Good to hear that you are still in one piece, Early, that no one was seriously hurt and hope you are feeling better soon. I never really understood why you neo-concervatives wear helmets in the first place, I guess perhaps it is to protect your good looks.
Anyway, hope all works out with the police and the insurance! Bringing a lawyer or a good Thai friend sounds like a good idea - just in case.
WS
Any error in tact, fact or spelling is purely due to transmissional errors...
Better for everyone if they were history, then they're not going to kill someone because of their stupidity.Originally Posted by Mr Earl
You were pretty lucky there mate. In 110 kph there's really no telling what could be broken if you land the wrong way, or something or someone lands on you.
Get well soon!
Yep totaly full of shit problem was I beleived it for a few months.Originally Posted by peterpan
No he didnt still owes money to me and everyone else he ever met as well as ripping of a couple of guys with so called plates and books that turn out he had taken them off some honda waves and just written different bike models on the back. I should put his picture up on the net so everyone else can learn to avoid the guyOriginally Posted by Mr Earl
Macattack was his name wasn't it.Originally Posted by Rigger
Put his name and pic up. Might as well.
Ok first let me say I'm not saying walk away from your responsibilities via use of a lawyer. Facts are facts that can't be changed. The wild card is how yuo are treated within the system. How many times have you heard you can't a fair deal in the courts or from Thai Police. You want to believe this and the end result will prove you right. If you don't and you stand up for yourself, in every instance I have seen you will be treated just like a Thai.
Most don't know me well on this forum yet, but I have been here for five years and have ridden a bike just about everyday of that. I'm also a retired cop and owned a private investigation business for years before coming here. I have investigated hundreds and hundreds of traffic accidents. I can tell you this, in most cases they are not clear cut. In most incidents negligence is involved and so is contributory negligence.
I'll use my own accident first as an example, hit brought side while crossing the road. Was I negligent you bet. A business area of Udon not far from Macro for those who know Udon. Where did I become negligent I failed to recognize the road condition. I had a truck coming and had ample time to cross. What I didn't see was the pickup on the other side of the truck traveling at a rate of speed. My view was blocked by the truck ( road condtions) The prudent thing would have been to simly wait. But I didn't. I got hit. The fact that I had an accident with the other driver didn't anger me. It was an accident he had no intent to hit me. (comes under the heading of stuff happens)
What did anger me is he left us laying in the street bleeding and never took the time to find out if we were alive or dead. Wasn't his day the impact along with detroying the front end of the pickup, knocked off his license plate.
Long story short he was caught.
Why did I want a lawyer with me, the hospital staff took to the police to make a report. as I was leaving the cop who took the report said to me well now you can go drink more Whisky. Now the fact is I seldom drink I may have had two beers in the last year. But this cop had me clasified as a local drunk and I knew it.
So ya when I went into that meeting I was loaded for bear. I had done my own investigation at the accident I had measured the skid marks and taken photos myself. I knew that at the point of impact that the skids indicated a speed of 100, which means he was in excess of 100 in a busy business district. His negligence.
Again to make a long story short I had this kid nailed to the wall. However he was about 20 years old an employee for a garage and was delivering the pickup back to the owner. I know this is hard to believe but I to was 20 at one time. He was scared and he screwed up.
I could have put him in a position to spend years paying his employer back. The kid worked full time and went to University on his off time.
I was never angry about the accident, but I was concerned that he didn't stop and render aid. The settlement I asked for and got was he show up at my house once a week and washed my truck.
So in the end I believe you need to be fair, but I also believe you shouldn't be the victim if preconcieved ideas either.
In the other incident, was the bike rider going to fast I don't know. But it was not just his fault you have responsibilty to not pull into oncoming traffic to make a turn. Why did a I step in the numbers, the magic number came up immediately for the county 100K. That has nothing to do with the injuries involved or the damage to thier bike. It was the farrang number.
What was that number based on, the farrang is rich, 100K is nothing to him, he is a stupid farrang and will pay his way out of this. Sorry folk I don't believe in that junk and will fight just as far I can.
Would it have been the right thing to do to pay for some the damages suffered by the other riders yes. But that should have been based on the actual damages and reduced by the percentage of thier neglignce. The real loser in that was rigger, that wasn't a cheap bike.
In the ops situation was he wrong sounds like it, did he intend to harm someone no. It was an acccident. Was the other rider wrong sounds like it, you have to wait for oncoming traffic to clear and make a safe turn. In this case there is a priamry cause of the accident, was it speed or an unsafe turn. Can't really say there is not enough information to make that judgement.
I didn't recommend he show up with a lawyer to get him out of something, if he has an obligation then so be it. However that obligation should not be based on reconcieved notions of farrang behavior. The assumption that we are all drunk all the time is wrong. The assumption that we are all rich is also very wrong.
The assumption that most of us will pay to avoid a problem unfortunalty is true. From that comes guys walking around and bitching about how unfair Thailand is, when in fact they didn't stand up for themselves as they would have in thier own countries. Sorry folks if you do that, don't complain to me. Cause as far I am concerned you are wrong.
If the op in this case is wrong then he should step up and pay the prices. But, based on the formula I laid out not some number pulled out of the sky.
Personally I have never been treated unfairly by the cops here. I have paid in one instacne, hey I was wrong the only thing left to talk about was how much.
But in an accident situation you are not just dealing with the cops, the other side can say no as well. The end result of that is the case will go to court. In the meantime I would count on both vehicles being impouded, just how they do things here.
It's an amazing thing to me the Thai's are more afraid of the Police here then I am. In most instances they will accept what the police tell them and not challenge it. When in fact they only have the authority to settle the case if there is an agreement between both parties. Otherwise it goes to court.
Bringing a Thai friend into help you, up to you. But my experience tell me Thai friend or not, he will want to save face in front of the other Thai. Someone will need to pay for that face. But each to his own.
I prefer to get things on a business level at the beginning and hopefully avoid a lot of problems. Lawyers are not free, but niether is face money.
In the incident involving Riggers bike I regret getting the lawyer involved the guy accepted her help, and never paid her one dime. I would never work with a lawyer who didn't expect to be paid. She resolved his situation with one phone call, but she should have been paid for that call.
Oh well I'm happy there were no seriuos injuries. I assume the op like me in my case learned somehting that will benefit him the future. Trust me I wait to make sure I have a clear view and it's not unusual to go down the street to make a turn where I know it's safe LOL.
My neck and shoulder are pretty sore today. I keep reviewing the accident in my head.
i was reaching for the brake when I hit then closed my eyes and went for the ride. I slid about 5 meters and the bike slid about 10 meters.
That I wasn't more seriously hurt is a testament to wearing protective gear.
My worst abrasion is on my right knee where the knee pad had slipped out of position. The shoulder and back padding sure proved useful.
I called my insurance company and was a little confused about what coverage the compulsory policy gives. The policy says 15000 bht and from the sounds the agent was making that would cover my hospital bill?
Anyone clear about what the compulsory policies cover?
Good advise Ray and post
Well fancy that another person to add to the listOriginally Posted by ray23
Ray thanks for your insight,
At the accident scene I got no inkling that I would be treated unfairly. I think I'll get my lawyer to call the police. And keep things on a businesslike level.
more later.
One more little bit of info. If you bike slid 10 meters IE 30 feet, me and meters LOL you were not traveling 110 Klms at the point of impact. It would have slid much further then that at that speed.
My understanding of the basic policy is only cover third parties, meaning not you. Hey I could be wrong wouldn't be the first time.
Yep, happening here all the time, I'm rarely going faster than 80-90 now, learned that quickly when I moved to the Moo Ban.Originally Posted by Bung
Well, don't want to go faster than that on a Honda Wave, anyway.
Medical bills for the rider (you), actual hospital costs.Originally Posted by Mr Earl
You need original bills and a police report saying you're not at fault.
-that's what it was for my gf, actual experience, I sat on the back at the time.
Yeh thats the one and onlyOriginally Posted by mrsquirrel
How did you meet him? Was he just another Thailand loser?
^
I remember the twat, registered another nic to go on about his military background and threaten other posters.
Met him on Isaan vikings web site
100% ..............Originally Posted by Mr Earl
Don't know I would have to sse he road surfaces, and break out the charts to say for sure, but less then 110.
I think it would be a safe bet to say you were in the speed limit at that point. The reality is you proably reacted and hit the brakes and just don't remember it.
To be honest I think it it would be hard to have an accuarte memory of your speed in a siuation like that. Maybe that was the last speed you saw on your speedo before the accident. But what you describe doesn't support that speed. You have to remember the brain bucket does get rattled around a bit in these things.
You need to work that out for yourself just be honest and things will work out.
What he said. Good to hear everyone walked away. As far as speed vs bike sliding distance with forks bent it would appear a good deal of speed was scrubbed off on impact. I wouldn't give another thought. You got blind sided you walked away.Originally Posted by peterpan
Good luck with the cops. Enjoy the drugs.
^Thanks.
I'm off to talk with the cops today. PITA it's a two hour drive each way (my neck still hurts a bit). Then I got to get the bike shipped up to BKK for repairs.
The cops were quite fair on this deal. They viewed that both parties had some fault though since I hit the other bike from behind I was more at fault. That's what I would have objectively reasoned as well.
They said if both parties could reach an agreament no citations would be issued.
Fortunately the lady I hit was from Issan and not from the south. My Thai friend immediatly had a good raport. They only wanted me to help repair thier bike.
Upon inspection of thier bike for the first time I saw how I'd really clobbered it (rear wheel bent into a pretzel, all the rear plastic shatered, one side of front fairing scraped badly)
I agreed to fix the bike and I told them to call in someone to appraise it. I was amazed they hadn't done that yet! I was affraid the bill would come in at 15K or so because so much of the plastic was shot. They presented a 6100bht bill! During the write up the policeman suggested something be offered to the babie. Since I was prepared to part with 10k I said that and that was it.
I hadn't brought my green book and wanted to avoid any more hassle. (one of the other coppers had been making some noise about wanting to see my book!)
I managed to pull in a favor and got the bike hawled back to Patong in the back of the a pickup. One of the coppers did a masterfull job tying it down.
Turns out the front swing arm pivot point is what ben on my bike. I haven't priced it yet but I'm sure it's not cheap for a new front swing arm.
anyway after all was said and done there wasn't any bad blood. The cops were happy the lady I hit was relieved . I was releived they didn't try to gouge me. I'm going to get gouged badly enough when I order the replacement parts for my bike as it is!
It really lucky that the only other injured party besides myself was the baby with a tiny scratch on his forehead!
Fuck the lesson to learned here is how damned easy it is to clobber a motorbike.
Driving out there and back in my car I was still spooked from the accident.
I was expecting every farking scooter I saw to dart in front of me. (and some tried to!)
Well done mate 10K aint fok all but as you said I wouldnt want to see the BMW parts book prices.
How about a few picks of the busted BMW
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