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Wandee

"What sort of audience does this blowhard tosser think he is going to impress?
Fvck me ! I know Pattaya is the worlds centre of excellence for bullshit stories but even a thick head council worker tourist from Burnley isn't going to believe that one surely.", Peter Pan

forgot to mentioned: the article in REM worked - as it impressed you so much even to start a forum post

"Was reading a Pattaya real estate magazine today which featured a story about a developer / architect Mario Kleff who is importing a engine to power his super car. This engine supposedly puts out 1700 Hp , no details supplied other than a computer generated artists impression of what it looks like.", Peter Pan

yet, after seing the engine photos - show up the doctor smart...
what next when the car runs on road - and it will... something like it is fantasy or will not work last long... if this REM article and engine makes you feel so smart and emotionally, seems you got lots of problems... frags at best.

True is - I got your attention! So marketing does well - and so does the engine, car will too on both drag strip and road and more important = legally.

I spent more time on this post as planned - seems to be necessary, and after all I am a kind person.

You should have collected enough info to discuss this matter with your friends - because more people my speak about both good and bad. And that is what I like. If none talk about your doing - no fun.
Let me put it: more people speaking bad on this, equally the attention brings success - thank you.

At the end is only one thing fact: I do have the car - you not, but likes talking about and comment, and on a poor level. This proves not less your style and attitudes, am right?

For me this post is end: I explained it kindly no further, simply because I am too busy as spending time on online boards.
We all have met people in Pattaya and listen interesting stories, so what... that's entertainment called.

And you got options: if you don't like Pattaya's style - move out or produce something that brings you attention except talking about success of others to cover your ability of no success.

jizzybloke

me not know what you say!

Nawty

has it got an airbag and a parachute ?

aging one

Where do you get the fuel, and how much do you pay. Pattaya is not Talladega, whats the point of having a car like that in Thailand. Lear jet I can understand.

Muadib

1700 BHP isn't that hard to achieve on a blown hemi-style drag engine, even without adding nitromethane to the fuel... Blown alcohol funny cars & dragsters have been putting out that much HP for decades... Blown nitro fueled drag cars put out over 5500 BHP...

None of the above are practical for street applications... It's a rich-boys toy that will break on every outing...

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Gallowspole

Does it have a heated rear window?

Plan B

Cup holders?


Shirley you've thought about the essentials?

Wandee

"has it got an airbag and a parachute ?"

no airbag, but parachute (only while using it drag later Bangkok)

"Where do you get the fuel, and how much do you pay."

imported fuel [at] 8.20USD/litre (Thailand officially does not sale c16 - needs a special permit since summer 2009, as the Thai Authority controls the import of leaded fuel, Shell VPower is must)

"1700 BHP isn't that hard to achieve on a blown hemi-style drag engine
None of the above are practical for street applications"
"whats the point of having a car like that in Thailand."

a/b) you seems to have a better understanding # ... that is reason for to develop a car able running down the road and daily without complications - no highspeed on Thailands roads... just engineering a functionally street usable dragster - and to point it out: 800-1000bhp are still muscle cars no dragsters - so it have to start at another level // no dragster called car will run with 95 oct.
Dragster, because of it's acceleration not Nascar etc. racing cars over longer drag race. Speeds in range 300-400km/h [at] 7 sec. is fast but not fast for a real good dragster # however, from 0 over just 400 metres is funny and can be done almost roads in town - while use of carbon/carbon brakes only need ca. 3-4 sec to stop it.

I.e Ferrari, Maserati, Porsche or Lamborghini even Bugatti cannot do this - so the question would be on all of such car owners why having it here in Pattaya anyway? I can understand why - just cool cars

... each would take time 10-15 sec to speeds 350km/h also means not many meters per second - (and here are cars and people on road) such a dragster engine can past 10 cars in just 1-2 sec. no matter what strat speed, and can brake it down immediately - wouldn't you call that fun? Well, I do.
Rationally impratical my car(s) are not good for Pattaya?...in fact any better as one of the others mentioned when speed is goal, because I'll need only a few meters to run full speed. Other supercars have 5-6 speed transmission and go that speed at 2 km.

But we all drive only 50km/h right?

Ok - let's stop it.
Think it's explained.

Marmite the Dog

Maybe it needs bigger carbs and fuel pump?

peterpan

I was speaking on Skype to one of my old Kiwi racing mates in the US last night. He mentioned that he did a supercar comparison test for road % track which he sent me a link for.

He said one of the most impressive cars power wise was the Hennessy Venom 1000 twin turbo Viper, 8.5 Lt V10 twin turbo but still "only" 1100 Hp.



0–200 MPH Time 20.3 seconds
Distance 3488 ft
Engine Twin-turbo 8.5-liter ohv V-10, 1100 bhp
Curb Weight 3458 lb.
Pounds per Horsepower 3.1
Gearbox 6-speed manual
Tires Michelin Pilot Sport Cup, 265/30ZR-18 f; BFGoodrich G-Force T/A Drag Radial 345/30ZR-18 r

To achieve this they have a clever system that progressivly increases the turbo boost as the speeds climbs, there is no way they can use full boost off a standing start.


Quote:
"Power is clearly not the issue with the Hennessey Viper. Grip is. Steve says this makes each run a series of constant minor steering corrections to counter the loss of traction from wheelspin. To that end, Hennessey fits the Venom 1000 with a trick programmable speed-related boost controller that helps ration the power. From launch to 60, there's 8 lb. of boost, which helps the bored and stroked V-10 to produce 800 bhp at the rear wheels. From 60 to 90 mph, boost is raised to 10 lb. for 900 bhp. From 90 to 120 mph, it's 14 lb. for a nice even 1000 bhp. And at 120 plus, 16 lb. of boost endows the big pushrod aluminum powerplant with 1100 bhp,"

The venom achieved best time for 0 - 200 MPH at 23 sec, puny compared with super Marios projected ET 0 -200 of 7 secs On Sukumvit road presumably.

sabang

Well Mario, at least you're going for it. Why not keep us updated with your progress on this thread?

AntRobertson

^Yeah, ditto. Some pics would be good if you have any?

And out of interest, what was the cost of importing the engine itself (i.e. import duties and taxes etc, excluding the purchase price)?

Nawty

It would look stoooopid in you vintage merc...

AntRobertson

Yeah, but not in a Holden Brougham!

Wandee

need 5 post to link?

Wandee

Understand I don't like posting images before it it has not been launched officially. It will be up in magazine USA/Thailand anyway.

A few previews of parts I can do. It has been said before: designed from scratch, that includes almost everything - however incorporated their engineering solutions. Both car(s) has been designed 3D and CAD by me and most parts delivered or on order are custom fabricated. That includes steering and suspension etc.

## Import cost question on engine: I do have a permit to import any kind of engine and parts / you have to contact me on interest

Hope you can enjoy the pics/













Final body design will be change a bit, as I decided to build two cars and will become "small and big brother". To your information: used materials 6060 T6 Aluminum, Titanium 6AL-4V, Magnesium Alloy, Carbon fiber, 4130 Chrome Moly # one body made handcrafted Aloy Aluminum, another body handcrafted Carbon with visible Carbon Core.

DrivingForce

Good looking stuff Mario, there are tons of engines that produce that much HP and more so for me that's not in question, nor the major issue at large, mostly the problem is keeping them cool even under idling conditions though before they expire (usually only a few minutes) as they generally aren't designed to run much longer. Being hot enough here already how are you going to address this if may ask?? Has anyone done any serious testing on running such an engine in this type of heat or anywhere for that matter for any length of time? Or is it all going to be guess work trial and error?? Potentially expensive R&D

For my part I find it far more fun to make that pass going into and through a corner, I imagine this car is not going to like turning too much as surely one of it's drawbacks is going to be the rear end being locked or limited slip yes? With tires that wide to boot.. It seems that those 10 cars you just passed are going to go right back around you in the very next turn if you can make it all? There isn't a lot of straight or smooth roads here in Thailand of note so what have you done to address these issues?? Both turning and suspension? If you aren't able to slow enough prior to a turn (crawling speed relatively speaking)I think you're going to be in a world of hurt don't discount these factors, they are pretty significant hurdles..

I would also mention the fact that fuels of that spec octane are produced from very sensitive additives and have a very brief shelf life. They are usually produced and used within hours, if you don't have a way to test and or monitor the octane levels you might just end up putting what amounts to piss water into your very expensive high HP engine which is designed for something far more potent and turn it into expensive scrap metal.. Very expensive R&D indeed... The fuel will be more like warm, flat beer,

I'm not attacking mind you, just making empirical observations..
Mario, if I may ask? Where are you from? You don't present as a native English speaker..

Wandee

well true with what your saying.
Heat/cooling was a main problem - such engines without often maintenance are not yet built for road / Five cooling units for engine and transmission were built.
Engine has been stripped down twice and over a period of 1.5 years developed.

Stress calculation on rods/pistons issues as well valves and cylinder heads lickage etc. This has been engineered today.

Rear axle, suspension and traction issues - no ford 9" would be able to run like this design and hold the power - a dragster axle wouldn't do this either longer 50km etc. A new axle were built.

Tires/Crip issues etc. Hoosier provided mixture that can be used.

Transmission will be hot within 2 min. and brake in traffic jams - they developed a working one formy project.

etc. etc. the list of issues over last 1.5 year was very long - it's been fixed today. I hope so: after the car can run first street 100km/h without issues - am happy, because it will survive // engine is 100% ok today.

I do understand that "normal" people would understand what am doing and further - don't even believe it.

Explained: 10 cars, that is not what I really want to do - only pointed out what the different between supercar and dragster.

Nationality: I am living here with Thai ID - past is past. But you're right... I was no native speaker

crippen

Just the job for meeting a rented CBR head on.

DrivingForce

Understood but you mentioned "fun factor" and that is what I find more challenging and fun from a drivers standpoint which was an answer to your question...

Not a native speaker? Then that accounts for much, cheers.. Obviously those were all valid concerns in the engineering, so basically your not really concerned with parallel parking it then ? When you say "street legal" you aren't speaking in 'daily driver' practical terms then with a straight axle.....

Have you seen my post since I edited it?? I also brought up the fuel octane factor....
I'm a big Hoosier fan, nice tire, I used their tires for ten years and have quite few stats to show for it..