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sabang

^ Lets just say it would be an interesting thread.
Heck, you'd need Balls of Iron. Anyway, peoples opinions run the full gamut in Issues- pitch in with yours too.

blackgang

Right, where is it, and why is he fucking with them anyway.

There this gentleman has said exactly what I would have said and saves me the time typing it.
I was working there just a few years before they took the embassy.

blackgang

Yes it is reverent, It was the high lite of his wasted years in charge of the country and he is still a fuck up and a no nothing asshole cracker, who had a worthless brother that sold white house favors to enemy's of the country, same as happen in Clinton's term.

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raycarey

priceless.

Sir Burr

If Desert One hadn't crashed in the desert and had actually suceeded in it's mission (highly unlikely), Carter would be considered a hero today.

As for high unemployment and runaway inflation during his term, name a western country that didn't have the same.

As for thinking that backing the Shah would have stopped the Islamic revolution, then, I have a certain bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you......

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machangezi

IMO, he's still doing a lot better than Tony B-liar. He's making an effort, although unilateral effort, to connect the two sides in an amicable talks. Ain't he doing what we want? And he doing what Bush, the child killer ape, and Tony the clown failed to do?

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Boon Mee

Yeah! Right on!

It could have been much worse like none of the choppers made it back to base, eh???

raycarey

and this is carter's fault how? specifically.

and before you run off to a blog to get your answer, remember that of course bush would be held to the same standard-- and the blood of those four thousand dead soldiers will be on his hands. heh.

but let's get back on topic....carter meeting with hamas.

why shouldn't he? or a better question why isn't the bush administration.....after 7 years of acting like an 11 year old girl, isn't it time to try something else....like actually talking to the people you disagree with to see if you can find a solution....similar to what the reagan administration did with the soviets in the 80s.

cue boon mee disappearing from the thread before his head explodes.

Boon Mee

For the hundredth fuckin' time, we won't 'negotiate' with these assholes so long as they advocate wiping Israel off the map. When & if they give up their unrealistic goal of eliminateing Israel, we will, most likely sit down with them.

When you have a plane-load of hostages - does any "sensible" government 'negotiate'?

I don't think so...

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stroller

Most do, actually.

raycarey

temper, temper.

if it's 'unrealistic', wouldn't the bush administration have the upper hand in any negotiations?

so not only are you advocating pre-existing conditions to a negotiation, you won't even commit to the negotiation if the other side meets those conditions. wtf?

you've been watching those '24' DVDs again, eh.

britmaveric

Only value Carter would have would be delivering a bomb to Hamas and detonating it!!

Milkman

I agree that Carter is a good man but a weak President.

As for Clinton's term, remember that Clinton played a role in the Oslo Peace Accords which caused some of the Hamas rejection. Many think Arafat sold out to Israel in this deal. Hence, Hamas. Hence, the suicide bombings.

Carter believes in dialogue, and not just refusing to talk with people.

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Sir Burr

Dunno if it's true, but I heard that Israel had a hand in creating Hamas in the early days, so that Palestinian resistance would be split and the PLO discredited.

Milkman

This is just talk, and we've heard this before, and we know the pre-1967 borders have always been an issue. My point: why was the US government and Jewish Zionists and Xtians Zionists so against Carter talking with Hamas?

One reason IMO, is that many right-wing Zionists want to keep the land. Remember Amir, a 20 year old who shot and killed Yitschak Rabin.
Link: Carter: Hamas is willing to accept Israel as its neighbor - Yahoo! News

stroller

Can't you employ someone else to implement your terrorist plots?
Oliver North might be a willing accomplice to consider...

Btw, I am surprised about the outright anti-Americanism expressed here targeted at a former president, including death wishes.

raycarey

what's ironic, is that they imagine carter as some sort of liberal and they hate him for it...when he was actually a centrist. he turned his back on the mcgovernites and sought out the middle road....which doomed him politically.

britmaveric

Stroll - never advocated he had to stay around when he detonates it.

sabang