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    Hydrogen cars fire up - thanks to CSIRO


    CSIRO researchers Michael Dolan (L) and David Harris are set to make history with these hydrogen-powered cars

    Two cars powered by hydrogen derived from ammonia will be tested in Brisbane today thanks to a Queensland breakthrough
    that CSIRO researchers say could turn Australia into a renewable energy superpower.

    CSIRO principal research scientist Michael Dolan said it was a very exciting day for a project that has been a decade in the making.
    "We started out with what we thought was a good idea, it is exciting to see it on the cusp of commercial deployment," he said.


    Australian fuel could soon be in high demand for hydrogen-powered cars in South Korea.

    For the past decade, researchers have worked on producing ultra-high purity hydrogen using a unique membrane technology.
    The membrane breakthrough will allow hydrogen to be safely transported and used as a mass production energy source.
    "We are certainly the first to demonstrate the production of very clean hydrogen from ammonia," Dr Dolan said.

    "Today is the very first time in the world that hydrogen cars have been fuelled with a fuel derived from
    ammonia carbon-free fuel."

    Program leader David Harris said Australia has a huge source of renewable energy sunlight and wind that can be
    utilised to produce hydrogen.

    But the highly flammable element is difficult to ship long distances because of its low density.


    CSIRO hydrogen tech accelerates fuel cell vehicles

    CSIRO researchers found a way to turn Australian-made hydrogen into ammonia, meaning it could be shipped
    safely to the mass market of Asia.

    It is converted back into hydrogen using their membrane, then pumped into hydrogen-powered cars.


    As of now, there are only five such cars in Australia, but there are tens of thousands across Japan, South Korea
    and Singapore.


    "The key here is we can transport the hydrogen from the place where it is produced from renewable energy let's say
    maybe that is in outback WA and we can ship that form of ammonia anywhere in the world," Dr Harris said.


    Hydrogen fuel is predicted to reach price parity with petroleum within a decade.

    Hyundai spokesman Scott Nargar said the main advantage of hydrogen over electric cars was they could be
    filled up in three minutes like a normal car and had a range of up to 800 kilometres.



    "So they are just like driving a normal car but there will be zero emissions," he said.

    "From a car manufacturer's point of view, we see this as a massive step for Australia.
    "Working in and out of South Korea quite regularly, I know Hyundai has a massive contract to provide hydrogen buses
    to the Korean Government.

    "It just announced 16,000 hydrogen-powered cars will go on the road and 310 hydrogen refilling stations across the
    country under a five-year plan.

    "They need to power those cars from somewhere so why can't it be renewable hydrogen from Australia?"
    Toyota spokesman Matthew Macleod said the breakthrough was exciting because it addressed one of the key challenges with hydrogen.


    "It is a game-changer," he said.


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    Now, if the Aussies can just keep that technology away from the Chinese copiers.
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    This is a fantastic breakthrough. The CSIRO has a commercial arm, doesn't it ? How can I buy shares in this ?

    You forgot the link, David. Though having said that, ABC links haven't been working lately, for some odd reason.

    Perhaps just cut and paste into Google, if so.

    Hydrogen fuel breakthrough in Queensland could fire up massive new export market - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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    Manufacture this, convert to that, re-convert to this.

    Maybe we could have a look at the total energy requirement for all this. OK oil takes energy to get to the pump but is this system better or worse.

    If there is a plus for hydrogen powered cars it is that they can use existing vehicle technology without the need for further research.

    The advantage is that Australia is blessed with space and sunlight. South Korea not so much so where do they get their energy from to re convert?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    This is a fantastic breakthrough. The CSIRO has a commercial arm, doesn't it ? How can I buy shares in this ?

    You forgot the link, David. Though having said that, ABC links haven't been working lately, for some odd reason.

    Perhaps just cut and paste into Google, if so.

    Hydrogen fuel breakthrough in Queensland could fire up massive new export market - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
    No mention of cost and running costs, which would be interesting compared to stuff I read somewhere (?) that current tech (c10 years ago) could produce hydrogen powered cars that extract hydrogen from air (or water) and wouldn't need stations to refuel/recharge. Estimated cost at the time was around $1m each, with mass production possibly reducing it up to half but unlikely more.

    Now a decade on and no reason not to have far more efficient and cheaper cars, and the next decade should open up new horizons. Any shares you get in this future are already looking good; deal me in.

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    Are the vehicles electric, running off fuel cells or internal combustion?

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    The buses in Seoul are fuel cell. A BMW hydrogen car would be internal combustion.

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