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    Quote Originally Posted by callippo View Post
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    Been driving a scooter in Thailand for 16 years, wouldn't dream of doing so in the Phils.
    The no.s are somewhat perplexing, for instance Thailand ranks #2 on Livescience.com's 25 most dangerous countries to drive in, whereas PI doesn't feature AT ALL, in either best or worst 25 countries...

    The WHO's figures put Thailand with 44 road deaths per 100,000 persons/year and PI's as 1.8. Is it possible that PI's record keeping is so shitty that records aren't kept?

    I know this is way off topic but nobody reads my threads anyway...

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    Who said that?

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    [quote=Paddy Whackery;3094954]
    Quote Originally Posted by callippo View Post
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    Been driving a scooter in Thailand for 16 years, wouldn't dream of doing so in the Phils.
    The no.s are somewhat perplexing, for instance Thailand ranks #2 on Livescience.com's 25 most dangerous countries to drive in, whereas PI doesn't feature AT ALL, in either best or worst 25 countries...

    The WHO's figures put Thailand with 44 road deaths per 100,000 persons/year and PI's as 1.8. Is it possible that PI's record keeping is so shitty that records aren't kept?

    I know this is way off topic but nobody reads my threads anyway...[/quote


    there is a myriuad of sources but I have usually used the WHO list here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

    I think the Thailand's death rate per 100,000 inhabitants is 38, whereas the Philippines is only 9, however this should be set against the rate of car ownership, with cars being the deadlier vehicles especially for pedestrians. And car ownership is SIX TIMES higher in Thailand than the Philippines. I don't know what proportion of Filipinos will never go inside a private car even once, in their entire lives, but it is high. Probably not much short of 50%. Only a handful of cities have taxis and even then the fares are too high for nearly all Filipinos to use them regularly.

    on a motorbike, and I've driven a lot in both countries, they are in the same ballpark but the Philippines is definitely a touch more hazardous than Thailand. In the Philippines there's more people, more children, more bad roads, more animals, worse weather, and less traffic regulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    Compare Manila with Bangkok.

    How many fellow bikers do you see driving in Manila?

    not many, but then I never saw all that many if any farang motorbikers in Bangkok either. I have never driven in Manila however I have driven in a lot of other crowded cities in the Philippines like Cebu, CDO, Iliolo, Bacolod, Tacloban.

    I wouldn't mind driving a motorbike in Manila actually, although I am yet to do it, the last few times I've been there I was sizing it up. Conditions for motorbike driving in Manila are not so bad as say Cebu. The streets are far, far wider and there is much more room. It would be a nightmare in a car but not so bad on a motor.

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    I almost got arrested in Manila.

    And by arrested I mean shook-down by the po-po.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    I almost got arrested in Manila.

    And by arrested I mean shook-down by the po-po.
    Is it becos you is ginga? That can be quite disconcerting for those who are not familiar with it.

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    Haha, no and fock you gingaist!

    It may have involved drunkeness and peeing in public though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    It may have involved drunkeness and peeing in public though.
    And here is me having framed you as a shining beacon of abstinence and righteous virtue.

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    I am now. Back then I was on rugby tours and getting asked to pay on the spot fines or spend the night in jail

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    Cost of living in Manila

    HI Tiz Are you saying it costs you only $2,500 USD a month to live comfortably in Manila. I would have thought you'd need much more than to live comfortably in the Philippine capital !

    QUOTE=TizMe;3083334]Driving standards of the locals is far higher in Philippines than in Thailand.

    I live in Makati and my girlfriend stays with me also, so my expenses are quite a bit higher than if I lived out in one of the provinces (or even somewhere further out, but still in Metro Manila.

    My rent is 25,000 pesos per month. My last water bill was 132 pesos and last electricity bill was 1,077 pesos.

    I don't run the air cond 24x7, but usually just turn it on when I come home for an hour or two.

    I pay a lady to come in each week to clean and do laundry etc. I pay her 1,000 peso per visit.

    I don't own a car here as my office is directly across the road from my condo. Just catch taxis when needed for short trips, and hire a car and driver for longer trips.

    My total expenditure is about 100,000 pesos per month, but that includes a weekend away with my GF each month as well.[/QUOTE]

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    "Minimalist existence" is a very bad idea...
    It's gets very old in a hurry.
    I live in Thailand on 2400 US dollars a month. That isn't much in the USA but it
    really is quite a bit here in the Kingdom. I certainly wouldn't advise trying to live
    on less than 1500 dollars US in the Phil.
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    Count roughly 3000 monthly for immigration in your budget, just renewed 2 month for 4150 php but soon renewal of ICR card that a 5 k or so... 3k average month if you stay as tourist, over 50 you might apply for permanent resident, no idea so far what that would cost, google shall know.
    Monday,Tuesday, then it goes WTF !

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    Quote Originally Posted by james777 View Post
    HI Tiz Are you saying it costs you only $2,500 USD a month to live comfortably in Manila. I would have thought you'd need much more than to live comfortably in the Philippine capital !
    Yeah, USD 2,500 sounds about right.

    Bear in mind that I'm working here as well, so for my days in the office expenses are less than if I wasn't working.

    Also all my immigration costs mentioned in the post above are paid by my company.

    I moved here from Singapore. In Singapore I was spending about SGD 8,000 per month.

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    2.5k - yeah, in Makati...

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    2.5k - yeah, in Makati...
    I agree but then I would not want to live in Manila unless for an expat job where I make more than 2.5k. For retirement I would live somewhere else for sure and won't need 2.5k.

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    I don't think he was talking about what he is earning, rather what he is spending.

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    I don't think I ever spent 2.5k/month anywhere, though I made a lot more than that when I lived in Manila (not Makati). It really isn't necessary, considering the standard income bracket for most Flippos, it's a fortune.

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    if you have the internet get a program hide my IP set it to the UK and you can have BBC iplayer and all that in delivers, I would recommend hotspot shield works perfectly well for radio and TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    I don't think he was talking about what he is earning, rather what he is spending.
    Yes, that's what I spend, not what I earn.

    Also, my girlfriend isn't a drain on finances at all. She contributes, but I have no idea what she is spending. So the 100K that I spend is only what I spend.

    I pay for most expenses, but she isn't the long pockets with short arms type like some previous Thai &'Singaporean girls were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TizMe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    I don't think he was talking about what he is earning, rather what he is spending.
    Yes, that's what I spend, not what I earn.

    I did not want to imply it's your earnings.

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    I think when considering expenses in Philippines, it's worth considering that it is an island country which adds to the cost of any imports. Also travel expenses if visa runs are necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaiMassage View Post
    I think when considering expenses in Philippines, it's worth considering that it is an island country which adds to the cost of any imports. Also travel expenses if visa runs are necessary.
    Shipping is the cheapest mode of transport. Being an island country will hardly add to import cost.

    BTW responding to long dormant threads is usually regarded as necrophilia.

    A frequent mistake by forum newbies who respond to threads after forum search.

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    100000 peso a month.... I lived there for six months 2008-2009 on a 10000 peso a month budget.
    Last holiday (4 weeks) I spent 160000 for two ppl including the tickets to the Philippines. That also included lots of pasalubong and a despedida with around 40 ppl. You guys must be high maintenance..

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