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chitown · 03-02-2008, 05:06 PM

There was no forced Christianity in the United States..........

stroller · 03-02-2008, 05:11 PM

But the Christian heritage and resulting legal system is 'forced' on everybody there, no?

chinthee · 03-02-2008, 07:42 PM

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But the Christian heritage and resulting legal system is 'forced' on everybody there, no?

Yes, there certainly is a "Christian heritage" that most subscribe to, but the legal system is far from Christian based. In fact, it is based in English Common law, and has evolved as the most complex common law nation on earth. The few times Christianity may come into play is in decisions like the right to abortions, which may likely be influenced by a Supreme Justice's religious background. However, they cannot use that as a basis for the decision, they would have to find other legal grounds. Anyway, we still have Roe v. Wade today.

Driventowin · 03-02-2008, 10:11 PM

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Precisely, and not only are you distorting the argument in order to adopt ridicule as your preferred defence, but in doing so you also abandon fairness and common sense, considering the broad scope of this thread and that you were the OP.
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What are you on about dude?
Slowly, in English, please.

Why slow? Read at your own pace, my post is not going anywhere.

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Correct me if wrong but while AQ does have a bearing on the subject, it is just one small part of a radical Islam that existed long before the conception of ObL, AQ and the Taliban. It is not AQ that the would-be Islamic 'reformers' need to fear or dare one suggest debate with, with a view to persuading them of the need for reform, but the very fabric of Islam that has been hijacked by its powerful and unforgiving institutions, which I'm sure I do not need to mention but will, survive and grow ever more powerful in line with increasingly radical rhetoric and actions.

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I do not share your pessimistic views, concerning the last bit.

Very well then, we can agree to disagree, so how about we delete that last bit - but in that case you still have the rest of the points in my post to respond to...much easier to ignore them, and try to turn it around by scoffing, right?

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Can you accept the concept that there are pros and cons for any idea? Got naught to do with "snuggle up" ()...

Sure there are two or more sides to each argument, but I challenged you for being at fault not because of our differing opinions, which I'm well used to by now, but because you abandoned common sense and all pretense at fairness by resorting to intellectual fraud in attempting to devalue and divert attention away from valid points made during the earlier part of this thread. Why? - I repeat, because they did not snuggle up to your preferred reasoning. If that is wrong, how about you clarify why you arrogantly brushed aside remarks that are not just relevant but at the very heart of the thread that you started.

I comprehend your English perfectly. Very succinct and to the point..I don't have to slow down at all when I read it either, it flows very smoothly from one salient point to the next.. Not really any intelligent or note worthy responses from the OP though that I've taken note of yet....

Just to let you know in advance I'll probably acquire another red for this post

so any compensating greens would be greatly appreciated..

stroller · 03-02-2008, 10:55 PM

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Just to let you know in advance I'll probably acquire another red for this post so any compensating greens would be greatly appreciated..

sucker...

Driventowin · 03-02-2008, 11:24 PM

Yeah.... I have been known to be a sucker.. My weakness (if you can call it that) is compassion and respect for other people whenever possible.. Though I have some negative rep to send you Stroller,, I have more class than you do so I'll keep it to myself. You have a far greater need to be vindictive and get far more enjoyment out of stalking and berating people than I do..

Since it's obvious that you can't live without the negativity, like a vampire, just go ahead and feed away..

I'd much rather give out positive karma and get the same back...

stroller · 03-02-2008, 11:42 PM

Anything to comment on topic?

Driventowin · 03-02-2008, 11:43 PM

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Just to let you know in advance I'll probably acquire another red for this post so any compensating greens would be greatly appreciated..

sucker...

You were saying???? I did post on topic but it wasn't to your liking so now I'm just enjoying being a cheerleader rooting on the other smart ones tear you a new one.. Or is that not allowed either?? Have another complaint??

stroller · 03-02-2008, 11:52 PM

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Anything to comment on topic?

Apparently not.

stroller · 25-02-2008, 03:06 PM

Related material:
Imam Yahya Hendi on terrorism and fatwas:

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Islamic Law has consistently condemned terrorism.

In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful

Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA) July 25, 2005

The Fiqh, Jurisprudence, Council of North America (FCNA) wishes to address the issue of terrorism and how it is viewed in the Islamic legal and ethical system:
Islamic law has consistently condemned terrorism and extremism in all forms and under all circumstances, and we reiterate this unequivocal position. Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives.

There is no justification in Islamic Law and ethics for extremism or terrorism. Targeting civilians’ lives and property through suicide bombings or any other method of attack is haram - prohibited in Islam - and those who commit these acts are violators of the teachings of Islam and Shari’ah law, and therefore, are not seen as “martyrs”.
The Qur’an, Islam’s Holy Scripture, states: "Whoever kills a person unjustly, it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind." (Qur’an, 5:32) Recent killings are not justified and not condoned either by FCNA or Islam. Attacks on civilians are not condoned by Islamic law and are seen as Haram.
Prophet Muhammad said there is no excuse for committing unjust acts: "Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to doing good when people do good and neither to wrong others nor to do wrong to those who do you evil." (Hadith Al-Tirmidhi).
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Ýmam Yahya Hendi

Driventowin · 25-02-2008, 04:36 PM

Hopeful news to see them taking a definitive public stance. Though it has been that way for some time it will be interesting to see if it makes any real difference in other more radical Muslims perceptions and changes some minds..

Milkman · 25-02-2008, 08:32 PM

I'm not sure where to put this article, so I'll put it here.

I've read and heard that Muslims don't like dogs (among other animals), but I think this story below is just another reason why this cult is disturbing.

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Iranian Man Sentenced to 4 Months in Jail, 30 Lashes for Walking Dog

A 70-year-old Iranian man was arrested and sentenced to four months in jail and 30 lashes for walking his dog, Adnkronos.com reported Tuesday. Police caught the man on the street with his dog in Shahr Rey, a suburb of Tehran.

Owners of domestic animals are forbidden from taking them on the streets of the city because Islam considers dogs to be impure. An Islamic judge later charged the man for "disturbing the public order,” Adnkronos.com reported.

Link: FOXNews.com - Iranian Man Sentenced to 4 Months in Jail, 30 Lashes for Walking Dog - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

Driventowin · 25-02-2008, 08:34 PM

It never ceases to amaze??

You know it occurs to me that every where else in the world dogs are considered everyone Else's best friend... But what is it that dogs are supposedly to be the exposure and the enemy of in biblical references?? Anyone know the answer? Maybe that's why they are so disliked by Muslims? It certainly gives one pause..

stroller · 25-02-2008, 10:39 PM

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I'm not sure where to put this article, so I'll put it here.

Why?
Does it have any relation to the topic at all?

dobella · 26-02-2008, 02:01 AM

^ ^ ^
stroller it does, because the anti - dog thing is a big thing in sharia law.
i know because i live in britanistan.

stroller · 26-02-2008, 03:03 AM

Please provide the relevant references in Sharia law.

KID · 26-02-2008, 06:02 AM

^ the knob will defend anything ISLAM--fukin muzzie can't even walk his dog.

guess there good enough to eat, but not good enouh to keep as a pet????

Driventowin · 26-02-2008, 01:42 PM

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Please provide the relevant references in Sharia law.

So...Are you just being semantic or are you disputing the idea that it is against Sharia law?? And..If so then you are disputing the reasoning behind the Iranian conviction? I'm curious then, what would your reasoning be for the arrest and conviction of this elderly man walking his dog in a Muslim country??

It is on topic but addtionally the thread was going no where until it was bumped so it wouldn't be a major crime if it were to take a new direction would it?

machangezi · 26-02-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Milkman

I'm not sure where to put this article, so I'll put it here.

I've read and heard that Muslims don't like dogs (among other animals), but I think this story below is just another reason why this cult is disturbing.

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Originally Posted by Driventowin

It never ceases to amaze??

You know it occurs to me that every where else in the world dogs are considered everyone Else's best friend... But what is it that dogs are supposedly to be the exposure and the enemy of in biblical references?? Anyone know the answer? Maybe that's why they are so disliked by Muslims? It certainly gives one pause..

It isn't like what you guys think! Muslims do/can have dogs (come n see it in Pakland). There's just one restriction! Dogs can't get in to the prayer room. I have dogs at home, well three of them, who I love like my kids. The only problem with dogs is that they walk over their pee thus are not allowed to get inside the prayer room.

Here are my kids!

You see how much I love them, I spend hours to enhance their photos.

Yes I am a Muslim.

25-02-2008, 08:34 PM	#73 (permalink)
Driventowin Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: 3rd rock from the sun Posts: 1,663	It never ceases to amaze?? You know it occurs to me that every where else in the world dogs are considered everyone Else's best friend... But what is it that dogs are supposedly to be the exposure and the enemy of in biblical references?? Anyone know the answer? Maybe that's why they are so disliked by Muslims? It certainly gives one pause.. Last edited by Driventowin : 26-02-2008 at 12:28 AM.

03-02-2008, 05:06 PM	#61 (permalink)
chitown "The Big Onion" Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangkok Posts: 4,714	There was no forced Christianity in the United States..........

03-02-2008, 05:11 PM	#62 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 11:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	But the Christian heritage and resulting legal system is 'forced' on everybody there, no?

03-02-2008, 11:24 PM	#66 (permalink)
Driventowin Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: 3rd rock from the sun Posts: 1,663	Yeah.... I have been known to be a sucker.. My weakness (if you can call it that) is compassion and respect for other people whenever possible.. Though I have some negative rep to send you Stroller,, I have more class than you do so I'll keep it to myself. You have a far greater need to be vindictive and get far more enjoyment out of stalking and berating people than I do.. Since it's obvious that you can't live without the negativity, like a vampire, just go ahead and feed away.. I'd much rather give out positive karma and get the same back...

03-02-2008, 11:42 PM	#67 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 11:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	Anything to comment on topic?

25-02-2008, 04:36 PM	#71 (permalink)
Driventowin Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: 3rd rock from the sun Posts: 1,663	Hopeful news to see them taking a definitive public stance. Though it has been that way for some time it will be interesting to see if it makes any real difference in other more radical Muslims perceptions and changes some minds..

26-02-2008, 02:01 AM	#75 (permalink)
dobella Sa Kaeo Last Online: 08-08-2008 12:39 AM Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 251	^ ^ ^ stroller it does, because the anti - dog thing is a big thing in sharia law. i know because i live in britanistan.

26-02-2008, 03:03 AM	#76 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 11:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	Please provide the relevant references in Sharia law.

26-02-2008, 06:02 AM	#77 (permalink)
KID Wat Sra Si Last Online: 01-12-2008 08:21 AM Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 917	^ the knob will defend anything ISLAM--fukin muzzie can't even walk his dog. guess there good enough to eat, but not good enouh to keep as a pet????