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Mr Pot

Creationist theory - the world is 6000 years old and human kind co-existed with dinosaurs, mmmmhh?

Christianity - The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...really, makes perfect sense



Thats my argument.

stroller

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That's just gibberish, not an argument.
Try "Moronic Kiddies Posts", your contribution will be appreciated there.

Sir Burr

The difference is, is that if new evidence comes to light contradicting evolution, which is the best explanation so far), then athiests and scientists will change their belief.

Why is everything BUT religion questioned?

Why does everything BUT religion require proof and evidence?

What is so unbelievable about there being no God and no after-life?

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Thormaturge

Why?

Surely the logical flaw in this argument is that every creator needs a creator which brings us to the most logical conclusion.

The universe has no boundaries. It simply is everything. It never began and will never end, it has always existed. It simply IS.

Mr Pot

As Evolution occurred, and the human race started advancing and society stabilizing; man kept having many questions such as where are we from? What are we here for? How were we created? All common questions a man seeks answers to.

There are two type of people in this world, leaders and followers. Some people strive for power while others rather be the "employee".
It could be quit natural for the men I refer to as the leaders to come up with a way to enslave people's minds (I am referring to before the advance of science).

When a person has a question, he wants an answer; so the whole "religion" regime came about. When man is too free it can become dangerous, without restrictions or limitations it may bring about harm to self and society, religion helps keep the barrier.

As a result seperation, segregation for all those concerned that don't share common beliefs. Was that the reason religion was created or was it for something else? We are told that a higher being referred to as "god" created us.
I think men created god.

When a man is down, instead of embracing the problem he looks for guidance, it's like a person going to a psychologist for help. Not in this scenario, here religion enslaves the free mind. and promotes "peace" between its followers, and war between the "opposers" which are all in all just people that want to live life freely and happily, with no higher up inexistent force enslaving us.

My other theory is that drugs created God, the average egyptian could smoke ten time as much opium as a normal being today; think about how many gods and beliefs they had.

Sir Burr

Agree on the first point, disagree on the second.

We know that the universe is approximately 13 billion years old and it started from a singularity. Before that is unknown.

Jet Gorgon

^ Maybe another universe before ours.

Marmite the Dog

There is no 'god'.

The End

Jet Gorgon

^ Oh. Um, did Dirty Dog die then?

Sir Burr

Very possibly, though, we will never know, as time and space are joined.

Before anyone asks "How do we know how old the universe is" and " how do we know it started at a single point", it can be shown with very simple physics.

It doesn't matter at which star we look at in the sky, they all show a 'red shift', the Doppler effect. In other words, each star is moving away from us. In fact, each star is moving away from every other star. That is how we know that the universe is an expanding one. We also know, that for this to happen, all matter must have started in the same place.

If what was observed was no Doppler shift, a static universe, then, yes, the universe could have been around forever.

That's the wonderful thing about science. There is evidence and evidence can be demonstrated. If another theory explains a phenomenon better, the old theories are abandoned.

Religion can't exist without Faith, and Faith is just another way for saying "believe without evidence and don't question".

Butterfly

Science is as unreliable as religion actually, and Science is a new religion in itself, can see examples in this thread by the quick unsubstantiated attacks in the name of science,

it's all about beliefs at the end, and our empirical experience with the world, some see it as a sign of god, some try to explain it through science with or without success.

Science is definitely not the answer to everything, as we are more than cells or flesh, we can actually project ourselves beyond those limits through our intelligence, creating "innovations", and "ideas" and all kind of "unnatural" things or "unanimal" things. We are as much a religious animal as we are a science animal. You can't ignore both.

We are creators ourselves, and above us they are also other creators, who are they ? no ideas, but they are beyond our comprehensions as much as a science theory could understand where it's coming from. You can only create what you are not.

benbaaa

Heh heh, I just watched A Preacher's one little green blob turn red.

The OP is just another dumb troll - but TD's quota is already filled.

Sir Burr

Utter bollox. Just arty-farty hot-air. Where's your proof?

Mr Pot

That's impressive after two posts

stroller

Research into the phenomenon of Black Holes indicates that this might well be so.

But some things are just beyond our understanding as the concepts of time and space as we know it don't apply any more.
Religions provide a description of the beginning of the universe, often in form of allegories and imagery, some of it surprisingly fitting with present scientific understanding - like some Hindu and Buddhist texts.

good2bhappy

Pistonpilot has been reborn?
Does this prove the reincarnation theory?

Butterfly

where is your proof that it's "arty-farty hot-air" ?

Michael

Creationists are people either too lazy or inable to learn the truth. NEVER get into an argument with a creationist. You will end up wanting to thump them, then they will say they won the argument. Infuriating stupidity!!!!!!!

It's easy to see how humans evolved from bony fish and ultimately bacteria from their DNA.

Don't people read the news? Did the mapping of the Human Genome go unnoticed despite being the greatest achievement in Biological Science?

Was Einstein wasting his breath spouting hot air? He in fact was highly religious, and believed the Universe was highly ordered and designed very simply by God so that we would be able to figure it out. When he came up with E=MC squared he thought he was on the right track.

He refused to believe that the Universe was instead chaotic as proved by Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle and the development of Quantum Physics.

It was Quantum Physics that led to the devopment of Computers.

Science doesn't have the answer for everything....yet. But is is also sad that science has effectively killed God and removed any hope anyone had of some kind of salvation from the suffering of the human race.

stroller

Science and religion are not mutually exclusive, both have their limitations.

They are different approaches to making sense of nature and beyond.

chinthee