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    The demographic of the average Thai prostitute

    The Facts

    Let’s look at the demographic of the average Thai prostitute. A substandard school education, if she finished at all, married young in a rural village (usually in the North or North East somewhere), partnered by her family with an ill-suited young man who quickly becomes restless and ends up boozing and womanising like his father did and his father before that. Boy leaves girl with one or two kids, girl has no social security money or child maintenance from the poor father of her children. So pressure falls on the girl to find work to support the children and her aging parents, who, by the way, she has already disappointed by having a failed marriage, and further upset by now being a single mother and scarring the face of family pride.

    Girl then becomes determined to give a better life to her children, and to elevate the face of her family in the village, and in society as a whole. Girl hears from another girl that working in a bar in the city, or on one of the popular tourist islands, is the best way to make fast money and meet a rich foreign boyfriend who will be prepared to take on her kids and support her parents (or a story very similar to that). Girl then weighs up the other options as a cleaner, rice farmer or factory worker, facing ridiculous hours that will never provide enough money to make her children’s/parent’s lives any better than the current situation. So girl migrates to the city or island to start her covert initiation into the world of prostitution; most likely with no idea what it entails and what she’s letting herself in for.

    *At this point it should be noted that many girls arrive at bars in debt to middlemen who arrange travel and accommodation. So even if the girl wants to leave once she arrives she will have to work off that debt first. This is a devious way to keep the recruitment numbers high and the deserters low. I mean once you’ve sold your soul a few times the deed is done; pointless returning only to disappoint your parents with the news that you didn’t make it in the big city after all once you’ve crossed the line, as it were.

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    so far as I can tell they are hi-so with a uni degree and an uncle who is a high ranking police man

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    this thread might be better entitled " the demographic of the average mug punter"

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    Having travelled to the North and North East and seen the grass roots progression of these girls and the pressures of money (debt), keeping face and achieving success that lay on their shoulders – particularly the youngest in the family – when I see a bar girl, no matter how sexy she is trying to be, I find it impossible to see her as anything other than a victim of a system that socially engineers and openly encourages the sex trade.

    What I see in the bar is not a piece of meat to be exploited, but a girl that grew up believing that one day, when she finished school (if possible) she would have a good job and be able to make her parents proud. I don’t see a girl that grew up aspiring to be a dirty old man’s fantasy, nor aspired to have nightly sex with sociopathic western men. I see a girl who naively bought into the idea that her teenage husband would stay faithful and do his best to always support her and her kids, and into the antiquated cultural requirements that a girl must marry the first seemingly decent boy she is seen flirting with.

    I see a girl forced to sell her soul, going against all the beliefs and morals she was brought up with in an attempt to better the future of her family. I see a girl who has sacrificed her own happiness and potentially her mental stability for the benefit of others; no girl should ever have to do that. And then I see a plethora or foreign men coming to exploit, not help as they may proclaim, the unfortunate situation of a woman failed by a society that provides zero social welfare, and does not hold men in the slightest bit accountable for their offspring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary
    see a girl forced to sell her soul, going against all the beliefs and morals she was brought up with in an attempt to better the future of her family. I see a girl who has sacrificed her own happiness and potentially her mental stability for the benefit of others; no girl should ever have to do that.
    They don't HAVE to do that

    There are millions of other girls in the same situation , who instead of lying on their backs with their legs open work bloody hard 12 hours a day 7 days a week .

    I know several single mothers who have worked body hard all their lives and are still doing so to provide for their families .

    If I was in the market for a Thai partner I would look for one of these girls , before i ever went anywhere near any of these tramps
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    An obsession with Thai whore demography.

    Interesting [not].

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    Average Thai prostitute? What exactly is that?

    I suspect you mean the farang Bar Girl/ GoGo dancer scene- mainly servicing tourists. But they are hardly the average Thai prostitute.

    What about OK girls- there are many more of them. Usually just doing it for a few months to pay for their studies, or make some urgently needed money, or maybe meet some older dude and become his mia noi for a while.

    Then there's the Galee girls- different story again. Quite sad actually. Many of them from hilltribes or Burma. Often sold into the biz.

    Or the massage girls, loads of them around- happy endings galore, but don't compare them to a galee girl! That's an insult- you see, like the BG's, technically they have the choice to say no.

    Then there's the Had Yai scene- most of the girls there are not from the north, most of their customers Malays on a dirty weekend. I've heard, in a pure prostitution sense at least, it's bigger than Pattaya now.

    Then there's those werkin' offshore- Singapore, massage parlours in Korea, Taiwan etc etc. Many of these operate thru' middlemen.

    Anyway, as far as BG's go- no, most of them do not go thru' middlemen, many do have a baby- but most not with parental blessing or arranged marriage, they just shagged young, and in my observation it is the oldest girl that faces the main familial economic pressure- not the youngest. In fact the younger siblings tend to benefit from her earnings, and often receive the education she never did. Then again the last laugh is hers, if she marries a fat, loaded farang.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary
    I see a girl forced to sell her soul
    I don't- I see one who chooses to rent her body. Unless they fall into drugs, neither are they victims.
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    SG, you sound like one of these NGO types, saving souls.
    I don't visit Issan, but live here, in a remote poor village, your western morals do not apply here and never have.

    Few girls from my area go to Pattaya like places, but there is no shortage of bar girls locally, girls like to have fun.
    No one is sold or doing it to pay loan sharks, it's just the way things are done.

    This grinding poverty you see is not poverty to them, no one goes hungry, they work as little as possible, full rice bowl today is all that matters.

    Girls want new phones, get drunk have fun and doing a bit of short time is better then pumping gas or working in the fields.
    How many are selling a bit of pussy out my way, have no idea, but there are places everywhere, even out in the jungle.

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    I'm sure our Gary Glitter, is a very nice guy (just a wee bit deluded)...

    Come on mate, you can't be serious with that trite..

    No offense intended. I concede, that may be true for a proportion of the 'ladies', but certainly not the majority of them.

    Gary, just ask some Thai ladies that you are close to... they will tell you the truth. Greed and easy money is the over-riding factor which compels them bro..

    Go to Uthai Thani... ask around... where are all the young girls?? all you see are 35 + married ladies... where did they all go?? were they abducted by aliens??

    Nope... Bangkok? nah... I'll give ye a hint... starts with Patxxx

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    Gary you fail to mention that a lot of Thai men dump their wives due to the wife's gambling debts. Where I live they're gambling mad. And what about the daughters who are raised, from birth, in the hope and belief they'll go work in Pattaya etc.

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    I'm not surprised that many on here tell me that many bar girls do the job by choice, making that self-serving observation that “she doesn’t have to do it if she doesn’t want to”. But as I stipulated above, the unfair cultural pressures and limited choice of economic progression force the hand into the fire and, for a moment, let’s explore that ambiguous word “choice”, and the alternatives that you might have in mind.

    When you debate this issue and use the word “choice” as your key defence, do you mean the same “choices” (quote on quote) that you would accept for your kids or close friends? I very much doubt it. If the alternative career paths wouldn’t provide an acceptable level of living for our children then how dare we use the word “choice” as a justification for what these girls do

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    I see a falang agonising about what realistically is no more than mild hardship and pressure but seems to be tragic from the perspective of the average cocooned westerner.

    I see children dying because of war, starvation, disease and abuse. I see toddlers left adrift by parents dying because of war, starvation, disease and AIDS. The list is endless.

    Point is, if we are going to agonise let's not go all Progressive and lose perspective of reality, let's start where the need is greatest.

    Prostitution? Meh.

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    ^^So how closely have you 'quote on quote' [sic] 'studied' this phenomenon?

    I mean it's fair enough as a topic, but your tone suggests you are quite keen to claim the moral high ground.

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    The topic is fair enough. What prompted my post was the tone. Save The Bargirl.

    How he perceives the 'problem' is a world away from how the Thai girl, her family and her society perceives it. Culture and all that jazz.

    And reality. Which a lot of 'westerners' seem to have lost touch with.

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    I won’t lie, being a red blooded man my eyes danced when I first saw the bright lights, high heels, elegance and youthful beauty of the girls in the go-go bars and it almost didn’t compute that the hostesses in the bars were actually no different from the hookers lurking in the back streets of any western cities red light area.

    And it’s this sugar-coated version of prostitution that makes it easier to ignore the truth. However, the more I learnt about the industry, the girls, the social-economic structure of the country, the systematic oppression of the lower classes and the regional prejudice, the more I couldn’t help but see the radiating internal sadness, and the longing to be respected beyond the external smiles and gracious gestures.

    Strangely, men seem to get so caught up in the ego of “handsome man” that they neglect to notice that these bar girls are simply young Thai girls, and by preference don’t actually fancy western men. The majority of young Thai women are into young, male Korean pop stars and Channel 7/Channel 3 Thai movie stars.

    Yet being lower class, divorced/separated (more often than not with kids) prior to the bar, the only Thai men they have access to on a serious relationship level are lower class, low earning Thai men that will (generally) resemble similar characteristics to the inadequate man they were once married to. Also, once a Thai girl has been in the bar she will struggle to get a decent Thai boyfriend at all. Therefore, once in the bar, a westerner/foreigner isn’t a choice, he is the only option.

    If you know an iota about Thai culture you’ll know that a girl who has worked in a farang style beer bar will struggle to earn the respect of other Thais going forward. Thais unfortunately tend to be able to tell working girls or ex-working girls simply by mannerisms and a few strategic questions. Of course few will refer to her as a prostitute, in fact the word prostitute is frowned upon so severely that Thais seldom label a girl they know to be a prostitute as a prostitute. Two of the more preferred terms are “Poo ying gaan koon” (lady working at night) or “Poo ying haa gin” (lady looking to eat).

    A girl who has worked in the bar, regardless of whether she bags a rich farang or not, will suffer a lifetime of gossip and stares from the village folk, not to mention the society standard whispers and looks all Thai women endure when they acquire a foreign boyfriend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyFree View Post
    Point is, if we are going to agonise let's not go all Progressive and lose perspective of reality,
    Progressive??? Take off your silly goggles.

    let's start where the need is greatest.
    Ok, go on then, don't waste any more of your time on this minor issue or this ineffectual forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary View Post
    I won’t lie, being a red blooded man my eyes danced when I first saw the bright lights, high heels, elegance and youthful beauty of the girls in the go-go bars and it almost didn’t compute that the hostesses in the bars were actually no different from the hookers lurking in the back streets of any western cities red light area.

    And it’s this sugar-coated version of prostitution that makes it easier to ignore the truth. However, the more I learnt about the industry, the girls, the social-economic structure of the country, the systematic oppression of the lower classes and the regional prejudice, the more I couldn’t help but see the radiating internal sadness, and the longing to be respected beyond the external smiles and gracious gestures.

    Strangely, men seem to get so caught up in the ego of “handsome man” that they neglect to notice that these bar girls are simply young Thai girls, and by preference don’t actually fancy western men. The majority of young Thai women are into young, male Korean pop stars and Channel 7/Channel 3 Thai movie stars.

    Yet being lower class, divorced/separated (more often than not with kids) prior to the bar, the only Thai men they have access to on a serious relationship level are lower class, low earning Thai men that will (generally) resemble similar characteristics to the inadequate man they were once married to. Also, once a Thai girl has been in the bar she will struggle to get a decent Thai boyfriend at all. Therefore, once in the bar, a westerner/foreigner isn’t a choice, he is the only option.

    If you know an iota about Thai culture you’ll know that a girl who has worked in a farang style beer bar will struggle to earn the respect of other Thais going forward. Thais unfortunately tend to be able to tell working girls or ex-working girls simply by mannerisms and a few strategic questions. Of course few will refer to her as a prostitute, in fact the word prostitute is frowned upon so severely that Thais seldom label a girl they know to be a prostitute as a prostitute. Two of the more preferred terms are “Poo ying gaan koon” (lady working at night) or “Poo ying haa gin” (lady looking to eat).

    A girl who has worked in the bar, regardless of whether she bags a rich farang or not, will suffer a lifetime of gossip and stares from the village folk, not to mention the society standard whispers and looks all Thai women endure when they acquire a foreign boyfriend.
    Much of this rings true, but it's not the whole story. It's also quite fashionable and prestigious to have a farang boyfriend. Personally I have not encountered with my bird what you describe in the last paragraph, it rather appears she's moved up on the social ladder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary
    A girl who has worked in the bar, regardless of whether she bags a rich farang or not, will suffer a lifetime of gossip and stares from the village folk
    What absolute tosh. They blend back in no problem. If they return with a farang their status increases within the village and treated as though they'd won an Olympic medal.
    Do you live in rural Thailand Gary?

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    Scottish Gary copied his OP and is copying his replies from a blog!!! (thethailandlife.com)

    What's up with that, Gary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Scottish Gary copied his OP and is copying his replies from a blog!!! (thethailandlife.com)

    What's up with that, Gary?

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    ha ha.

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    I reckon there are 30 million females in Thailand and I guess there are approximately 2 million prostitutes who mainly originate from the North East.

    I am also aware there is a labour shortage in Thailand particularly in the manufacturing and building sector with jobs being filled by Loas, Cambodian and Burmese workers not Thais.

    In all my years of working here I have never heard of a Thai starving but I may be wrong.

    When you consider the above the vast majority of Thai women are hard working and would never consider working as a prostitute.

    The OP, and I greened him for starting an interesting thread, has obviously never worked with Thai women and those that have taken the factory route to support their families. Not as glamorous and finacially attractive by those that told her how great it is working on their back (which rarely happens in real bar girl life) but secure and legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy
    In all my years of working here I have never heard of a Thai starving but I may be wrong.
    And you won't. Everyone shares food. If really stuck then one can get fed for free at a temple after the monks have had first pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary
    A girl who has worked in the bar, regardless of whether she bags a rich farang or not, will suffer a lifetime of gossip and stares from the village folk
    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic
    What absolute tosh. They blend back in no problem. If they return with a farang their status increases within the village and treated as though they'd won an Olympic medal.
    Do you live in rural Thailand Gary?
    I must say Gary's comment doesn't ring remotely true to me either. 'Poo ying haa gin' - not exactly a damning indictment, is it? From what I've seen it's more a case of 'Break out the JWB and show me what that phone does' rather than 'That Lek, what a slut!'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    Scottish Gary copied his OP and is copying his replies from a blog!!! (thethailandlife.com)

    What's up with that, Gary?
    I thought it seemed relatively well written.

    That's rather embarrassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Scottish Gary copied his OP and is copying his replies from a blog!!! (thethailandlife.com)

    What's up with that, Gary?

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