Best 4wd Pickup available in Thailand

**can123** · 02-10-2014, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Most of the 4x4's off the showroom have open differentials. Meaning if one side spins the other side looses traction. Locking diffs mean you get serious traction to all 4 wheels.

Complete and utter bollocks ! The object is to get the vehicle to move and this is achieved by traction on wheels which are appropriate. Nissan have developed their own system which utilises technology to ensure that wheel spin is controlled. It is extremely effective and is an excellent safety measure when driving on ice and snow.

The suggestion that all four wheels should turn at the same speed at all times is ludicrous.

Daihatsu used locks to convert two wheel drive into four wheel drive and this is their sole purpose.

I have driven Mitsubishi, Isuzu, Toyota, Daihatsu, Ford, and Subaru four wheel drive vehicles. I have also driven Land Rovers and Range Rovers, the older models always having performed better than the more recent ones.

**OhOh** · 02-10-2014, 10:48 PM

Has anyone tried locking hubs. These are a device on the two front wheels which when unactivated release the front two wheels from the drive shaft. Don't ask me how. The idea is that one should get better fuel economy.

When you want full 4 wd you turn the lock and the two front wheels are then connected to the drive shafts.

I have seen videos of 4wds with differential locks which seem to help. One to lock the rear axle and a second for the front axel. Does the Vigo have diff locks as standard?

**can123** · 03-10-2014, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Does the Vigo have diff locks as standard?

No, it doesn't need them as the selection of four wheel and two wheel drive is done using a second stick next to the gear stick. In the Isuzus and Nissans the four wheel drive is selected by moving a knob on the dashboard.

**OhOh** · 03-10-2014, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by can123

No, it doesn't need them as the selection of four wheel and two wheel drive is done using a second stick next to the gear stick. In the Isuzus and Nissans the four wheel drive is selected by moving a knob on the dashboard.

I may be going way past my knowledge here but bear with me.

The two wheel/4 wheel drive gearbox selector simply disconnects/connects the front drive shaft from the gearbox. Unfortunately without the "locking hubs" being unlocked the front wheels will drive the axle/front diff/front drive shaft which would increase fuel consumption. Unless there is some sort of selectable "locking hubs" already fitted as standard. There well maybe some electronics which manage some sort of centre diff as well.

The ability to select 2 or 4 wheel drive is just the power going to 2 or 4 wheels by the front and rear drive shafts.

There may well be a high/low gearbox setting/lever as well. I am trying to remember what my old Landrover/Landcruiser had from many years ago. I am pretty certain they had a lever for 2wd/4wd and another for high and low rations. IMHO

I am under the impression that there may be up to three "diff" locks. One for each diff on the two axles, front and rear, an lastly a centre diff - which can lock the front and rear drive shafts together i.e. the two front wheels and the two rear wheels so as all 4 turn in unison if desired.

The locking hubs are, as far as I know, the ability for the front two wheels to "free wheel" similar as on a rear wheel drive vehicle or on a front wheel drive vehicle the rear two wheels "free wheel". This I have read is to reduce fuel consumption along with wear and tear on tyres/transmission/gearbox/axle differentials. They are bolted onto the two front wheels and turned on or off as desired, maybe automatically these days?

There are some benefits and warnings here:

Locking hubs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So in conclusion maybe I am just an old duffer and need to accept the all singing and dancing electronically controlled systems of today's new world.

Or just believe the new car salesman and say I want a blue one please!

**can123** · 03-10-2014, 03:26 AM

Everything is done using electronics these days. I once drove a Daihatsu Fourtrack which was not controlled electronically by the driver using a switch. I had to get out of the vehicle and physically lock/unlock the front wheels by moving a rotating pin on each wheel. Modern cars are much easier to use and the change of drive is now only restricted by speeds at which this may be accomplished, each model being different.

My Nissan X-Trail outperformed all other four wheel drive vehicles in deep snow and it had two wheel drive, four wheel drive and an electronically controlled variable drive system which came into play when wheel spin occurred.

I know I am being a bit childish but it was great to pass Land Rovers, BMW's, Shoguns, Audis and all the rest as I moved easily through deep snow when they were all stuck motionless, wheels spinning like crazy.

**OhOh** · 03-10-2014, 03:34 AM

I have just found this video of SUV's being tested to validate their alleged 4wd electronically controlled systems. Only one a Subaru actually works!

**OhOh** · 03-10-2014, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by can123

Nissan X-Trail

Looking at the details of the 4wd sheet it looks as if you have a electronically controlled coupling/clutch between the engine and the rear axle. When the coupling is applied the torque is split 50/50 between front and rear axles. This presumably means if the front wheels were spinning, 50% of the torque is sent to the rear axle. If one of the rear wheels were spinning the 4th wheel would just sit there giving no forward or backwards movement of the car, due to it's unlocked diff, until other rear wheel gained some grip, Yes?

**Fondles** · 03-10-2014, 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

I have just found this video of SUV's being tested to validate their alleged 4wd electronically controlled systems. Only one a Subaru actually works!

Completely irrelevant to a 4X4 pickup.

Unless you have decided to now buy an all wheel drive soft roader instead.

**OhOh** · 03-10-2014, 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by can123

I know I am being a bit childish but it was great to pass

Isn't that why you buy a 4wd motor, so you don't get stuck. Or is it your superior driving style ?

**Mr Earl** · 03-10-2014, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by OhOh

Are these hub locks the "lockers" you refer to?

No I'm referring to differential locking devices.

There are several makes and types, the most popular being the ARB air locker.

Most of the 4x4's off the showroom have open differentials. Meaning if one side spins the other side looses traction. Locking diffs mean you get serious traction to all 4 wheels.

Well I have a off the showroom model vigo 4x4 & I have had all 4 wheel spinning at the same time, so that would be a good choice for a 4x4 pickup.
What pickup are you talking about Mr Earl.
land drover

That may be but all 4 wheels spinning doesn't mean you're getting traction. If you had locking diffs your wheels wouldn't be spinning very much, they'd be a gripping.
Very few vehicles come off the showroom with locking differentials. Usually just the high end Landcruisers.

Most Land Rovers are open differential also. Land Rover has put out some great education/training about how to drive the mud with open diffs. It's mostly about carrying momentum through the slick stuff. Which is what you were likely doing spinning all four wheels. If you're stopped and stuck only one side will spin.

**Ratchaburi** · 03-10-2014, 08:48 AM

[quote=Mr Earl;2874493]

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by OhOh

Are these hub locks the "lockers" you refer to?

No I'm referring to differential locking devices.

There are several makes and types, the most popular being the ARB air locker.

Most of the 4x4's off the showroom have open differentials. Meaning if one side spins the other side looses traction. Locking diffs mean you get serious traction to all 4 wheels.

Well I have a off the showroom model vigo 4x4 & I have had all 4 wheel spinning at the same time, so that would be a good choice for a 4x4 pickup.
What pickup are you talking about Mr Earl.
land drover

That may be but all 4 wheels spinning doesn't mean you're getting traction. If you had locking diffs your wheels wouldn't be spinning very much, they'd be a gripping.
quote]

Now I will give you a bit more information about having off the showroom floor 4x4

A 22 wheel truck with trailer with 20ft container with 19 ton load who tried to cut the corner of the drive way at my factory.
As he was cutting the corn of the drive way, his left hand trailer wheel went into a hole & could not get out.
So I used my Vigo 4x4 was on concrete drive way with a 12 metre strap, from the front of my vigo to the frond of a 6 wheel truck.
Then a 12 metre strap from the back of the 6 wheel truck to the front of 22 wheel
with 20ft container at time look like it mite tip over .
So we start my vigo in reverse at first all wheels spinning & the 22 wheel truck did not move, OK I called my workers & told them to get on the back of my Vigo.
I walk over to the 6 wheel truck & told him to get the Rev's up & rid the clutch.
So off we go again, this time I have 15 works on the back of the Vigo & all 4 wheel spinning again.
After about 10 seconds the tires started to get hot & we started to move the truck out of the hole.
Now you would think that if I had diff lock, then the wheels would not spin to much.

**norfolkc** · 03-10-2014, 10:31 AM

have worked on pipeline construction here many times and for me in bad ground the Isuzu is the one the 3LT engine is bullet prof good rugged truck

**Fondles** · 03-10-2014, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by OhOh

Are these hub locks the "lockers" you refer to?

No I'm referring to differential locking devices.

There are several makes and types, the most popular being the ARB air locker.

Most of the 4x4's off the showroom have open differentials. Meaning if one side spins the other side looses traction. Locking diffs mean you get serious traction to all 4 wheels.

Well I have a off the showroom model vigo 4x4 & I have had all 4 wheel spinning at the same time, so that would be a good choice for a 4x4 pickup.
What pickup are you talking about Mr Earl.
land drover

That may be but all 4 wheels spinning doesn't mean you're getting traction. If you had locking diffs your wheels wouldn't be spinning very much, they'd be a gripping.

Now I will wank wank spurt wank wank spurt

Now you would think that if I had diff lock, then the wheels would not spin to much.

You have LSD's not locked diff's.

**Ratchaburi** · 03-10-2014, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by OhOh

Are these hub locks the "lockers" you refer to?

No I'm referring to differential locking devices.

There are several makes and types, the most popular being the ARB air locker.

Most of the 4x4's off the showroom have open differentials. Meaning if one side spins the other side looses traction. Locking diffs mean you get serious traction to all 4 wheels.

Well I have a off the showroom model vigo 4x4 & I have had all 4 wheel spinning at the same time, so that would be a good choice for a 4x4 pickup.
What pickup are you talking about Mr Earl.
land drover

That may be but all 4 wheels spinning doesn't mean you're getting traction. If you had locking diffs your wheels wouldn't be spinning very much, they'd be a gripping.

good on yu Fondles wank wank spurt wank wank spurt

Now you would think that if I had diff lock, then the wheels would not spin to much.

You have LSD's not locked diff's wank wank spurt wank wank spurt.

Can you show me where I posted that I had Difflock

**Mr Earl** · 03-10-2014, 12:37 PM

^ also that a good way to break a differential. Horsing a huge load on it.

**Fondles** · 03-10-2014, 12:38 PM

I dont give a fuck whether you said it or not. You said you had all 4 wheels spinning. that implies all 4 wheels are being driven, as in you do not have an open diff centre (otherwise only one side would be spinning)... all the other morons are blabbing on about locked diffs.

Unless it is aftermarket then what you have is a limited slip diff.

Locked diffs are dangerous on the road and should only be used off road.

**Ratchaburi** · 03-10-2014, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

^ also that a good way to break a differential. Horsing a huge load on it.

So the Toyota Hilux Vigo are a tuff truck

**Mr Earl** · 03-10-2014, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

^ also that a good way to break a differential. Horsing a huge load on it.

So the Toyota Hilux Vigo are a tuff truck

Up to a point, you were lucky, if you subjected the truck to much more tractor pulling stunts something will break.

You see guys here running really heavy loads on their Toyota, Isuzu or Nissan, but I notice that more often than not they are running big full-floater 1 ton rear axles, not something off the showroom floor.

I spent quite a bit of time running a tricked out FJ40 in AK. I never broke anything but have assisted a time or two in breakdown rescue, we would generally carry a spare birfield. The the rear axles were generally tough, but my buddy snapped his once out in some rough ice. I had run into town an pull one out of spare junk rig.

This was my rig.

and some of my buddies...

I don't know who owns this one but it be some serious kit.

**OhOh** · 03-10-2014, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

So the Toyota Hilux Vigo are a tuff truck

It does seem that it's a recognised contender for the blue ribbon.

Does it have diff locks, does it take locking hubs or should I forget them and listen to the salesman and choose a pink one?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

big full-floater 1 ton rear axles,

What does the "out of the showroom" vigo come with ? I struggle to find any quoted load capacity in the spec sheets. Presumably the load capacity indicates that the chassis/engine/gearbox/axle ...... are capable of accepting this without anything breaking?

Thanks for the photos. The SWB Landcruiser seems to be the model I had back in my "Canadian Rockies" days. I never even put larger tyres on mine. I did take of the roof, doors and rear side panels off during the summers though. I seem to remember that the front windscreen also folded flat onto the engine bonnet.

Previous to that I had a SWB Land Rover, no idea to the model, it was a dull green. It 's main use was to pull two horses in a trailer. It also was used by the neighbors to pull their cars out of the roadside ditches after a nights boozing.

**Mr Earl** · 03-10-2014, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

So the Toyota Hilux Vigo are a tuff truck

It does seem that it's a recognized contender for the blue ribbon.

Does it have diff locks, does it take locking hubs or should I forget them and listen to the salesman and choose a pink one?

I don't think pink is standard, but we sure could organize a TD piss up to rattle can your new truck pink. Sheeit I'd buy some of the paint and beer.

**OhOh** · 03-10-2014, 05:39 PM

All your photos show trucks with winches. Have you used them much? Did your trucks have locking hubs and did they make any difference to fuel consumption?

It does seem that the 4wd SUV's are equipped today with electronic devices which appear to be somewhat less capable than the old style mechanical systems.

**Ratchaburi** · 03-10-2014, 05:44 PM

Nice picture MrEarl I have used it 3 time as a tractor but don't have over size mud tires on it.
If you have over size tires you put more stress on your gear box,axle & tail shaft.

**Fondles** · 03-10-2014, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

You see guys here running really heavy loads on their Toyota, Isuzu or Nissan, but I notice that more often than not they are running big full-floater 1 ton rear axles, not something off the showroom floor.

Not their not.

They are low spec 2 wheel drive pickups (look at the front wheels, they are 5 stud) with the heavier duty 6 stud hi-rider/4x4 diff fitted running a few extra leaves in the rear springs.

**Mr Earl** · 03-10-2014, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

All your photos show trucks with winches. Have you used them much? Did your trucks have locking hubs and did they make any difference to fuel consumption?

It does seem that the 4wd SUV's are equipped today with electronic devices which appear to be somewhat less capable than the old style mechanical systems.

Actually we did use the winches often. Not all rigs were equal.

For example when my buddies broke the rear axle out on the ice we used his winch and my rig as anchor to pull him out.

locking hub and fuel consumption were never part of outback excursions equations
.

We carried extra fuel as required to get home. Most of us had petrol engines. The fancy direct injection diesel engines... only far east mythology.

**baldrick** · 04-10-2014, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Does it have diff locks

no - it will have a limited slip diff

Originally Posted by OhOh

does it take locking hubs

the hubs will have locks - but most will be electric now - old style was rotating the switch on the wheel ( I have seen it recently on a newish model barebones nissan 200 ute )

when you lock your front hubs , you are switching them from freewheel to locked to the front axel.

when you engage 4wd you are engaging the front diff through the transfer case ( either chain or belt ) which then drives the front axel and as you have locked the front wheel hubs it will drive the front wheels ( depending on the traction and your LSD )

a diff lock is normally an aftermarket accessory

Originally Posted by OhOh

or should I forget them and listen to the salesman and choose a pink one?

listen to battyboo and go for orange

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