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Old 24-12-2007, 03:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have some questions to ask and would appreciate all the members to keep this thread amicable and informative. I will not answer to anyone, whoever it might be, posting gibberish and request the mods to try to keep this one on track.

Let's start with a simple question:

Let's consider you are presented with a unique equipment/machine (which can perform anything you wish) which nobody has ever seen. You are the first person to see it right in front of you.

Let's say the person showing you the machine poses a question to you "who will be the first person to tell you about the mechanism of this machine?"

What would be your answer to such question?

My second question will follow once we get this one sorted.

P.S: Once again I request to all parties to have a civil and informative discussion.
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Old 24-12-2007, 04:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Let's say the person showing you the machine poses a question to you "who will be the first person to tell you about the mechanism of this machine?"
It would be the guy who shows me the machine and asks the question, or maybe they'll present someone who knows how to use it.

Not sure what this is getting at?
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Old 24-12-2007, 04:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Let's say the person showing you the machine poses a question to you "who will be the first person to tell you about the mechanism of this machine?"
It would be the guy who shows me the machine and asks the question, or maybe they'll present someone who knows how to use it.

Not sure what this is getting at?
The guy who shows me the machine is the inventor. I assume you mean that the inventor would be able to tell me about the mechanism of this machine. Right?
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Old 24-12-2007, 04:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The guy who shows me the machine is the inventor.
But you said that you were the first person to see it.
How did the inventor manage to build it without seeing it ?
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Old 24-12-2007, 04:39 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The guy who shows me the machine is the inventor.
But you said that you were the first person to see it.
How did the inventor manage to build it without seeing it ?
I mean apart from the inventor.
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Old 24-12-2007, 05:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I assume you mean that the inventor would be able to tell me about the mechanism of this machine. Right?
Yes, of course.
Once the machine is out for inspection, others will find out what it does and how, as well, maybe even find uses the inventor hasn't thought of.
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Old 24-12-2007, 06:00 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I assume you mean that the inventor would be able to tell me about the mechanism of this machine. Right?
Yes, of course.
Once the machine is out for inspection, others will find out what it does and how, as well, maybe even find uses the inventor hasn't thought of.
Thanks Stroll, you're making it easy for me.

Now here's another question ....

How was the universe created?
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Old 24-12-2007, 06:03 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Big bang?
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Old 24-12-2007, 06:08 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Big bang?
Is that an answer?
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Old 24-12-2007, 06:52 PM   #10 (permalink)
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It was a question.

I believe in the Big Bang theory, because it can be proved, but what came before that I haven't got a clue.
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I believe in the Big Bang theory, because it can be proved
I'd like to, but i can't believe in something that i don't understand.

i will continue not believing in God anyway.
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You can observe the planets all moving away from each-other in a manner consistent with them all starting in the same place.
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Old 24-12-2007, 07:05 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I believe in the Big Bang theory
Fair enough..... Now my question is: what was the year when this theory was put forward??
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You can observe the planets all moving away from each-other in a manner consistent with them all starting in the same place.
maybe they have been bouncing off each other since time immemorial.
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I think the same as CMN.

As for when the theory was put forward, I can only Google that.



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In 1927, the Belgian priest Georges Lemaître was the first to propose that the universe began with the explosion of a primeval atom. His proposal came after observing the red shift in distant nebulas by astronomers to a model of the universe based on relativity. Years later, Edwin Hubble found experimental evidence to help justify Lemaître's theory. He found that distant galaxies in every direction are going away from us with speeds proportional to their distance.
The big bang was initially suggested because it explains why distant galaxies are traveling away from us at great speeds. The theory also predicts the existence of cosmic background radiation (the glow left over from the explosion itself). The Big Bang Theory received its strongest confirmation when this radiation was discovered in 1964 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, who later won the Nobel Prize for this discovery. Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions
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In 1927, the Belgian priest Georges Lemaître was the first to propose that the universe began with the explosion of a primeval atom. His proposal came after observing the red shift in distant nebulas by astronomers to a model of the universe based on relativity. Years later, Edwin Hubble found experimental evidence to help justify Lemaître's theory. He found that distant galaxies in every direction are going away from us with speeds proportional to their distance.
The big bang was initially suggested because it explains why distant galaxies are traveling away from us at great speeds. The theory also predicts the existence of cosmic background radiation (the glow left over from the explosion itself). The Big Bang Theory received its strongest confirmation when this radiation was discovered in 1964 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, who later won the Nobel Prize for this discovery. Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions
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Quran, chapter 21, verse 30,

Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder?
Now who could have told this to Mohammed P.B.U.H ( a shepard) around 1400 years ago??
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Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder?
Now who could have told this to Mohammed P.B.U.H ( a shepard) around 1400 years ago??
This is one sentence.

It can be interpreted in many ways.

I personally, don't know how to interpret it.

I think this sentence is over-simplified.

And there also is the trans-literation issue.
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Don't take this the wrong way - isn't it possible he was mentally ill?

He could have imagined it.

Many people have 'visions' or whatever you want to call it.
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It was a question.

I believe in the Big Bang theory, because it can be proved, but what came before that I haven't got a clue.
If Big Bang is the answer then the only thing that could've been before is this universe's predecessor that had collapsed into itself to cause that BB, just as this one will start to do once it's expansion grinds to a halt.
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