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Old 01-08-2008, 03:28 AM   #61 (permalink)
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^ isn't killing murder ? I mean intentional killing is murder, isn't it ?
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Care to comment on that or will you continue to share your vast knowledge of all things American with us?
Are you really so arrogant that you believe that you can't have an opinion on anything American unless you were born there?
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^ isn't killing murder ? I mean intentional killing is murder, isn't it ?
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Are you really so arrogant that you believe that you can't have an opinion on anything American unless you were born there?
Well you can have an opinion on things in America even if you ain't American.
But if that be the case then they will be wrong, irrevelent, useless and shows your stupidity to voice them.

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Murder is generally distinguished from other forms of homicide by the elements of malice aforethought and the lack of lawful justification.
And when you are found quilty in a court of law, that is the lawful justification for the court to kill your rotton ass..
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Old 01-08-2008, 10:53 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Well you can have an opinion on things in America even if you ain't American.
But if that be the case then they will be wrong, irrevelent, useless and shows your stupidity to voice them.
Correct me if I'm wrong blackgang, but isn't this thread - started by you - about voicing an opinion on Iran.

Are you Iranian or are you 'wrong, irrelevant, usless and stupid'?
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isn't killing murder ? I mean intentional killing is murder, isn't it ?
Not when sanctioned by the state. Then it is execution!
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Well you can have an opinion on things in America even if you ain't American. But if that be the case then they will be wrong, irrevelent, useless and shows your stupidity to voice them.
So then BG, following your impeccable logic, neither can you have an opinion about things in Iran, except by showing your stupidity to voice them?
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So then BG, following your impeccable logic, neither can you have an opinion about things in Iran, except by showing your stupidity to voice them?
Not really, Iran doesn't have the brains or wherewithal to do things in a civilized manner and are not intellectually capable to govern themselves, so it is up to the better country's of the world to guide them, kinda like we do Australia, you see we saved them from foreign takeover back in the early 1940s so now we have to be responsible for their well being.
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How civilised was the US in 600 BC?
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so now we have to be responsible for their well being.
Then I have a lot to thank you nice guys for.
We're doing just fine, riding the Hog actually, generally defined as the happiest peole in the world.
Maybe you should think of yourselves a bit more often, lift your spirits and all that.
I reckon even an Iranian would agree with me on that.
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well just like that idiot shipping that piece of shit car by air back where it came from for an oil change,, Now don't you think that them Camel humping ass bandits need someone with some brains to look over them??
They ain't even got enough sense to wipe their ass after they take a shit and walk around stinking worse than a hog pen, well quite similar tho.
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There are some awful governments in that part of the world- although in fairness, to what degree we like them or not does not seem to be correlated with how good or otherwise the government is. Don't forget that Iraq had the highest level of income, education, and womans rights in the Arab world, until after the First Gulf War. These days, Dubai is a standout in the ME- and it doesn't have oil, Turkey does OK for it's people also, likewise Libya (which has a lower infant mortality rate than the USA) and Tunisia.

They ain't all the same.
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well just like that idiot shipping that piece of shit car by air back where it came from for an oil change,, Now don't you think that them Camel humping ass bandits need someone with some brains to look over them??
They ain't even got enough sense to wipe their ass after they take a shit and walk around stinking worse than a hog pen, well quite similar tho.
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Turkey does OK for it's people also
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Care to comment on that or will you continue to share your vast knowledge of all things American with us?
Are you really so arrogant that you believe that you can't have an opinion on anything American unless you were born there?
Read carefully, grasshopper. I never said you can't have an opinion. In fact, quite the opposite. I requested you share your vast knowledge with us. Don't be so sensitive.

Now, about these eight people sentenced to be buried up their their chest and stoned to death by neighbors, friends and family for adultery or homosexuality. What part about that seems normal to anyone here? Please try to express your thoughts in simple concrete terms without jumping up and down and pointing to countries that execute hardened criminals -- only the most heinous murderers, following decades of thorough judicial process.

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What part about that seems normal to anyone here?
As I said previously not normal IMO but in Iran .

As you have said many times, "Live by the law of the land." "If you can't do the time don't do the crime."
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Now, about these eight people sentenced to be buried up their their chest and stoned to death by neighbors, friends and family for adultery or homosexuality.
Sentenced under sharia law, but the stoning is rarely carried out. The last person to be stoned by the state in Iran was a male, about one year ago. dunno his crime. Iran executes plenty, but by hanging.
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I agree Norton. With very few exceptions, you live by the rules of the country you're in. In Thailand we face different, silly laws. But if you don't like it, move.

These minxes and homos face the unfortunate consequences of being in Iran when they were caught. The penalty happens to be death by stoning. Sucks to be them.

Do you think it serves as a deterrent to would-be prostitutes and gays?
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Do you think it serves as a deterrent to would-be prostitutes and gays?
Not sure. Depends on the individual.

In the case of prostitution if the individual is in dire enough straights financially it may be a choice of stoning or starvation. Doubt the risk of stoning would be high enough to override starvation.

In the case of gays. Depends on the argument that homosexuality is a choice or a genetic thing. If a choice seems the prospect of being stoned would over ride the need to have ones stool pushed in. If genetic, I sure as hell would be staying deep in the closet.
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I changed it to gays to take the sting out for some of our swishy members.

I don't agree that capital punishment is a suitable sentence for these offences. But, if the majority of the country feel it is just ... C'est la vie.

What I find extremely distasteful is that a modern, thriving, nuclear power still resorts to this kind of barbarism. Chilling.
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