deplorable Bitter Clinger

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    This poll says it's a dead heat.

    NBC/WSJ poll: Obama, Romney remain in dead heat


    NBC/WSJ poll: Obama, Romney remain in dead heat - First Read

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    THE LAST SUPPER

    Awww. Sobby sobby sobby...
    Friend --
    I'm sad to say this is probably the last dinner with supporters that Barack and I will be able to host together before the election.
    Today's the last day you can chip in to be automatically entered for the chance to join us -- and I hope you will. You can donate all the way up to midnight tonight, when the campaign will randomly select the winners:
    https://donate.barackobama.com/Meet-Us-for-Dinner

    Thanks for everything you're doing. Every little bit makes a difference.
    Hope to see you at dinner,
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    Free for $530 in taxes? 55555555555

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    ^^and from the same poll and in the states where it matters,........

    Among swing-state respondents in the poll – those living in Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin – Obama leads Romney, 50 to 42 percent: NBC/WSJ poll: Obama, Romney remain in dead heat - First Read

    again, Obama Wins

    second term

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    Landreth, who was the leftie that said polls were not to be trusted in the 2010 Congressional races??? You know, the polls that said the Dems would maintain the House?

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    I'm of the view that referring to individual Polls at this stage is of limited value, and (obviously) generally cherry picked to support a partisan preference. Following the Huffpo 'poll of polls' though does show that the overall trend over the last two months or so is in favor of Mitt Romney, although he still has a considerable lag to make up to be anywhere near favorite. But at least it is a competition, which I am sure the Press dogs are pleased about.

    US politics- Super PAC's, closed door Lobbying, and Money. Pretty distressing actually, a malignant cancer if you ask me. No other democratic nation has abased itself to moneyed special interests as much, and it cheapens your democracy. The major offenders are the already mega Rich, and organised Labor, but they are merrily joined in this counterproductive mudfight by the NRA and old folks Lobby groups, etc. But it is a destructive spiral, that feeds upon itself. The more one side throws money at electioneering to support their own perceived self interest, the more the other side feels obliged to do the same. The victims are Objectivity, and the Truth. Your political system is in dire need of overhaul, and Obama (no thanks to the Supreme Court) totally failed in his stated aim of addressing this malaise..

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    Doesn't matter. Whatever it takes to rid us of that Obamanation that is Obama...

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    So if (as I expect) Mitt fails at the ballot box, will you be advocating military Coup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    So if (as I expect) Mitt fails at the ballot box, will you be advocating military Coup?
    It is already being openly advocated:


    More here: 20 Reasons why police avoid the Tea Party - Guns and Assault Rifles | Samuel Warde

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Following the Huffpo 'poll of polls' though does show that the overall trend over the last two months or so is in favor of Mitt Romney, although he still has a considerable lag to make up to be anywhere near favorite. But at least it is a competition, which I am sure the Press dogs are pleased about.
    When it’s gets closer to November you might want to check with FiveThirtyEight. They were only off by one state during the last presidential election. They missed Obama getting one extra state.




    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I'm of the view that referring to individual Polls at this stage is of limited value, and (obviously) generally cherry picked to support a partisan preference.
    But it is fun to rub it in their face. Poll out this morning: Presidential Swing States (FL, OH & PA) Poll * June 27, 2012 * ,.........

    Matching Obama against Romney in each of these key states - no one has won the White House since 1960 without taking at least two of them - shows:

    Florida: Obama edges Romney 45 - 41 percent;
    Ohio: Obama over Romney 47 - 38 percent;
    Pennsylvania: Obama tops Romney 45 - 39 percent.


    Rub, rub, rub


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