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Old 25-04-2008, 02:06 PM   #621 (permalink)
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Below is a poll stating that 63% of Americans think invading Iraq was a mistake. (If you cannot see the poll, please post and say so.) This does mean that 37% think it was the right thing to do. Interesting how in the beginning there was so much support for overthrowing the Iraqi Hussein government, but over time the opinion has changed. Many likely thought it would be easy. Use the military. Use force. Everything will fall into place. This likely shows a lack of historcal knowledge on the part of Americans.
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Old 25-04-2008, 02:20 PM   #622 (permalink)
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This likely shows a lack of historcal knowledge on the part of Americans.
Some of that I would guess but had it not been for all those WMDs and terrorist training camps I doubt enthusiasm for war would have been very high.
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Old 25-04-2008, 02:48 PM   #623 (permalink)
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Old 28-04-2008, 01:03 AM   #624 (permalink)
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And this is what we are fighting to, er, protect:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=562358&in_page_id=1770&ct= 5

Teenage Iraqi girl who fell in love with BRITISH soldier is murdered by her own father in honour killing




Rand Abdel-Qader, 17, was killed by her father after falling in love with a British soldier



A teenage Iraqi girl who fell in love with a British soldier when he was in Basra was murdered by her father in an "honour killing", it was revealed today.

Rand Abdel-Qader, 17, was suffocated and then hacked at with a knife after her family discovered she was friends with the 22-year-old soldier who she knew only as Paul.

The pair first met when Rand was working on an aid project for displaced families but it is thought the soldier is unaware of the girl's fate.

She was stamped on, suffocated and stabbed - leaving her with puncture wounds all over her body, including her face.

Her own mother, Leila Hussein, has spoken out about the crime, revealing how her husband called out that he was cleansing "his honour" as he carried out the murder.

She told the Observer he was arrested after the brutal murder but was released without charge two hours later because it was an "honour killing".

"He was released two hours later because it was an 'honour killing'. And unfortunately that is something to be proud of for any Iraqi man," she told the paper.
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Old 28-04-2008, 01:36 AM   #625 (permalink)
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Old 28-04-2008, 01:46 AM   #626 (permalink)
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^Thought it was a bit harsh myself. I hope the time included a congratulatory lunch...
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Old 28-04-2008, 01:59 AM   #627 (permalink)
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And this is what we are fighting to, er, protect:
Well, er, you failed to protect her, she's dead.
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Another honor killing. Another example of how f*cked this culture and religion is.

The Yanks and Brits should have stayed out in the first place.

But my heart goes out to the innocent people who are killed not only by the Yanks and Brits, but by the sick Muslim, Arabic, middle eastern people who I think I sub-human.
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Old 28-04-2008, 04:16 AM   #629 (permalink)
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^Precisely my point until *someone* Strolled into the discussion...
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Never heard GWB or Tony B Lair say the reason for invading Iraq was to prevent "honour killings" when the occupying forces started screwing the local girls?

Sounds like a pretty weird excuse for a war.
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Old 04-05-2008, 08:28 PM   #631 (permalink)
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Heh...like as if we don't already as well:

Iraqis begin to "despise" the Mahdi Army in Baghdad's Rusafa district.



Plus, what's this shit???
UK's largest newspaper embedding reporters with the enemy!!!




Latest Global Breaking News & Views | Times Online News

But, at least Red Ken is out, eh?
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the US blew up a hospital in iraq yesterday.

23 Iraqis hurt in U.S. missile blast - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

i'm sure the iraqis despise this too.
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"He was released two hours later because it was an 'honour killing'. And unfortunately that is something to be proud of for any Iraqi man," she told the paper.
Not under Saddam he wouldn't have been. Makes me long for the old glory days, when Iraq had the highest standard of living, education and life expectancy in the Arab world. Women wore western dress, and 47% of the doctors were women. Iraq was secular then- overt displays of religious extremism were punishable by death.

Still, just because most of the doctors have fled now, Iraq is a tribal fiefdom again, and religious extremism is back, I guess thats a small price to pay for 'freedom and democracy'. Better to be murdered as an oppressed woman no doubt in 'Free Iraq' than prosper as a doctor under that tyrant Saddam Hussein.
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Heh... MSNBC
Until Faux came along, NBC was always considered the most right leaning media channel, CBS and ABC more Centrist.

No pleasing you guys. Why not get a few pals together and start Boonmedia, then you can accuse Faux of being left leaning too?
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"Boonmedia" eh...?

Heh -

War protesters frustrated by apathy
Monday, May 05, 2008
By Jerome L. Sherman, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

War protesters frustrated by apathy
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Boonmeedia has a certain ring to it.
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Boonmeedia has a certain ring to it.
without question a certain smell.
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More American success that we don't hear about in the lamestream media

Iraqi Security Forces have succeeded in temporarily pacifying Basra.

Even the most diehard Iraq hawks want to reduce the U.S. military footprint in Iraq and lean more heavily on Iraqi Security Forces to do the hard work of defeating insurgents and sectarian militias. Which is why recent developments in Basra have been so encouraging. At first, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's decision to confront Moqtada al-Sadr's Iranian-backed militas looked like a major strategic misstep. Now it appears to have transformed Iraqi politics, potentially paving the way for real reconciliation between Sunni and Shia.
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Now it appears to have transformed Iraqi politics, potentially paving the way for real reconciliation between Sunni and Shia.
Let's hope so. If the peace can be sustained it does bode well for Iraq.
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McCain predicts troops will be out of Iraq by 2013

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WASHINGTON - Sen. John McCain looked into the future Thursday and predicted that American troops would return home in victory by the end of his first term as president in 2013.

"By January 2013, America has welcomed home most of the servicemen and women who have sacrificed terribly so that America might be secure in her freedom. The Iraq War has been won," McCain said in a speech in Columbus, Ohio.
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"It's not a timetable; it's victory. It's victory, which I have always predicted. I didn't know when we were going to win World War II; I just knew we were going to win," McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee for president, told reporters. "I know from experience, you set a day for surrender—which is basically what you do when you say you are withdrawing—and you will pay a much a heavier price later on."
McCain predicts troops will be out of Iraq by 2013 -- -- chicagotribune.com
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