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Texpat

Why is it that only one has retained the fine art of stoning people to death then?

A greater appreciation of their religious history, perhaps?

AntRobertson

^They're both equally fucked. 'Thou shall not kill' being variously interpreted to mean abortion=bad, execution=good. In some cases by the same people.

Gallowspole

I've never heard of people getting stoned to death with snowballs.

blackgang

Pobly gonna do it in the cold as it will help slow down bleeding and make it last that much longer,, no need to rush a fun thing.

Butterfly

you mean like the blacks ? could you be anymore stupid ? your mum really fucked you up !!! you should kill her

Texpat

Why apply Christian principles? I'm looking at stoning from a humanist perspective.
It's more than a bit barbaric.

I'm not suggesting I'm anti death penalty. I'm not. Some people deserve to die.

But public stoning is just over the top in 2008. Couple that with the alleged offenses of homosexuality or mild sex cases, and it's even more outrageous. Add to the mix the local neighborhood being invited out to execute the task -- it's just medieval.

AntRobertson

I didn't mean to suggest that, bad example. I was referring more to Norton's point and that both Islam and Christianity contain elements that justify execution based on Judea "old testament" scripture.

I certainly don't disagree that it's a particularly barbaric form of execution; however on principle I'm opposed to State-sponsored execution in whatever form that it may take on moral grounds. Frankly whether an execution's considered 'humane' or not - and there's even considerable debate on that - is secondary to the issue of someone being killed to me.

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Butterfly

^ good point,

how many texans have been seen cheering outside prisons at the stroke of midnight when an execution was due ? quite a few

Ragheads and Americans, same joy over death, stoning is just more colorful and probably less barbaric at the end than the sterile and anonymous approach of the US Justice system

machangezi

I wish you had some brains .... I know it's only a wish. As I see it, the guy is being hanged not stoned, twit.

Texpat

^^ The US executes prisoners that have had their day in court, have had the ability to appeal and be heard by various courts at different levels. Only the most heinous crimes warrant execution (not dating westerners or homosexuality). After many years, decades usually, of combing over the evidence and introducing new forensic procedures and introducing any new witnesses or evidence, do they execute the criminal (1,100 total since 1976) in privacy with a few hand-selected, witnesses with cause to be present. The criminal that has been deemed guilty by several layers of justice have years and multiple opportunities for appeal.

Your comparison is piss weak.

Butterfly

Only if they have the money to defend themselves properly, else they are fucked like the ragheads, and the mobs become the jury and judge,

no, it's not. You have not lived in the US as an adult long enough to know exactly what's going on over there. I suggest you take a trip there for a few years and come back and do the comparison.

Texpat

Counsel is free to those who cannot afford to pay for their own. Check out the Miranda Rights. Your emotions often seem to get the best of you, Butterfly.

I'm well aware of what's happening in my country.

Butterfly

Free Counsel is shit, and you know it, and it's the reason why the majority of innocents (often poor blacks) are in jail or in death row.

not really, you still think you got attacked by Iraqis on 911, and that your prez was chosen by God

Texpat

No, that would be guns and drugs and poor role models.

Easy there Sputter, you'll hurt yourself. Capital punishment was around long before the current US president and will, in all likelihood, outlast the next. The US prez isn't chosen by God, but the next best solution -- the American people.

But this thread is about stoning people buried up to their chests, slowly, so they die a horrific, painful and bloody public death. Care to comment on that or will you continue to share your vast knowledge of all things American with us?

Butterfly

Yes I believe it's barbaric, I think that was answered previously above

just adding that it's not different from what other "civilized" countries are doing, one being the all mighty USA

Texpat

Yes, I believed that too was answered previously above -- post #30.

Butterfly

hardly

blackgang

No the USA does not do it that way, it has to be completely painless and has had the lethal injection stopped a few times and examined because the needles hurt or the chemicals are to slow, which is shit because the needles are the same used in medical procedures as are the chemicals used.
Where you are comparing this to stoning where the size of the stones can not be so large as to cause death to soon.

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Norton

Humane, painless vs barbaric, painful execution arguments are interesting but the end result is the same. The "criminal" is dead. Always find it interesting proponents of the death penalty argue it is a deterrent but label public stoning as barbaric.

I can assure you, observing a public stoning would have a much greater deterrent effect on me than hearing on the news someone was humanely killed behind closed doors using painless methods.

I say public executions are the best way to go. Let the whole family have a good supply of stones so they can wing a few at the object of their pain and loss.

After all, it's all about revenge and deterring others from committing the same crime!

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