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Jet Gorgon

^ Also agree with DrBob.

Benazir Bhutto's widow, Asif Zardari, fairly fresh outta the clink for corruption, is the new leader. Perhaps the bombings relate to him?

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HermantheGerman

Hate to be a smart guy but this is what I wrote yesterday. This is not about 9/11 or Israel ! And as I said in another thread:


http://teakdoor.com/issues/15522-whe...rraf-fall.html (When will Pakistan or Musharraf fall ?)


http://teakdoor.com/middle-east-issu...tml#post767523 (Israeli way of joking??)

If you got intellectual muslim people like Macha blaming everything on the U.S. and Israel for their grievance, what the hell do you expect from those poor sobs that can't even read the Koran.
There is NO hope for that region. Let's get out and don't let them in.

keda

Sorry doc, I may have read it wrong but it sure seems that you think once an atrocity such as this is posted there's little to nothing worth discussing. This isn't a newsroom!

Yes you are right that many innocent people have died and will continue to die in the name of allah, and whether or not that's palatable to me, you, or anyone else. And you are also right that these terrible things do not just happen by chance, each is both cause and effect, influencing and influenced by world events and world politics. That does not alter the fact that they're happening.

As to the pathological haters that persistently claim 911 and other victims of islamic terror 'deserve' it, especially if they're American or Jewish...sorry again, but that sort of thing has been an ongoing event on TD for as long as I've been here. While such things are repugnant to reason, I do not need to mention who the prime movers are because I suspect every poster with more than half a brain already knows who they are. Do these people 'deserve' at least a passing reprimand, or should they be tolerated because decent people not just on TD but around the world are already conditioned to expect no less from savages?

I believe there was a recent thread specifically asking if the US had it coming, and I do not recall much that could be rated as outrage from any of the usual suspects at such an inflammatory proposal. If you are aware of the thread in question, why do you think that is?

DrB0b

^More or less agree, except that I would say that people aren't only dying in the name of Allah, many innocent people have also been killed by "our" side. My rant was directed against those who find pleasure or inappropriate vindication in any innocent's death. Why some people aren't outraged by such things, whether it's directed against Americans, Pakistanis, Afghans, or whoever by whoever, I don't know. Certainly I'm outraged, for all the difference that makes on the world stage.

ItsRobsLife

No just countries that support America. Your time is coming.

HermantheGerman

I found the bomb attack on a mosque 10 days ago killing 20 people a much better donation towards allah. The plight to paradise, to all those virgins, should be a straight ticket with no delays. Since a mosque is your departing airport.


1200 deaths the last 12 months makes Pakistan a potential winner for Martyr Price. I think Israel is loosing this one.

sabang

What is happening in Pakistan seems to me a low grade civil war that nobody wants to declare as such. Looks like it's about to get worse too.

Not much more to say until we find out who did it, and for what alleged reason. Most of these atrocities seem to originate from the northern tribal region of Baluchistan. It may be significant that the target is a Marriott owned hotel, but the overwhelming majority of the victims are Pakistani, as the bombers would have well known- probably more significant that it is in the political capital.

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keda

May be a religious civil war, though some may argue in a muslim country religion and politics are too close to call.


We'll soon be given the alleged reason for this particular atrocity, and no doubt the cheerleaders will be backslapping each other for zealously agreeing that the US are ultimately to blame, conveniently falling for the misconception that atrocities committed in the name of allah, claimed as retaliation for an event or policy, have anything to do with the touted reasons.

spiff

There was nothing much to discuss from your OP, you have not provided enough info before going off on your usual "Peacelovers" and "the left will blame America" dance. LOL

Norton

My sympathy goes out to the families of those killed and best wishes for a speedy recovery to those injured. For our fellow TD members who have family in Pakistan this must be a particularly troubling event. Hang in there Machangezi. I hope all is well with your family.


So far no organization has claimed responsibility for the attack. Assuming it originated from AQ in the tribal areas is likely and predictable.

The tribal areas have always and continue to the present to be a lawless region. During British rule the region was the same as it is now. A lawless uncontrollable area which the British did little or nothing to change. Since it's independence, the central government in Pakistan has taken the same approach as the British. That is, the governance and enforcement of rule of law in the tribal regions is left to the tribal chiefs.

Integrating the tribal regions into a nation ruled by "national" law means the removal of the tribal chieftains and their influence. A difficult and risky undertaking but one that must finally be addressed. If not resolved, the tribal region will remain as it has for nearly 200 years a breeding ground of discontent and a threat to the national security of Pakistan.

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spiff

Ahem, when was Pakistan founded?

The "discontent" in the tribal regions is a direct consequence of them falling under the sovereignity of Pakistan since the post-colonial border shuffle.

Seems to me the problems have become aggravated since Pakistan got involved in the 'game' about Afghanistan, first in supporting the Mujaheddin (with US backing), then targeted itself as an US ally.

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Norton

1947.

Under British rule the current "tribal region" was known as the "northwest frontier" and definitely a part of the "empire". Under British rule, several uprisings occurred in the region. The British response was for the most part a hands off policy leaving the area in a state of lawlessness.



When Pakistan gained it's independence from British rule the tribal regions were deemed independent and the task fell to Pakistan to negotiate with the tribal leaders to become part of Pakistan. A peaceful agreement was reached within a year which made the tribal regions part of Pakistan. Nawt to do with "post colonial" border shuffles.


Agree. Up until the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 the tribal regions were "relatively" quiet under Pakistan's administration. The tribal region became the staging ground for resistance to the Soviets and the consequences were devastating to the regions economy. Not surprising they have now become a safe haven for AQ and the Taliban. History repeats itself.

However, the fact remains, the Pakistani government is the only viable authority that can bring the rule of law to the region.

sabang

The Czech Republic's ambassador to Pakistan was among dozens killed in Saturday's suicide truck bombing at Islamabad's Marriott Hotel, police confirmed Sunday.

Ivo Zdarek was one of at least 57 people known to have died in the blast, police superintendent Sheikh Zubair told CNN. Two Americans and a Lithuanian were also among the casualties, he said. Information on the other three foreigners was not available Sunday but a U.S. Embassy spokesman confirmed that all its diplomats were safe.

Between 150 to 230 others were wounded in the attack.

Zdarek, 47, had moved to Pakistan from Vietnam a month ago and was staying at the hotel, the Czech News Agency said. It attributed its information to officials at the Czech foreign ministry.....

Most of the fatalities appeared to be drivers who were waiting with their cars outside the Marriott, and hotel staff -- most of them security guards, Geo TV's Mir said.

Full Article- Ambassador among hotel bomb victims - CNN.com

machangezi

This inhumane act has CIA written all over it.

machangezi

He'll sell the country for the right amount.

machangezi

Yeah, yeah. Same for the 9/11. Merikans had it coming big time.

machangezi

Would you like your daughter to be among the victims at this excellent timing? Tell me what the fuck do you mean by saying, "excellent timing" you cheap muppet?