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View Poll Results: Is God real ?? Or is religion a scam ??
Yes, God is real. 10 22.22%
No, it's a big scam. 26 57.78%
Not sure, I'll know when I die. 9 20.00%
Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 26-05-2008, 11:04 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Lot's of guys angry about their religious upbringing in this thread, me thinks.

What was your granny's concept of 'god'?
Which other ones are there, any merit in any of them?
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Old 26-05-2008, 11:17 PM   #42 (permalink)
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But how did humans manage to mess it all up that bad ???
All got ugly a few thousand years ago when one group decided their myths were superior to others and proceeded to "correct" the beliefs of others. The ensuing "mess" has nothing to do with the existence of a supreme power but rather the steadfast belief that all who disagree with "my" version of god are doomed to hell or should be eradicated from the earth in the name of my god.
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Old 26-05-2008, 11:29 PM   #43 (permalink)
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My god(dess) will grind her crotch into your face until you submit.

I forgot, I'm also a big fan of another god -- Bacchus.
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Old 26-05-2008, 11:32 PM   #44 (permalink)
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^ I take that you also think of your country as some kind of god,

so that make you also a believer,
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Old 26-05-2008, 11:59 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Please take that nasty thing out of your mouth and try again in English please.
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Old 27-05-2008, 03:03 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Old 27-05-2008, 03:05 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Lot's of guys angry about their religious upbringing in this thread, me thinks.
I'm not.. I find it quite interesting..."God" I wish Ceburat would get online...
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Old 27-05-2008, 03:50 AM   #48 (permalink)
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All religions are basically philosophy, and if you want to make philosophy accessible to the uneducated or illiterate, then you are going to have to draw cartoons.
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Old 27-05-2008, 05:18 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Well I just had a chat with the big man, and he said all you non believers are going straight to hell, and those of you who live in sodom and gomorrah (Thailand) will have to blow satan off for eternity, whilst having a red hot poker up your arse.
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Old 27-05-2008, 06:12 AM   #50 (permalink)
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^ I understood BF perfectly...What is it with you merkins....
There you go interpreting your god's words to suit your needs.

Belief provides faith and faith is like pulling free energy out of the air. Faith is inspiring. Well, faith is free as long as you don't get caught up in the rigmarole of tenets and guilt.

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My guide in all of this, of course, the biggest name-dropper in science, is Albert Einstein, who mentioned God often enough that one could imagine he and the “Old One” had a standing date for coffee or tennis. To wit: “The Lord is subtle, but malicious he is not.”
Or this quote regarding the pesky randomness of quantum mechanics: “The theory yields much, but it hardly brings us closer to the Old One’s secrets. I, in any case, am convinced that He does not play dice.”

With Einstein, we always knew where he stood in relation to “God” — it was shorthand for the mystery and rationality of nature, the touchstones of the scientific experience. Cosmic mystery, Einstein said, is the most beautiful experience we can have, “the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of true art and true science.” “He who does not know it and can no longer wonder, no longer feel amazement,” he continued, “is as good as a snuffed-out candle.”

If we didn’t already have a name for the object of Einstein’s “cosmic religion,” we would have to invent one. It’s just too bad that the name has been tainted and trivialized by association with the image of a white-bearded Caucasian-looking creature who sits in the clouds attended by harp-strumming angels.

If Einstein were around today, he would likely be scolded every other time he opened his metaphor-laden mouth for giving aid and comfort to the creationists. Indeed, the architects of intelligent design have not been shy about interpreting his aversion to divine dice playing and a remark wondering if God had any choice in creating the world, as support for an intelligent designer. Einstein didn’t mean it that way, of course. He was only using a metaphor to wonder if it was possible to build more than one logically consistent universe. That’s a question that still provokes hot debate.
Particle Physics - Higgs Boson - What’s in a Name? Parsing the ‘God Particle,’ the Ultimate Metaphor - New York Times
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Old 27-05-2008, 10:08 AM   #51 (permalink)
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"God" I wish Ceburat would get online...
Unlikely considering the unnecessary disrespect and offensive piss-taking in this thread and others whenever the subject is 'discussed' in this fine religion forum.
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Old 27-05-2008, 10:14 AM   #52 (permalink)
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God is real AND religions are essentially a scam. I'm definitely with Stroller on this one. God is evident everywhere, that evidence being the natural beauty, order and complexity of the world. As the deists like to say, "God gave us reason, not religion".

(I'm glad Texpat is keeping score, because I'm not sure if this post means that the American nonbelievers' win streak has been stopped at 5.)
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Old 27-05-2008, 10:26 AM   #53 (permalink)
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^ I basically go along with that.
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Old 27-05-2008, 01:20 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Unlikely considering the unnecessary disrespect and offensive piss-taking in this thread
Would I ever....That's blasphemy...
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Old 27-05-2008, 01:35 PM   #55 (permalink)
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I have no problem with people saying that they don't believe in God.

People that say that God doesn't exist, there is no proof etc etc. Well that is your opinion and there is plenty of proof.

As I do believe in God that must mean all of you who say he does not exist think that I am a liar.
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Old 27-05-2008, 02:01 PM   #56 (permalink)
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God is evident everywhere, that evidence being the natural beauty, order and complexity of the world.
One could choose to call it evidence of god. I agree nature is evidence of a system of order but I do not believe this order is the result of some supreme intelligent being but rather a product of the way the universe works. From mankind's most primitive times we have always attributed god/gods/spirits as the cause of an observable effect we can not explain. As we increase understanding of the powers within the universe and how they all interact our perception of god evolves accordingly. This evolutionary perception of "god" will continue indefinitely for the simple reason humans seem to have an insatiable need to explain the unexplainable. We will never reach the point where all things can be explained but in the distant future our current belief's will be looked upon as quaint mythology!
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Old 27-05-2008, 02:08 PM   #57 (permalink)
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As I do believe in God that must mean all of you who say he does not exist think that I am a liar.
Only if you pretend to be a believer but actually ain't one.
If you believe what you're saying, then how can it be a lie?
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^ by that logic, does this mean that truth is to believe ? what if I believe that the sky is green, is that any true ?
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What do you mean by real?

I'm an atheist, so I don't believe in the physical existence of any kind of supernatural being with superhuman powers. But God as an idea is certainly real and he/she/it exists in the minds of believers in the same way that joy or envy exist in peoples' minds. And like any abstract noun, God can affect behaviour here in the physical world.
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