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A Preacher · 10-05-2008, 02:40 PM

I want to get some opinions from you gentleman about reincarnation, evolution and creation.

My though about reincarnation is that it is not possible. 20 or so years ago, there were 5 billion people on the earth and now there are 6.7 billion. If people are dying and reborn, then why the increase of 1.7 billion.

Creation vs. evolution.

Man can recieve a transfusion form other men. Animals can not receive a transfusion from man and niether can man from animals. if we evolved from animals, then why is our blood not compatible.

A house can't build itself. Niether cas=n a computer, or a watch, or a VCD player or a TV.

Everything needs a creator. So why do evolutionist believe it is different when talking about where the world nd its inhabitants come from.

I am looking foward to all fo the Teak Door comments.

Thanks so much,
A Preacher

good2bhappy · 10-05-2008, 02:42 PM

^A load of rubish
No need to thank me for my kind comment
Your not the reincarnation of Pistolpilot by any chance?

Sir Burr · 10-05-2008, 02:51 PM

Reincarnation = rubbish

Evolution. Ever heard of Natural Selection; and no, it has nothing to do with chance.

If we were created, why did he make different blood groups?

Wallalai · 10-05-2008, 02:54 PM

55555, what can we hope from a poster with such a stupid nick ? I was just waiting for such posts.

Bluecat · 10-05-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by A Preacher

My though about reincarnation is that it is not possible. 20 or so years ago, there were 5 billion people on the earth and now there are 6.7 billion. If people are dying and reborn, then why the increase of 1.7 billion.

Well if your problem is only that one It can be easily explained.

If reincarnation is possible, why only humans? And there are many species of animals disappearing yearly, maybe they reincarnate into humans...

There are billions of stars and worlds in this universe, why should you reincarnate on this one and not on another one?
And vice versa?

November Rain · 10-05-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by A Preacher

if we evolved from animals, then why is our blood not compatible.

My blood group may not be the same as another member's. Therefore our blood would not be compatible. But we're related (as in the same species), so that argument is bunkum, IMHO.

kingwilly · 10-05-2008, 03:12 PM

*yawn*

someone point him in the direction of a Kerux thread pls.

'ere it tis.

read away to yer hearts content.... http://teakdoor.com/issues/7513-evolution-vs-bible.html (Evolution vs Bible)

Sir Burr · 10-05-2008, 03:14 PM

A. Preacher and ceburat can give each other reach-arounds.

NickA · 10-05-2008, 03:15 PM

....and for anyone who doesn't believe in evolution, just go to Australia and see what reverse natural selection can do

MeMock · 10-05-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by good2bhappy

^A load of rubish
No need to thank me for my kind comment
Your not the reincarnation of Pistolpilot by any chance?

A load of rubbish you say. Still waiting for your supporting evidence.

Morden · 10-05-2008, 03:30 PM

This is a subject that seems to scare many people. I suppose that could be because it's fundamental to the reason why we are here at all and yet we have virtually no proof of anything. Reincarnation may happen and I don't think that population growth or blood transfusions either disprove or prove the possibility that it does. Our bodies are made from the same material as other animate and inanimate objects and the earth may be able to produce and support a much larger population. So, our bodies may be made up from elements that have been used in the past by other live creatures. The cells of our bodies die and are replaced frequently so there is nothing final about our bodies, even after death.

The difficult bit is the spiritual side of reincarnation. Mankind is inclined to believe in things spiritual because such beliefs add meaning to what, for many, is a hell of a life. Of course, spirituality is also used by organised religion to hold sway over races and nations but that doesn't necessarily discredit spirituality itself. The big questions, for me, revolve around the subject of the mind or spirit or soul. Is there something more than a collection of cells and electrical impulses? If so, what? Would the existence of spirit or soul necessarily mean that there is a god?

If we have what some refer to as a spiritual body, then, perhaps, on death it begins to disintegrate into elements in the same way as the physical body. If that's so, then elements of the spiritual body and the physical body may later combine with other elements to form a new being. If there is a reserve of spiritual as well as physical elements, then the population growth would not be an issue. It may mean though, that we are not recreated as later versions of whom we were in an earlier life.

I don't know, of course, and neither I suspect does anyone else. There's only one way that we find out so we'll each of us have to wait a little while longer. In the meantime, what's important is the here and now; I for one have quite enough to handle there and the next life, if there is one, I'll deal with when it comes. I don't give my freedom to anyone who promises heaven tomorrow.

NickA · 10-05-2008, 03:31 PM

I'm just wondering why i haven't got this forum blocked....

Sir Burr · 10-05-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NickA

I'm just wondering why i haven't got this forum blocked....

Because it makes a wonderful target for your barbs?

Bugs · 10-05-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by A Preacher

Everything needs a creator. So why do evolutionist believe it is different when talking about where the world nd its inhabitants come from.

If everything needs a creator - who created mans creator?

obsidian · 10-05-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Reincarnation = rubbish

Evolution. Ever heard of Natural Selection; and no, it has nothing to do with chance.

If we were created, why did he make different blood groups?

to cater to different tastes amongst the headhunters, obviously. next point.

stroller · 10-05-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Morden

The difficult bit is the spiritual side of reincarnation. Mankind is inclined to believe in things spiritual because such beliefs add meaning to what, for many, is a hell of a life. Of course, spirituality is also used by organised religion to hold sway over races and nations but that doesn't necessarily discredit spirituality itself. The big questions, for me, revolve around the subject of the mind or spirit or soul. Is there something more than a collection of cells and electrical impulses? If so, what? Would the existence of spirit or soul necessarily mean that there is a god?

Interesting thoughts.
The belief that reality consists exclusively of matter and energy which can be scientifically measured is a form of materialism, i.e. a belief in itself.

Some form of 'Reincarnation' is part of almost all religions, including the Christian one, which postulates the existence of a soul and a one and final 'reincarnation' of a person on judgment day.

There is a lot of evidence in form of people 'remembering' details from past lives, reincarnation is one possible explanation for this.

Reincarnation is one of the central beliefs of Buddhism, and there is extensive literature on this subject for anyone interested.

good2bhappy · 10-05-2008, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stroller

There is a lot of evidence in form of people 'remembering' details from past lives, reincarnation is one possible explanation for this.

Realy?
Subjective ot Objective?

Sir Burr · 10-05-2008, 08:31 PM

The brain is more than the sum of it's parts, thus consciousness.
Bit like super-organisms like bees, ants and termites.

Northern Scum · 10-05-2008, 08:49 PM

I had a 'vision' of how life on earth was created. It was just after I bought some good Morrocan shit from my mate Dave. My 'vision' told me that cosmic dust blew down from space created micro-organisms, which eventually evolved into humans. Sounds credible to me - a lot more credible than some bloke knocking up the planet in a week & all that.

Morden · 10-05-2008, 09:04 PM

It helps to remain open-minded about this subject because it's mainly a matter of individual belief or supposition. A 'past life experience' that is later shown to be something else does not discredit the entire notion of past lives and such an experience that has no mundane explanation does not prove the phenomenon of past lives.

If we live only by what is, we think, proven, then we are accepting someone else's conclusions. How many time in your lifetime has the 'proven' perfect diet been replaced by a new one? We would also miss much that the world has to offer. I've never been to Australia but I'm prepared to accept that it exists.

Some theories about reincarnation and creation are easier to understand if one forgets the notion of a 'god' or other separate being that created us. If he exists, he has much to answer for and I'd like a quiet word with him about a few things that go on in the world. If body and soul were parts of a single melting pot called life rather than individuals waiting for the next time around, I could grasp that better.

None of that explains creation and I don't have a clue about that. Perhaps, trapped in our little existences where everything seems to depend on linear time, we just can't work it out. If there were no time then there would be no creation. I just can't get my head around this but isn't it something that Einstein took a look at?

Evolution is a theory yet to be proven, isn't it? I can accept that species develop in order to survive in changing circumstances but that doesn't mean that my ancestors were fish or creepy crawlies.

The only certainty for me is that beliefs are best left to the individual who, in turn, must respect the beliefs of others.

10-05-2008, 02:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
A Preacher Pattaya Beach Last Online: 22-08-2008 02:33 PM Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 7	Reincarnation, Creation And Evolution I want to get some opinions from you gentleman about reincarnation, evolution and creation. My though about reincarnation is that it is not possible. 20 or so years ago, there were 5 billion people on the earth and now there are 6.7 billion. If people are dying and reborn, then why the increase of 1.7 billion. Creation vs. evolution. Man can recieve a transfusion form other men. Animals can not receive a transfusion from man and niether can man from animals. if we evolved from animals, then why is our blood not compatible. A house can't build itself. Niether cas=n a computer, or a watch, or a VCD player or a TV. Everything needs a creator. So why do evolutionist believe it is different when talking about where the world nd its inhabitants come from. I am looking foward to all fo the Teak Door comments. Thanks so much, A Preacher

10-05-2008, 02:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
good2bhappy Senior Member Last Online: Today 12:29 PM Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Klong Samwa Posts: 5,336	^A load of rubish No need to thank me for my kind comment Your not the reincarnation of Pistolpilot by any chance?

10-05-2008, 02:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
Sir Burr Rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb Last Online: Today 08:11 AM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Phuket. Posts: 4,997	Reincarnation = rubbish Evolution. Ever heard of Natural Selection; and no, it has nothing to do with chance. If we were created, why did he make different blood groups?

10-05-2008, 02:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
Wallalai Bionic Helvete Last Online: Today 11:57 AM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Here & there Posts: 1,753	55555, what can we hope from a poster with such a stupid nick ? I was just waiting for such posts.

10-05-2008, 03:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
kingwilly Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 23,671	yawn someone point him in the direction of a Kerux thread pls. 'ere it tis. read away to yer hearts content.... http://teakdoor.com/issues/7513-evolution-vs-bible.html (Evolution vs Bible)

10-05-2008, 03:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
Sir Burr Rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb Last Online: Today 08:11 AM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Phuket. Posts: 4,997	A. Preacher and ceburat can give each other reach-arounds.

10-05-2008, 03:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
NickA This is not my avatar Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,918	....and for anyone who doesn't believe in evolution, just go to Australia and see what reverse natural selection can do

10-05-2008, 03:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
Morden Nakhon Ratchasima Last Online: 23-09-2008 05:57 PM Join Date: May 2008 Location: Korat Posts: 249	This is a subject that seems to scare many people. I suppose that could be because it's fundamental to the reason why we are here at all and yet we have virtually no proof of anything. Reincarnation may happen and I don't think that population growth or blood transfusions either disprove or prove the possibility that it does. Our bodies are made from the same material as other animate and inanimate objects and the earth may be able to produce and support a much larger population. So, our bodies may be made up from elements that have been used in the past by other live creatures. The cells of our bodies die and are replaced frequently so there is nothing final about our bodies, even after death. The difficult bit is the spiritual side of reincarnation. Mankind is inclined to believe in things spiritual because such beliefs add meaning to what, for many, is a hell of a life. Of course, spirituality is also used by organised religion to hold sway over races and nations but that doesn't necessarily discredit spirituality itself. The big questions, for me, revolve around the subject of the mind or spirit or soul. Is there something more than a collection of cells and electrical impulses? If so, what? Would the existence of spirit or soul necessarily mean that there is a god? If we have what some refer to as a spiritual body, then, perhaps, on death it begins to disintegrate into elements in the same way as the physical body. If that's so, then elements of the spiritual body and the physical body may later combine with other elements to form a new being. If there is a reserve of spiritual as well as physical elements, then the population growth would not be an issue. It may mean though, that we are not recreated as later versions of whom we were in an earlier life. I don't know, of course, and neither I suspect does anyone else. There's only one way that we find out so we'll each of us have to wait a little while longer. In the meantime, what's important is the here and now; I for one have quite enough to handle there and the next life, if there is one, I'll deal with when it comes. I don't give my freedom to anyone who promises heaven tomorrow.

10-05-2008, 03:31 PM	#12 (permalink)
NickA This is not my avatar Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,918	I'm just wondering why i haven't got this forum blocked....

10-05-2008, 08:31 PM	#18 (permalink)
Sir Burr Rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb Last Online: Today 08:11 AM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Phuket. Posts: 4,997	The brain is more than the sum of it's parts, thus consciousness. Bit like super-organisms like bees, ants and termites.

10-05-2008, 08:49 PM	#19 (permalink)
Northern Scum Lampang Last Online: 25-05-2008 02:36 PM Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 559	I had a 'vision' of how life on earth was created. It was just after I bought some good Morrocan shit from my mate Dave. My 'vision' told me that cosmic dust blew down from space created micro-organisms, which eventually evolved into humans. Sounds credible to me - a lot more credible than some bloke knocking up the planet in a week & all that.

10-05-2008, 09:04 PM	#20 (permalink)
Morden Nakhon Ratchasima Last Online: 23-09-2008 05:57 PM Join Date: May 2008 Location: Korat Posts: 249	It helps to remain open-minded about this subject because it's mainly a matter of individual belief or supposition. A 'past life experience' that is later shown to be something else does not discredit the entire notion of past lives and such an experience that has no mundane explanation does not prove the phenomenon of past lives. If we live only by what is, we think, proven, then we are accepting someone else's conclusions. How many time in your lifetime has the 'proven' perfect diet been replaced by a new one? We would also miss much that the world has to offer. I've never been to Australia but I'm prepared to accept that it exists. Some theories about reincarnation and creation are easier to understand if one forgets the notion of a 'god' or other separate being that created us. If he exists, he has much to answer for and I'd like a quiet word with him about a few things that go on in the world. If body and soul were parts of a single melting pot called life rather than individuals waiting for the next time around, I could grasp that better. None of that explains creation and I don't have a clue about that. Perhaps, trapped in our little existences where everything seems to depend on linear time, we just can't work it out. If there were no time then there would be no creation. I just can't get my head around this but isn't it something that Einstein took a look at? Evolution is a theory yet to be proven, isn't it? I can accept that species develop in order to survive in changing circumstances but that doesn't mean that my ancestors were fish or creepy crawlies. The only certainty for me is that beliefs are best left to the individual who, in turn, must respect the beliefs of others.