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Old 04-09-2007, 10:27 AM   #181 (permalink)
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Who's talking about the movies here?
I'm referring to the gang-bangers we grabbed in Afganistan and high profile punks like KSM...
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Old 04-09-2007, 10:30 AM   #182 (permalink)
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You are...

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I'm referring to the gang-bangers we grabbed in Afganistan and high profile punks like KSM...
And what about the less 'high profile' people then? The ones that have fallen victim to extraordinary rendition and could, in all actuality, be innocent yet are deprived of the right to even a trial. Something that even the most despotic of nations at least make a show of doing.

What about them?
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Old 04-09-2007, 10:48 AM   #183 (permalink)
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And what about the less 'high profile' people then? The ones that have fallen victim to extraordinary rendition and could, in all actuality, be innocent yet are deprived of the right to even a trial. Something that even the most despotic of nations at least make a show of doing.

What about them?
Collateral victims? Wrong place at the wrong time?
Who's to decide if they are innocent/guilty?
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Old 04-09-2007, 10:50 AM   #184 (permalink)
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Matter of opinion, some nutters would rather disband Western civilisation than risk breaching the strictest interpretation of an innocent person's rights.
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Who's to decide if they are innocent/guilty?
Usually a little something called due process and the right to be tried for your alleged crimes, the right to face your accusers. Something that is being denied.

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Matter of opinion, some nutters would rather disband Western civilisation than risk breaching the strictest interpretation of an innocent person's rights.
Pretty melodramtic don't you think. There's no "strict interpretation" of rights because they patently have been denied them. What does that say about 'Western civilisation'?
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they're trying to take away our 'freedoms'!

civilization itself hangs in the balance!

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Old 04-09-2007, 10:58 AM   #187 (permalink)
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It's basically a moot point anyhow as those boys aren't going anywhere soon. As been said, the ones who have been let loose return to their bad habits and blow up more innocent lives.
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It's basically a moot point anyhow as those boys aren't going anywhere soon
A moot point? Try telling that to the families of those that are unlawfully incarcerated.

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As been said, the ones who have been let loose return to their bad habits and blow up more innocent lives.
Where was that said? Do you have some examples of such?

And if they were 'guilty' ("return to their bad habits and blow up more innocent lives") why were they released in the first place? Or is it that, deprived of basic human rights, the time of their incarceration has grown bitterness and resentment against their unlawful persecuters?
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Loads of reports in MSM of former inmates showing up in Pakistan/Afganistan having a 'go' at us all over again and I can't be arsed to look 'em up for you right now.

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I can't be arsed to look 'em up for you right now
Of course you can't. Should probably not cite them in the first place if that's the case though.
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Old 04-09-2007, 11:29 AM   #191 (permalink)
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No need for the heavy-handed cross-examination here counselor - we ain't in a court of law or...taking a fokking deposition either!

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No need for the heavy-handed cross-examination here counselor - we ain't in a court of law or...taking a fokking deposition either!
Nothing heavy-handed about it, Booners. This is 'Issues', a section for debate. And you can't have reasoned and rational debate if you make claims based on something you "can't be arsed" to support.

The only applicable standard is common sense and decency.
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No need for the heavy-handed cross-examination here counselor - we ain't in a court of law or...taking a fokking deposition either!
Nothing heavy-handed about it, Booners. This is 'Issues', a section for debate. And you can't have reasoned and rational debate if you make claims based on something you "can't be arsed" to support.

The only applicable standard is common sense and decency.
Ant...it's pretty much common knowledge that those former inmates of Gitmo have returned to their evil ways - it's out there in like, in the public domain as it were. To debate that issue is frankly, a non-starter...
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Ant...it's pretty much common knowledge that those former inmates of Gitmo have returned to their evil ways - it's out there in like, in the public domain as it were. To debate that issue is frankly, a non-starter...
Well if it's in the public domain and is common knowledge it really shouldn't be too much of a problem for you to cite some objective evidence in support of it should it.

Also remembering that "returned to their evil ways" is your statement and a clear inference that they were invovled in terrorist activities in the first place.
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Where was that said? Do you have some examples of such? And if they were 'guilty' ("return to their bad habits and blow up more innocent lives") why were they released in the first place? Or is it that, deprived of basic human rights, the time of their incarceration has grown bitterness and resentment against their unlawful persecuters?
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So? It's to a good cause. I get a lot of enjoyment out of winding you libs up and figure 50 bucks is cheap entertainment!
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Where was that said? Do you have some examples of such? And if they were 'guilty' ("return to their bad habits and blow up more innocent lives") why were they released in the first place? Or is it that, deprived of basic human rights, the time of their incarceration has grown bitterness and resentment against their unlawful persecuters?
Go here .

Pentagon: 7 ex-Gitmo prisoners return to terror

"And why not? The Pentagon dares not do anything to challenge the ideology of the prisoners there — signing a statement is nothing, especially to men whose religion sanctions religious deception (taqiyya, cf. Qur'an 16:106). "
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