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raycarey

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/17/wo...hp&oref=slogin

it's about time.

Hootad Binky

Good!

Boon Mee

Who's to say they wern't fired on first?

Hootad Binky

^ True, but responding with eight deaths may have seemed a little harsh! It wouldn't be the first time mercenaries have killed civilians in Iraq.

attaboy

National Public Radio reported an explosion went off and the convoy came under small arms fire from several locations.

TIME magazine online reports: Some eyewitnesses said the fighting began after an explosion detonated near the U.S. convoy, but the incident report does not reflect that.

sabang

Hallelujah, maybe there is a God.

blackgang

Let me see, OK, Yes 8 civies were killed, who says they were not part of the problem, how do you determine what civilian was an innocent bystander and which ones were armed and dangerous?

Really hard to tell when everyone has a gun, packs it everywhere he goes and everyone dressed the same.

Not saying that they most likely do not fukup at times, but why the big stink when there was not also a report of how many were killed in bombings and by members of the Iraq military and by other militia armed by the Iraq govt. during the same time frame.

Look how many Iraq civies were killed by other "Arabs", for a better word, I know that there were also Persians and others involved, But how many Iraqi have been killed by all American or coalition fire and how many have been killed in bombings and other "Arab" attacks.
so the count is fairly minuscule isn't it.

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sabang

^ There is a very simple issue with mercenaries in Iraq BG.

They can murder at whim, but under the terms of the Occupation can not be held accountable for it within Iraq. They can not even be charged, or tried. A soldier can be held accountable, however.

Do you think this is fair, and just?

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raycarey

more about blackwater employees murdering without fear of prosecution...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/wo...nted=2&_r=1&hp

Milkman

This is one of the ugliest and least reported issues about this Iraq charade.

stroller

You come up with the conclusion "miniscule" without providing any figures or comparisons.

Besides, it's that logic comparing one's own misdeeds with others' again and insisting one looks 'good' by comparison.

DrB0b

At the bottom of the BBC article on this episode I saw this;




There is nothing in this to say how many were killed by coalition forces or by insurgents but how many of those people would still be alive if the US hadn't invaded Iraq?

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blackgang

No not at all, but just makes me wonder at the govt there when they arm all the private militias and private armys of the war lords and they kill by the thousands and never a word is said, but when either a merc or an army soldier kills 1 or a few they raise such a stink and everyone of the PC liberals on most boards fall right in behind them, thats all.

When was the last time that you heard a stink raised about a pile of 20 or 50 beheaded bodys found on some morning was brought to the fore and a bunch of hell raised about it,
And it seems to me that most folks think that mass or serial killing in great numbers is much worse than a dude killing another guy.
So why the difference on this issue now?

I think that the indiscriminate suicide bombings of a crowd at a market and killing men, women and children with the main reason being that many will be killed as the only thought is much worse.

You know your self that in any conflict, there will be collateral damage, but the bombings and beheadings are no way the same thing, and for all I know, what just happened was collateral.

I am not making excuses for anyone, I would just like to know what is so different about it..

Maybe the reason that the phoneys on here like Bob and sTroller and a bunch of others have a victum in site and want to stone them to death, has nothing to do with the killings but see a "said" Perp and want to lynch him.

DrB0b

^Blackgang. I don't know where you got "Maybe the reason that the phoneys on here like Bob and sTroller and a bunch of others have a victum in site and want to stone them to death" from. I don't like you and you don't like me but there's no reason for you to make up barefaced lies about my attitudes or beliefs. I have never attempted to justify beheadings. murders, or massacre by anybody, the whole thing sickens me. Attack me for whatever real reasons there may be be to attack me but don't just make things up.

blackgang

Not making anything up, whenever there is anything negative posted by RC you are one of the first to fall in line and start to raise hell about what a bunch of bastards the Americans are, but I have never seen a thread about the mass killings in any ME country or by any ME force started by you or the other rabble rousers.
Boy them Joos or them Americans are a bunch of shit heels for killing them 3 Palestines in that attack, When some were killed in Lebanon, when infact the Israeli were answering a rocket or some other attack by Hezbollah or Hamas, or Americans were defending themselves again an attcak, but nothing is said about Iraqi, Hamas or Fatah Al Islam killing others of their own people.

I just can't see where it is all so different because it was any certain people killing others.
I do not think and never have saw any reason for the US to be in Iraq since Desert storm when Saddam went into Kewait and got his ass run out,

DrB0b

That's all untrue. But what the hell, you just see what you want to see, nothing I can do about that.

Boon Mee

Getting back to Blackwater and the other security firms working in Iraq - ray seems to have a giant hard-on for anyone working in Iraq - like they are all, in his words - 'war profiteering scum' which is utter nonsense. In rays twisted 'logic' I suppose Red Adair and Boots & Coots who put out Saddam's oilfield fires following Desert Storm are 'scum' too eh? W/out security firms in operating in Iraq, no VIP could move about or any construction material delivered - oil pipelines protected...

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blackgang

My power went off just as I was about to finish my reply to Bob baby, so I shut down on UPS, a tree went thru the power lines and they just now got it back up.

The US is not the only country that went to war with Saddam, and the Brits and Tony Blair were really ready, France and Germany were along with Russia as again it, they had to good a customer in their war materials sales and to much skim off roe the oil for food shit along with Kafi Anan and his son that skimmed millions from it.
Here are some other nations that you can rag on for awhile and maybe make some sense from what you post.

Contributions from Coalition member nations range from: direct military participation, logistical and intelligence support, specialized chemical/biological response teams, over-flight rights, humanitarian and reconstruction aid, to political support.
Forty-nine countries are publicly committed to the Coalition, including:
Afghanistan
Albania
Angola
Australia
Azerbaijan
Bulgaria
Colombia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Japan
Kuwait
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Marshall Islands
Micronesia
Mongolia
Netherlands
Nicaragua
Palau
Panama
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Rwanda
Singapore
Slovakia
Solomon Islands
South Korea
Spain
Tonga
Turkey
Uganda
Ukraine
United Kingdom
United States
Uzbekistan
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/ir...030327-10.html

I have a hard time with people that are supposed to be civilized and are such bigots toward the US that they can not seem to tell the truth.
Anally retentive bastards that are so proud of their extreme PCnes that they have to rag on someone and they think that since the US is the stud duck of the pond and supporting most others and footing the bills that they are the BAD bastard country.
Look at AUST. John Howard, he says if the US does cut back on troops that he will still maintain present troop strength in Iraq, why not rag on him awhile, the USA ain't in this alone.
some folks are so narrow minded that they can look thru a keyhole with both eyes and can not see past the end of their nose.

I don't like whats going on either, but give it a break, there are more folks in this than the USA and GW Bush, and by sounding off at just one person or country is stupid.
The mercs are just doing their jobs, that vid clip that we saw on here and discussed and came to the conclusion that they were Mercs and most likely were escorts and were protecting a convoy or other vehicles at the time the vid was shot, now they show on the media news where one car was shot at and it does look bad, but they do not show the whole thing, so come to your senses.
That kind of work is tough and sometimes you make a mistake, but who knows what really happen in this one instance, all you know is what the media tells you and if you believe even 1/2 of that then you are silly, I have been in that position myself and you do the same thing that the military does, when shot at, you return fire, but do make more money a month than a GI.

DrB0b