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stroller · 14-02-2007, 12:04 PM

Owned simply by reading the link he posted, which he obviously didn't.

Boon Mee · 14-02-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallace

Boon Mee - do you really believe this poll? Come on. Taken from 'Newsbusters - Exposing and Combating Liberal Media Bias'. What the hell do you expect from such a publication?

You missed the statistic - 53 percent say Congress should stop funding additional troops.

What's funny is that the statistic you quote is nowhere in that article. Oh well, never mind.

That statistic is not what I'm refering to.
It's a CBS Poll - a noted left-wing, liberal 'news' organization who say ~half of America supports succeeding in Iraq.
Get your focus here, boys...

Wallace · 14-02-2007, 12:32 PM

Boon Mee - you can't post an item, add a link, and then say that your post had nothing to do with the link you added.

There's nothing wrong with my eyesight. To call CBS a 'noted left-wing, liberal news organisation' is like calling Bush a Marxist. You can find statistics to support any argument you like, and that was my point.

Boon Mee · 14-02-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallace

Boon Mee - you can't post an item, add a link, and then say that your post had nothing to do with the link you added.

There's nothing wrong with my eyesight. To call CBS a 'noted left-wing, liberal news organisation' is like calling Bush a Marxist. You can find statistics to support any argument you like, and that was my point.

So what happened to Gunga Dan Rather then, eh?
Not a noted left-wing news organization my ass...

Wallace · 14-02-2007, 12:59 PM

Well, he might have had a liberal bias as an anchorman, but does that mean the WHOLE of CBS is left-wing? I don't think so.

If you think it is, then you need to spend some time watching European news broadcasts.

lom · 14-02-2007, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallace

If you think it is, then you need to spend some time watching European news broadcasts.

Booners view is so skewed to the right that he can't distinguish left from middle.

stroller · 14-02-2007, 01:14 PM

So, if the figures are not reliable, in your opinion, or at least the ones which refute your point, then why refer to them?
Can't find any accurate ones to support your claim?

Boon Mee · 14-02-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallace

Well, he might have had a liberal bias as an anchorman, but does that mean the WHOLE of CBS is left-wing? I don't think so.

If you think it is, then you need to spend some time watching European news broadcasts.

Yep, agree, Europe is 'worse' in that respect.
Whole masses of folks brainwashed into believing a 'Nanny' state is good for 'em...

Boon Mee · 14-02-2007, 05:56 PM

Stunning news

Moqtada al Sadr has bolted to Iran, apparently because he fears for his safety as more American troops pour into Baghdad. Sadr reportedly took the top command of his "Mahdi army" with him to Tehran.
This probably makes it more difficult to sell the footsoldiers who stayed behind on the desirability of martyrdom.

Damn...this surge thing might just work after all!

Boon Mee · 14-02-2007, 08:28 PM

Another Lamestream Media Tactic: Headlines That Don't Match The Story.

Here's the Associated Press headline , "U.S. general: No evidence Iran is arming Iraquis.

Now here's what the General in question, Peter Pace, actually said:
" Gen. Pace, Chairman of the JCS, said U.S. forces hunting down militant networks that produced roadside bombs had arrested Iranians and that some of the material used in the devices were made in Iran.

"That does not translate that the Iranian govt. per se, for sure, is directly involved in doing this," Pace told reporters in Jakarta. "What it does say is that things made in Iran are being used in Iraq to kill coalition soldiers."

So Pace says the Iranians are bringing Iranian made weapons into Iraq that are killing American soldiers. That's a long way from, "No evidence of Iran is arming Iraquis."

man with no head · 14-02-2007, 08:35 PM

Can't you read?

He states that there is no evidence that Iran, the state, is arming anyone in Iraq. For all you know some private arms dealer from Tehran is selling arms to Iraqis using the 360 tons of cash we shipped over there.

It would be like finding Chevy Suburbans in Iran and claiming that the United States is providing transportation for Iran's nuclear research projects.

Boon Mee · 14-02-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by surasak

For all you know some private arms dealer from Tehran is selling arms to Iraqis using the 360 tons of cash we shipped over there.

Uh huh...sorry, stopped beliving in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus some time ago.

stroller · 14-02-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

So Pace says the Iranians are bringing Iranian made weapons into Iraq...

No, have you read what you posted?
Look 2 paragraphs above in your own post: "...that some of the material used in the devices were made in Iran"

Boon Mee · 14-02-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by stroller

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

So Pace says the Iranians are bringing Iranian made weapons into Iraq...

No, have you read what you posted?
Look 2 paragraphs above in your own post: "...that some of the material used in the devices were made in Iran"

It isn't rocket science to be able to connect the dots, is it?

Pace is certainly not explicitly denying that the Iranian government is arming the terrorists and contrary to the headline, he actually presented some evidence that they very well might be providing materials used in roadside bombs. Additionally, given his limited comments on the issue, he seems to be leaving open the possibility that being presented with more evidence might change his mind.

That's a far cry from what the Associated Press led people to believe with that headline.

stroller · 14-02-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Uh huh...sorry, stopped beliving in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus some time ago.

So, Gen Pace is a toothfairy for claiming there is no evidence to connect to the Iranian gov?
That's very disrespectful and anti-patriotic!

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It isn't rocket science to be able to connect the dots, is it?

No dots here to connect. You misquoted the General, plain and simple, a few lines after the quote of what he actually said.

Pathetic!

Boon Mee · 14-02-2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stroller

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Uh huh...sorry, stopped beliving in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus some time ago.

So, Gen Pace is a toothfairy for claiming there is no evidence to connect to the Iranian gov?
That's very disrespectful and anti-patriotic!

Quote:

It isn't rocket science to be able to connect the dots, is it?

No dots here to connect. You misquoted the General, plain and simple, a few lines after the quote of what he actually said.

Pathetic!

Read my last a little more closely there, 4 eyes...

lom · 14-02-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

he actually presented some evidence that they very well might be providing materials

Ehum..

stfranalum · 14-02-2007, 11:10 PM

i thought the dabate on iraq was over. its a total mess.

only the most stringent of supporters are the only ones who think that iraq is a success. those same folk like to think of iran as our next military adventure.

i know several folk who either are in iraq now, or have been part of the first wave, and successive waves. their consensus isnt unanimous.

people on the first wave into baghdad say it was worth it and they support what we're doing. most folk i know that are part of the securing the peace part- almost overwhelmingly- they say that this we're wasting our time there.

and that aint no classified stuff. i dont get any operational detail. sometimes its how they say it and what they chose not to talk about that the most revealing.

we need to get out now and prosecute bush for war crimes.

Boon Mee · 16-02-2007, 09:58 PM

The smoking gun of Iranian support for Iraqi insurgents.

14-02-2007, 12:32 PM	#103 (permalink)
Wallace Wat Chalong Last Online: 04-09-2007 11:42 AM Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Q Continuum Posts: 870	Boon Mee - you can't post an item, add a link, and then say that your post had nothing to do with the link you added. There's nothing wrong with my eyesight. To call CBS a 'noted left-wing, liberal news organisation' is like calling Bush a Marxist. You can find statistics to support any argument you like, and that was my point. __________________ The truth is out there, but then I'm stuck in here.

14-02-2007, 05:56 PM	#109 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: 05-01-2009 05:56 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,108	Stunning news Moqtada al Sadr has bolted to Iran, apparently because he fears for his safety as more American troops pour into Baghdad. Sadr reportedly took the top command of his "Mahdi army" with him to Tehran. This probably makes it more difficult to sell the footsoldiers who stayed behind on the desirability of martyrdom. Damn...this surge thing might just work after all! __________________ ผมเป็นคนบ้านนอก

14-02-2007, 12:04 PM	#101 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 11:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	Owned simply by reading the link he posted, which he obviously didn't.

14-02-2007, 12:59 PM	#105 (permalink)
Wallace Wat Chalong Last Online: 04-09-2007 11:42 AM Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Q Continuum Posts: 870	Well, he might have had a liberal bias as an anchorman, but does that mean the WHOLE of CBS is left-wing? I don't think so. If you think it is, then you need to spend some time watching European news broadcasts.

14-02-2007, 01:14 PM	#107 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 11:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	So, if the figures are not reliable, in your opinion, or at least the ones which refute your point, then why refer to them? Can't find any accurate ones to support your claim?

14-02-2007, 08:28 PM	#110 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: 05-01-2009 05:56 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,108	Another Lamestream Media Tactic: Headlines That Don't Match The Story. Here's the Associated Press headline , "U.S. general: No evidence Iran is arming Iraquis. Now here's what the General in question, Peter Pace, actually said: " Gen. Pace, Chairman of the JCS, said U.S. forces hunting down militant networks that produced roadside bombs had arrested Iranians and that some of the material used in the devices were made in Iran. "That does not translate that the Iranian govt. per se, for sure, is directly involved in doing this," Pace told reporters in Jakarta. "What it does say is that things made in Iran are being used in Iraq to kill coalition soldiers." So Pace says the Iranians are bringing Iranian made weapons into Iraq that are killing American soldiers. That's a long way from, "No evidence of Iran is arming Iraquis."

14-02-2007, 08:35 PM	#111 (permalink)
man with no head Somewhere Travelling Last Online: 11-08-2007 07:39 PM Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,424	Can't you read? He states that there is no evidence that Iran, the state, is arming anyone in Iraq. For all you know some private arms dealer from Tehran is selling arms to Iraqis using the 360 tons of cash we shipped over there. It would be like finding Chevy Suburbans in Iran and claiming that the United States is providing transportation for Iran's nuclear research projects.

14-02-2007, 11:10 PM	#118 (permalink)
stfranalum Chiang Mai Last Online: 11-10-2007 05:19 PM Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 11	i thought the dabate on iraq was over. its a total mess. only the most stringent of supporters are the only ones who think that iraq is a success. those same folk like to think of iran as our next military adventure. i know several folk who either are in iraq now, or have been part of the first wave, and successive waves. their consensus isnt unanimous. people on the first wave into baghdad say it was worth it and they support what we're doing. most folk i know that are part of the securing the peace part- almost overwhelmingly- they say that this we're wasting our time there. and that aint no classified stuff. i dont get any operational detail. sometimes its how they say it and what they chose not to talk about that the most revealing. we need to get out now and prosecute bush for war crimes.

16-02-2007, 09:58 PM	#119 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: 05-01-2009 05:56 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,108	The smoking gun of Iranian support for Iraqi insurgents.

16-02-2007, 10:24 PM	#120 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 11:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181