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blackgang

The places that have these public stonings have the death penalty in it's many forms for many different offences.
Where the death penalty is talked about and condemned by so many just happens to be the USA and it is only done in a painless a way as possible to people that have commited hineous major crimes such as first degree murder in its most brutal forms and is rarely even carried out in most states even tho the criminal is a mass murderer.
For the penaltys of stoning in such countrys that practise it, it is done for crimes that in most states of the USA there is not even a statute again doing it, Adultry,? maybe you can get a divorce from your spouse for getting caught at it, but that is all, and where rape is not taken as an offense again the raper but might stone the rapee, while in the USA if the crime is severe enough it can also bring capitol punishment.

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good2bhappy

I think Jet that the story is symbolic
At the time human sacrifice was practiced and often the first born was offered.
When God deceided not to take his son's life it was seen as a sign to end human sacrifice for the Jews

good2bhappy

regarding public stoning, and I for one am not supporting it, it used to be carried out by the community in which the "offenders" lived. Thereby being an act by the "offended" community

Panda

China has one of the worlds worst human rights abuse records and executes the greatest number of its own citizens annually.
Maybe we should invade those commie bastards and free the people?

Its not surprising some people focus on moral issues to further other agendas.

Capital punishment is murder no matter what country, what the charge or what the method.

AntRobertson

Exactly, state-sponsored murder's still murder however it's dressed up. Engaging in some sort of moral relativism or comparison over the way in which people are killed or for what crimes is an inherently flawed process that's both specious and largely redundant - for example the US is along with China and, off the top of my head, Iran the only nations that execute persons who committed crimes whilst still legally classified as "children". Does it matter more the way they are executed or that they are being executed in the first place?

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blackgang

NO SHIT, everything used to be carried out in the community that was offended, whether it be a bank robbery of a rape of a mans cow, used to be to damn far between communities and besides it was no one else business and they didn't give a fuck anyway, it was just a recreational thing for the community.

Texpat

Some posters here cite laws when they're suitable and discard them when they're not.

If a 17-year-old child murders 20 people with his bare hands -- he should be executed after all trials and appeals have run their course and after such time further investigation reveals no additional information.

If a woman kisses a western man she should not be buried up to her chest and stoned to death by people she knows.

Where is your morality?

AntRobertson

I'm assuming this is directed at me? I do? Care to give me some examples?

My "morality" is that I'm fundamentally opposed to the death-penalty. Whatever form it takes; I thought I'd made that pretty clear.

Texpat

This thread is about stoning eight people for minor sex crimes and homosexuality.

The site below contains 11 arguments for the death penalty and 11 arguments against.

Capital punishment in the United StatesAnti-death - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Anti death penalty

• National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty
• Death Penalty Information Center
• Texas Moratorium Network
• The Innocence Project
• Truth in Justice
• Amnesty International USA campaign to abolish the death penalty
• Campaign to end the Death Penalty
• Against the Death Penalty — Religious Organization
• Death Penalty Focus
• Fight the death penalty
• Anti-Death Penalty Information: includes a monthly watchlist of upcoming executions and death penalty statistics for the United States.

Pro death penalty

• Pro Death Penalty Information : Pro Death Penalty Information - Scheduled Executions
• Pro Death Penalty.com
• Pro Death Penalty Resource Page - Wesley Lowe
• Clark County, IN Prosecutor's Page on capital punishment.
• In Favor of Capital Punishment - Quotes supporting Capital Punishment by Saqib Ali
• No Racial Bias Found - CNN Law Center archives
• The Ultimate Punishment - A professor defends the death penalty
• Is man a moral agent? - Ethics of capital punishment
• A defense of the death penalty
• Death Penalty Information - News, arguments and links
• Criminal Justice Legal Foundation Articles on the death penalty, and deterrence

I am in favor of capital punishment but only for the most serious crimes (murder).

AntRobertson

^I'm still not clear on how that relates to my apparently using laws as a convenience? Honestly I'm not even sure what laws you're referring to.

Norton

Agree. It is. Personally, I believe it is OTT. I also believe the death penalty for possession of an "illegal drug" is OTT.

Seems to me the definition of a "major" or "heinous" crime varies greatly from one nation to the other. The death penality is therefore applied as per local interpretation of "major" or "heinous" crime.

My vote is for no death penalty at all for whatever reason regardless of method.

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DrivingForce

Prostitution is difficult to single out a particular "John". But in these 2 cases there is generally only one other actor who is close to the convicted and in the case of women it is highly unlikely that "incest" was a voluntary action if others here are convicted of adultery where are the other men?

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DrivingForce

I think sexual battery on children could be thrown into that category as well..Especially violent and heinous battery, I.E. that cold hearted bastard that chopped off that little girls arms in Calif. left her for dead and laughed at her father in court..

Panda

Trying to justify the death penalty based on the method of execution and/or the countries legal system preceding it is just a way of making those supporting the practice feel morally correct.

Texpat

Read a few of the links from both columns (post #49)

I realize there are compelling arguments on both sides. But I personally think some crimes are so heinous as to justify killing the offender. Likewise, I'm in favor of enforcing laws and throwing bad guys in jail. Even that appears too extreme for some. (there's a chance an innocent might be erroneously charged )

Bullshit. It's part of the price of doing business.

sabang

From the Irish Times-

"The last officially reported stoning in the Islamic Republic was carried out on a man a year ago which drew criticism from rights groups, the European Union and a top UN official. Iran's judiciary chief Ayatollah Mohmoud Hashemi-Shahroudi ordered a moratorium on stoning in 2002."

"We are trying to have such punishments removed and replaced by different ones so that it would be compatible with the dignity of humanity," lawyer Mohammad Mostafaie said.

And Irans response to some of the foreign stonethrowers -

"Iran responds to western criticism of its rights record by pointing to what it says are abuses in the West, such as detainees held by the United States in Guantanamo Bay."

Nine sentenced to death by stoning - The Irish Times - Mon, Jul 21, 2008

I doubt, and hope, they will actually not be executed by stoning. It seems to me this is more activism to entirely abolish stoning, and the possibility of legally sanctioned stoning, from Iranian law.

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AntRobertson

It would be nice if you could deal with some of the points/issues actually raised rather than inventing simply your own.

Slipstream

Its pretty harsh in Iran, but compared with the lax laws in Europe they have a point on being hard-line eh?

DrivingForce

With that type of response your popularity quotient is going to go up exponentially on here, so while my rep isn't worth much I'll still start you you off with a greenie..