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Storekeeper · 17-11-2006, 09:43 AM

I'm not even going to try to humor you with a response to your last post.

I have no problem whatsoever with the decision to invade Iraq. You do. So be it.

Do you think I take seriously someone who wants to counsel me that terrorists have rights ... but yet you want to deny hard working illegal immigrants welfare benefits and other rights?

man with no head · 17-11-2006, 09:54 AM

In an attempt to humor the strawman being constructed there: what rights?

What rights have I supported denying to illegal immigrants yet I turn around and support for criminal suspects? Have I said that illegals should be detained indefinately? Tortured? Forced to confess against their will? Held without the possibility of trial, access to an attorney of their choice, or held without knowing the charges against them? Held on heresay? Held without the possibility of confronting the witness(es) accusing them of a crime?

Storekeeper · 17-11-2006, 10:00 AM

You missed my point. And as usual you pose two questions in response to one.

As somebody has said many times in the forums ... we should give up ... especially me, because unlike you I'm not trying to gain converts.

I don't mind if people stay stuck on stupid.

man with no head · 17-11-2006, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Do you think I take seriously someone who wants to counsel me that terrorists have rights ... but yet you want to deny hard working illegal immigrants welfare benefits and other rights?

You are aware of the fallacy you posed (I hope).

machangezi · 07-12-2006, 12:22 PM

Now that the so called Iraq study group has forwarded its recommendations, let's see what the Butcher adminstration's plan of action might be. There're 79 recommendations in the report and I bet Butcher adminstration ain't going to follow even 25% of it.

Iraq study group observed that the Butcher administration's miserably failing in Iraq. All the strategies are going down the gutter. It also observed that the best way to solve all problems in Iraq is to seek help from the neighbouring countries, especially Iran. Will the alcoholist agree? I much doubt it. The study group also recommended that the US troops must leave as early as 2008 and their only role should be training the Iraqis.

By the way, have they transferred all the riches back to the states?

Begbie · 07-12-2006, 02:08 PM

Well Bush isn't exactly a decisive type so I reckon he'll take instruction and take up the parts of the report that present the easiest way out. Shades of Nixon and South Vietnam.

Milkman · 07-12-2006, 03:28 PM

The recent release of the "Iraq Study Groups" finding and the individual interviews of the people involved reveal:

That this is a very complicated and multi-faceted situation and it involves the entire Middle East, not just Iraq.

Political, sectarian, geo-politics, historical, forces are at play.

Note: the findings of the "Iraq Study Group" don't provide the new game plane for "winning," but a game plan to stabilize the region as much as possible, and get out.

machangezi · 07-12-2006, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milkman

The recent release of the "Iraq Study Groups" finding and the individual interviews of the people involved reveal:

That this is a very complicated and multi-faceted situation and it involves the entire Middle East, not just Iraq.

Political, sectarian, geo-politics, historical, forces are at play.

Note: the findings of the "Iraq Study Group" don't provide the new game plane for "winning," but a game plan to stabilize the region as much as possible, and get out.

Wrong Milky mate! It provides the easiest / quickest way out (escape)! Pack your bags and fuck off to the states is the main recommendation. Leave the war torn country and let the Iraqi buggers sort it for themselves.

raycarey · 07-12-2006, 06:00 PM

the arrogance of the bush administration is only exceeded by its incomptence.

the whole point of the iraq study group was to find a way out of the mess GWB got the US into.....he's been looking for an plausible excuse to 'cut and run' and he got dad's friend to give it to him.

Butterfly · 07-12-2006, 08:48 PM

^ well, he might be too stupid to get a clue. Oh is Baker having a go at GW Bush for turning him down on his first term ? payback time.

keda · 10-12-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Storekeeper

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

Iraq will become an Iran style Islamic revolution. And they will have both Nuke.

You don't think Israel would have the nads to bomb any nuke plants in Iraq again ?

As it seems the US and Europe have neither the stomach nor the will, it'll be Israel with or without their knowledge or approval that does the dirty work of striking at any target that might prevent extremist Islamic states from developing a nuclear capability.

keda · 10-12-2006, 12:47 PM

Oh yes, and even in the unlikely event that those facilities are buried deep within residential neighbourhoods.

stroller · 10-12-2006, 01:07 PM

You'd have to find out if there are any and where they would be located first before raising the question what do do about it.
We don't want nations being bombed and invaded on the basis of hysteric allegations again.

keda · 10-12-2006, 04:36 PM

Sure, like Israel's foray into Osirak...no doubt many people relished the fact that the Jews were caught bang to rights, flouting international law by invading sovereign territory, despite the fact that the rest of the free world cared less than a toss. Evil muthas, eh?

typo

machangezi · 11-12-2006, 11:28 PM

Did anyone actually read the 79 recommendations? I recently did and there're very interesting recommendations that would prove that it wasn't any "war on terror (what a pathetic phrase)" rather it was a war for oil.

I'll soon post the recommendations of the so called "Iraq Study Group".

stroller · 11-12-2006, 11:52 PM

Just in case anyone might want to inform themselves:
http://wid.ap.org/documents/iraq/2006isg_report.pdf

Boon Mee · 12-12-2006, 12:36 AM

What’s not to like about the so-called 'study group' conculsions? We cut and run, Iraq descends into chaos as Shiites and Sunnis fight over the remains and leaders like Mr. Talabani have their heads removed. And ... the Democrats blame Bush...

Boon Mee · 12-12-2006, 12:49 AM

Which part of ‘Death to America’ don’t you understand?

"The Iranian government has responded more positively than the Bush Administration has to the Iraq Study Group’s proposal for talks between the two. And government sources in Tehran tell TIME that this reflects a sincere and calculated desire among the Iranian leadership for improved relations with Washington."

Responded more positively……well why wouldn’t they? The opportunity to show us begging them for help, on live TV? That would work out beautifully for Ahmadinejadwhackjob, before leading a chant of ‘Death to America’ at a post-show Religion of Peace rally.

Milkman · 13-12-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

What’s not to like about the so-called 'study group' conculsions?

After reading excerpts from the Iraq Study Group report it seems to be worded very carefully.

It could have been more direct in some areas.

This group seemed a bit carefully in how it worded the situation and the many possible solutions.

man with no head · 13-12-2006, 03:30 PM

In other words....it's a political statement? Who would have thought?

The only sensible solution is to get out where we should not have been in the first place.

17-11-2006, 09:43 AM	#81 (permalink)
Storekeeper Because I said so. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ban Phe Posts: 4,822	I'm not even going to try to humor you with a response to your last post. I have no problem whatsoever with the decision to invade Iraq. You do. So be it. Do you think I take seriously someone who wants to counsel me that terrorists have rights ... but yet you want to deny hard working illegal immigrants welfare benefits and other rights? __________________ "England forever; the USA one day longer" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-12-2006, 12:22 PM	#85 (permalink)
machangezi Not again! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Out there! Posts: 8,121	Now that the so called Iraq study group has forwarded its recommendations, let's see what the Butcher adminstration's plan of action might be. There're 79 recommendations in the report and I bet Butcher adminstration ain't going to follow even 25% of it. Iraq study group observed that the Butcher administration's miserably failing in Iraq. All the strategies are going down the gutter. It also observed that the best way to solve all problems in Iraq is to seek help from the neighbouring countries, especially Iran. Will the alcoholist agree? I much doubt it. The study group also recommended that the US troops must leave as early as 2008 and their only role should be training the Iraqis. By the way, have they transferred all the riches back to the states? __________________ "The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do." Samuel P. Huntington To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-12-2006, 03:28 PM	#87 (permalink)
Milkman Gone Off Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: shelf Posts: 10,354	The recent release of the "Iraq Study Groups" finding and the individual interviews of the people involved reveal: That this is a very complicated and multi-faceted situation and it involves the entire Middle East, not just Iraq. Political, sectarian, geo-politics, historical, forces are at play. Note: the findings of the "Iraq Study Group" don't provide the new game plane for "winning," but a game plan to stabilize the region as much as possible, and get out. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. _____________

12-12-2006, 12:49 AM	#98 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: 05-01-2009 05:56 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,108	Which part of ‘Death to America’ don’t you understand? "The Iranian government has responded more positively than the Bush Administration has to the Iraq Study Group’s proposal for talks between the two. And government sources in Tehran tell TIME that this reflects a sincere and calculated desire among the Iranian leadership for improved relations with Washington." Responded more positively……well why wouldn’t they? The opportunity to show us begging them for help, on live TV? That would work out beautifully for Ahmadinejadwhackjob, before leading a chant of ‘Death to America’ at a post-show Religion of Peace rally. __________________ ผมเป็นคนบ้านนอก

17-11-2006, 09:54 AM	#82 (permalink)
man with no head Somewhere Travelling Last Online: 11-08-2007 07:39 PM Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,424	In an attempt to humor the strawman being constructed there: what rights? What rights have I supported denying to illegal immigrants yet I turn around and support for criminal suspects? Have I said that illegals should be detained indefinately? Tortured? Forced to confess against their will? Held without the possibility of trial, access to an attorney of their choice, or held without knowing the charges against them? Held on heresay? Held without the possibility of confronting the witness(es) accusing them of a crime?

17-11-2006, 10:00 AM	#83 (permalink)
Storekeeper Because I said so. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ban Phe Posts: 4,822	You missed my point. And as usual you pose two questions in response to one. As somebody has said many times in the forums ... we should give up ... especially me, because unlike you I'm not trying to gain converts. I don't mind if people stay stuck on stupid.

07-12-2006, 02:08 PM	#86 (permalink)
Begbie Senior Member Last Online: Today 12:17 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lagrangian Point Posts: 5,723	Well Bush isn't exactly a decisive type so I reckon he'll take instruction and take up the parts of the report that present the easiest way out. Shades of Nixon and South Vietnam.

07-12-2006, 06:00 PM	#89 (permalink)
raycarey Incoming! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: deleting posts in issues Posts: 5,579	the arrogance of the bush administration is only exceeded by its incomptence. the whole point of the iraq study group was to find a way out of the mess GWB got the US into.....he's been looking for an plausible excuse to 'cut and run' and he got dad's friend to give it to him.

07-12-2006, 08:48 PM	#90 (permalink)
Butterfly Suspended Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 12,518	^ well, he might be too stupid to get a clue. Oh is Baker having a go at GW Bush for turning him down on his first term ? payback time.

10-12-2006, 12:47 PM	#92 (permalink)
keda Senior Member Last Online: Today 11:58 AM Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,527	Oh yes, and even in the unlikely event that those facilities are buried deep within residential neighbourhoods.

10-12-2006, 01:07 PM	#93 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 11:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	You'd have to find out if there are any and where they would be located first before raising the question what do do about it. We don't want nations being bombed and invaded on the basis of hysteric allegations again.

10-12-2006, 04:36 PM	#94 (permalink)
keda Senior Member Last Online: Today 11:58 AM Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,527	Sure, like Israel's foray into Osirak...no doubt many people relished the fact that the Jews were caught bang to rights, flouting international law by invading sovereign territory, despite the fact that the rest of the free world cared less than a toss. Evil muthas, eh? typo

11-12-2006, 11:28 PM	#95 (permalink)
machangezi Not again! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Out there! Posts: 8,121	Did anyone actually read the 79 recommendations? I recently did and there're very interesting recommendations that would prove that it wasn't any "war on terror (what a pathetic phrase)" rather it was a war for oil. I'll soon post the recommendations of the so called "Iraq Study Group".

11-12-2006, 11:52 PM	#96 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 11:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	Just in case anyone might want to inform themselves: http://wid.ap.org/documents/iraq/2006isg_report.pdf

12-12-2006, 12:36 AM	#97 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: 05-01-2009 05:56 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,108	What’s not to like about the so-called 'study group' conculsions? We cut and run, Iraq descends into chaos as Shiites and Sunnis fight over the remains and leaders like Mr. Talabani have their heads removed. And ... the Democrats blame Bush...

13-12-2006, 03:30 PM	#100 (permalink)
man with no head Somewhere Travelling Last Online: 11-08-2007 07:39 PM Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,424	In other words....it's a political statement? Who would have thought? The only sensible solution is to get out where we should not have been in the first place.