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Butterfly · 22-12-2006, 12:23 PM

let me add my piece too

BBC NEWS | Middle East | US marines face Iraq murder trial

Boon Mee · 15-01-2007, 06:52 PM

OMAR REPORTS that insurgents in Baghdad are already running away: "the bad guys are adjusting their plans as the government and US military adjust theirs." That's how it works, generally...

stroller · 15-01-2007, 07:52 PM

So, it's gonna be hide and seek.

And noone could have foreseen this, of course.

man with no head · 15-01-2007, 08:41 PM

Nothing like another random blog to keep the discussion going

Dozens ran way. That's it! The insurgency is broken!

Boon Mee · 16-01-2007, 01:23 PM

Well, USA Today reports a spike in trainees signing up with the Iraqi police forces in Anbar province. This flood of new recruits are signing up in droves as they are sick of them Al Quedas...

It ain't over yet, boys!

man with no head · 16-01-2007, 04:29 PM

Probably because there are no other jobs available since America essentially destroyed the country.

Either become a policeman (and die in a massive bombing) or die due to starvation. What a choice we give them!

Wallace · 18-01-2007, 10:16 AM

Let's get ourselves a posse, boys.

Boon Mee · 26-01-2007, 08:44 AM

So Iraq has nothing to do with the War on Terror?

The left keeps claiming Iraq has nothing to do with the War on Terror. The liberal media, liberal politicians, and the liberal sheep that follow along with anything the big lberal machine tells them. They are either wrong, or lying to you.

Something happened this last week and the liberal media never put two & two together. The headline read, " Zawahri to Bush: Send Entire Army to Iraq to be Annihilated." Any y'all connecting the dots yet?

Wallace · 26-01-2007, 09:15 AM

Not quite sure where you're going with this. What on earth does this have to do with terrorism? It's purely an Iraq issue.

Boon Mee · 26-01-2007, 09:42 AM

Well, these are the words of Al Qaeda, and the Al Qaeda leadership. Direct quotes - not someone's analysis.

In August, 2003, a few months after the Coalition forces successfully remved the Hussein regime, al Qaeda commenced its battle for Iraq with ruthless depravity. Within the span of a few weeks, the Red Cross, the UN, and a Shi'ite mosque were attacked by sucide bombers. Since then, al Qaeda has boasted of over 850 viscious attacks, resulting in the deaths of thousands of innocent Iraquis.

Bin Laden has declared Baghdad to be the "Capital of the Caliphate" which would be one mammoth Islamic state comprising over a billion people, and extending from Indonesia to Morocco.

Ayman al-Zawahiri, the number two man in al Qaeda, stressed the importance of Iraq to its larger goals. In 2005 he stated that al Qaeda must "Establish An Islamic Authority...Over As Much Territory As You CanTo Spread Its Power In Iraq...Extend the Jihad Wave To The Secular Countries Neighboring Iraq"

In other words, Iraq was and is central in the War on Terror.

stroller · 26-01-2007, 10:02 AM

No, it's just that US soldiers make easier targets in Iraq, and provide US-funded training opportunities to the A.Q. recruits, before they'll move on.

Boon Mee · 26-01-2007, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stroller

...before they'll move on.

To where?

lom · 26-01-2007, 11:20 AM

Aah, but you seem to have missed a bit of information during the years Booners.
Al Qaeda has been minimalised and Bin Laden is of no importance anymore.
All according to GWB

And, should there be any pieces of truth in your statement, then the keyword are not "was and is central". The keywords are "became central".
Who caused that Booners ?
Oh, you already answered that one:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

In August, 2003, a few months after the Coalition forces successfully remved the Hussein regime, al Qaeda commenced its battle for Iraq with ruthless depravity.

Mr Earl · 04-02-2007, 07:47 AM

this is ugly news

Wallace · 05-02-2007, 09:36 AM

Here are the first two paras of the article:

"BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide bomber driving a truck loaded with a ton of explosives hidden beneath cooking oil, canned food and bags of flour obliterated a Baghdad food market on Saturday, killing at least 121 people in one of the most fearsome attacks in the capital since the U.S. invasion in 2003.

It was the fifth major bombing in less than a month targeting predominantly Shiite districts in Baghdad and one provincial city to the south. This one leveled about 30 shops and 40 houses, witnesses said."

So I guess now the US and Iraqi security forces will go on the offensive and round up some more 'insurgents'. There can be no question that what we have now is tantamount to a civil war.

raycarey · 05-02-2007, 08:47 PM

an interesting article on the 'new team'....

Quote:

Gen. David H. Petraeus, the new U.S. commander in Iraq, is assembling a small band of warrior-intellectuals -- including a quirky Australian anthropologist, a Princeton economist who is the son of a former U.S. attorney general and a military expert on the Vietnam War sharply critical of its top commanders -- in an eleventh-hour effort to reverse the downward trend in the Iraq war.Army officers tend to refer to the group as "Petraeus guys." They are smart colonels who have been noticed by Petraeus, and who make up one of the most selective clubs in the world: military officers with doctorates from top-flight universities and combat experience in Iraq.
Essentially, the Army is turning the war over to its dissidents, who have criticized the way the service has operated there the past three years, and is letting them try to wage the war their way.

WP: Petraeus' team of warrior-PhDs - washingtonpost.com Highlights - MSNBC.com

these seem like dedicated and able individuals, but as put forth by others in the article, IMO it's too late. 4 years of incompetence and arrogance have brought us to this point, and the american public doesn't have the patience to wait another four.

i don't see how petraeus is going to turn everything around in iraq before the summer of next year...pres. candidates will be falling all over themselves to either distance themselves from the president and his failed war, or promising to get the troops out the earliest possible date.

even patraeus and his group must know it's over.

Milkman · 05-02-2007, 11:26 PM

I read this article too, Ray.

Many military analysts and experts at the war college and elsewhere are saying that it's too late.

Boon Mee · 10-02-2007, 04:57 PM

Marines hit the jackpot near Fallujah.

And, an update

mad_dog · 10-02-2007, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Marines hit the jackpot near Fallujah.

And, an update

[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Calmly, the Sheik watched as the Marines detained the two young men in the house, volunteering that if they were “bad guys” he was happy to see them go. “You and I are going to find a way to work together to make this area better,” he told Lt Friel, “like Ramadi.” The Sheik added that it was “Iranians and foreigners” who were destabilizing his tribal area. “Iranians are forcing out the doctors and teachers. Soon this town will look like Afghanistan.”[/font]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/font]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][FONT='Arial','sans-serif']The Sheik repeatedly emphasized his interest in working with the Marines in order to protect his tribe against the Shia. Next to halting AQI’s brutal terror campaign against the Sunni tribes, the largest worry in Anbar Province is that Shia – a generic term ranging from Iranians to the Prime Minister Maliki’s government in Baghdad – will stamp out the Sunni in Anbar.[/font][/font]

Why do you think any of this is good news

Boon Mee · 10-02-2007, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Why d

26-01-2007, 08:44 AM	#68 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: 05-01-2009 05:56 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,108	So Iraq has nothing to do with the War on Terror? The left keeps claiming Iraq has nothing to do with the War on Terror. The liberal media, liberal politicians, and the liberal sheep that follow along with anything the big lberal machine tells them. They are either wrong, or lying to you. Something happened this last week and the liberal media never put two & two together. The headline read, " Zawahri to Bush: Send Entire Army to Iraq to be Annihilated." Any y'all connecting the dots yet? __________________ ผมเป็นคนบ้านนอก

05-02-2007, 09:36 AM	#75 (permalink)
Wallace Wat Chalong Last Online: 04-09-2007 11:42 AM Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Q Continuum Posts: 870	Here are the first two paras of the article: "BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide bomber driving a truck loaded with a ton of explosives hidden beneath cooking oil, canned food and bags of flour obliterated a Baghdad food market on Saturday, killing at least 121 people in one of the most fearsome attacks in the capital since the U.S. invasion in 2003. It was the fifth major bombing in less than a month targeting predominantly Shiite districts in Baghdad and one provincial city to the south. This one leveled about 30 shops and 40 houses, witnesses said." So I guess now the US and Iraqi security forces will go on the offensive and round up some more 'insurgents'. There can be no question that what we have now is tantamount to a civil war. __________________ The truth is out there, but then I'm stuck in here.

10-02-2007, 04:57 PM	#78 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: 05-01-2009 05:56 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,108	Marines hit the jackpot near Fallujah. And, an update Last edited by Boon Mee : 10-02-2007 at 05:07 PM.

22-12-2006, 12:23 PM	#61 (permalink)
Butterfly Suspended Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 12,519	let me add my piece too BBC NEWS \| Middle East \| US marines face Iraq murder trial

15-01-2007, 06:52 PM	#62 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: 05-01-2009 05:56 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,108	OMAR REPORTS that insurgents in Baghdad are already running away: "the bad guys are adjusting their plans as the government and US military adjust theirs." That's how it works, generally...

15-01-2007, 07:52 PM	#63 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 11:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	So, it's gonna be hide and seek. And noone could have foreseen this, of course.

15-01-2007, 08:41 PM	#64 (permalink)
man with no head Somewhere Travelling Last Online: 11-08-2007 07:39 PM Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,424	Nothing like another random blog to keep the discussion going Dozens ran way. That's it! The insurgency is broken!

16-01-2007, 01:23 PM	#65 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: 05-01-2009 05:56 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,108	Well, USA Today reports a spike in trainees signing up with the Iraqi police forces in Anbar province. This flood of new recruits are signing up in droves as they are sick of them Al Quedas... It ain't over yet, boys!

16-01-2007, 04:29 PM	#66 (permalink)
man with no head Somewhere Travelling Last Online: 11-08-2007 07:39 PM Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,424	Probably because there are no other jobs available since America essentially destroyed the country. Either become a policeman (and die in a massive bombing) or die due to starvation. What a choice we give them!

18-01-2007, 10:16 AM	#67 (permalink)
Wallace Wat Chalong Last Online: 04-09-2007 11:42 AM Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Q Continuum Posts: 870	Let's get ourselves a posse, boys.

26-01-2007, 09:15 AM	#69 (permalink)
Wallace Wat Chalong Last Online: 04-09-2007 11:42 AM Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Q Continuum Posts: 870	Not quite sure where you're going with this. What on earth does this have to do with terrorism? It's purely an Iraq issue.

26-01-2007, 09:42 AM	#70 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: 05-01-2009 05:56 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,108	Well, these are the words of Al Qaeda, and the Al Qaeda leadership. Direct quotes - not someone's analysis. In August, 2003, a few months after the Coalition forces successfully remved the Hussein regime, al Qaeda commenced its battle for Iraq with ruthless depravity. Within the span of a few weeks, the Red Cross, the UN, and a Shi'ite mosque were attacked by sucide bombers. Since then, al Qaeda has boasted of over 850 viscious attacks, resulting in the deaths of thousands of innocent Iraquis. Bin Laden has declared Baghdad to be the "Capital of the Caliphate" which would be one mammoth Islamic state comprising over a billion people, and extending from Indonesia to Morocco. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the number two man in al Qaeda, stressed the importance of Iraq to its larger goals. In 2005 he stated that al Qaeda must "Establish An Islamic Authority...Over As Much Territory As You CanTo Spread Its Power In Iraq...Extend the Jihad Wave To The Secular Countries Neighboring Iraq" In other words, Iraq was and is central in the War on Terror.

26-01-2007, 10:02 AM	#71 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 11:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	No, it's just that US soldiers make easier targets in Iraq, and provide US-funded training opportunities to the A.Q. recruits, before they'll move on.

04-02-2007, 07:47 AM	#74 (permalink)
Mr Earl The Grand Wazoo Last Online: Today 09:09 AM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: This is not Kansas Posts: 4,960	this is ugly news

05-02-2007, 11:26 PM	#77 (permalink)
Milkman Gone Off Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: shelf Posts: 10,354	I read this article too, Ray. Many military analysts and experts at the war college and elsewhere are saying that it's too late.