Thread: blackwater (war profiteering scum) expelled from iraq

Charges being filed do not mean much, just that they are trying, And that has nothing to do with Blackwater supposedly killing a bunch of folks and getting kicked out of Iraq. As is the OP of this thread.
There is corruption in a lot of things, just look at what Toxin has been accused of and nothing is or has been proven or him being convicted.

Kind of like Thai gossip, nothing solid, just some accusations. Can't run a world on that.
so why make a big deal out of gossip, why not wait for some solid convictions and then smear them?
Sounds just like the DUKE LaCross team rape accusations. That DA with the solid charges is going to prison for that fiasco. Maybe should take RC with him.

Originally Posted by sabang

^ There is a very simple issue with mercenaries in Iraq BG.

They can murder at whim, but under the terms of the Occupation can not be held accountable for it within Iraq. They can not even be charged, or tried. A soldier can be held accountable, however.

Do you think this is fair, and just?

Soldiers are made to account for murders etc in Iraq but America tries them at home and not in the country where the crime was carried out. This is wrong. The crime was carried out in Iraq and therefore should be tried in that country.

^ Disagree, a soldier is an employee of the US govt. and the employer is responsible for the actions of the employee in the performance of his dutys and is a represenitive of said employer.

So the US Gov should maybe tried in Iraq, but the employee should be tried in the country of the employer if anything.

Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun

It only appears the US has this policy.

Yeah, and it entirely disregards the law of the land they operate in. Anywhere else everyone gets tried according to the law of the place they committed a crime, the US seem to think they are above all that.
They also reject international legislation.

blackgang says he has me on ignore but if by chance he's reading this post (simply by chance of course) it seems you were right about this BG....

Originally Posted by blackgang

There is corruption in a lot of things,

it's all starting to spill out.....

Defense Ministry spokesman Mohammed al Askari told McClatchy Newspapers that one of the incidents was former Iraqi Electricity Minister Ahyam al Samarrai's escape from a Green Zone jail in December. Samarrai had been awaiting sentencing on charges that he had embezzled $2.5 billion that was intended to rebuild Iraq's decrepit electricity grid.

>>>snip<<<

Until now, Iraqi officials hadn't named the private security company that they believe helped Samarrai, the only Iraqi cabinet official convicted of corruption, to escape from a jail that was overseen jointly by U.S. and Iraqi guards.

McClatchy Washington Bureau | 09/19/2007 | Maliki blasts Blackwater firm for other incidents

gee i wonder what happened to him and that $2.5 billion?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

ho's to say they wern't fired on first?

Originally Posted by blackgang

Do you have proof that the mercs actually shot some folks or not?

Originally Posted by blackgang

Did you see it, this your thread and you are calling them profiteering scum, now back it or shut up.

Originally Posted by blackgang

no proof of wrong doing,

Originally Posted by blackgang

Never have any proof of wrong doing, just supposed and use that to slander others

Originally Posted by blackgang

Kind of like Thai gossip, nothing solid, just some accusations.

ok.

Iraqi investigators have a videotape that shows Blackwater USA guards opened fire against civilians without provocation in an incident last week in which 11 people died, a senior Iraqi official said Saturday.

the conclusion was based on witness statements as well as videotape shot by cameras at the nearby headquarters of the national police command.

Iraqis: Video shows Blackwater fired 1st - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

As my grannie used to say: "Tempest in a teapot"
Heard Blackwater is staying in Iraq - can't live w/out 'em it appears?

tempest in a teapot, eh?

you fall all over yourself about the alleged iranian arms being smuggled into iraq, but US taxpayer funded mercenaries doing it is a tempest in a teapot.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Heard Blackwater is staying in Iraq - can't live w/out 'em it appears?

as i posted earlier, it's not surprising at all if they stay in iraq......millions of dollars in bribes can go a long way.
US tax dollars at work.

two points, however.

1. so much for iraq being sovereign, huh?
2. why does the US military need blackwater if they aren't having any recruiting problems?

btw boonie, still waiting for your response on the ayn rand thread.

Where's the video? Who has seen it? I think it's safe to say the Iraqis are lying. They said the women and children in Haditha were herded and shot execution style. The deliberate US military hearings have shown otherwise. We should assume they are lying and the media is their stooge. That's the trend so the assumption is a safe one.

^
Yep...same old shit - Bush lied, folks died. Throw enough BS on the wall and eventually some will stick is 'their' motto. Left-wing loons/appeasing commie bastards will be the end of us yet...

Seems them commies are firmly implanted into the recesses of your mind, Booner, I haven't noticed any posting here.

Amazing what a powerful grip a projected strawman can have on the impressionable.

here's a link to an article that perfectly illustrates how the concept of iraq being a sovereign nation is simply fantasy.

The topic of Blackwater's impunity was discussed during high-level meetings involving American and Iraqi officials, including Kamal, national security adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie and senior officials from the U.S. military and the U.S. Embassy, according to sources familiar with the discussions.
Tensions escalated over a series of incidents beginning last Dec. 24, when a Blackwater employee allegedly shot and killed a bodyguard for Iraqi Vice President Adel Abdul Mahdi inside Baghdad's Green Zone. It remains unclear how the Blackwater employee was able to leave Iraq after the incident, which triggered a Justice Department investigation. No charges have been filed.
On May 24, a Blackwater team shot and killed an Iraqi driver outside the Interior Ministry gate. The incident triggered an armed standoff between Interior Ministry commandos and the Blackwater guards, who later told U.S. Embassy officials that the driver had veered too close to their convoy. Blackwater refused to give the guards' names or details of the incident to the Iraqis. The State Department said it planned to conduct an investigation, but no results have been announced.

washingtonpost.com

Originally Posted by raycarey

The incident triggered an armed standoff between Interior Ministry commandos and the Blackwater guards, who later told U.S. Embassy officials that the driver had veered too close to their convoy.

great, diplomatic security fighting each other inside the green zone, how long can that wall stand ? it's rotting from inside out

Originally Posted by stroller

Seems them commies are firmly implanted into the recesses of your mind, Booner, I haven't noticed any posting here.

Amazing what a powerful grip a projected strawman can have on the impressionable.

'Commie' is simply a catch-all term Headmaster...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

'Commie' is simply a catch-all term

sloth has reached new depths.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

'Commie' is simply a catch-all term

sloth has reached new depths.

The term 'commie' instantly projects to the brain a loathsome creature whether it's a pic of a sloth....?

Well, you posted a pic of a "commie" recently, looked like any other human to me.
Do you even know what a "communist" is?

here is some late news..

Iraq sees security vacuum without Blackwater | U.S. | Reuters

Originally Posted by stroller

Well, you posted a pic of a "commie" recently, looked like any other human to me.
Do you even know what a "communist" is?

Fidel Castro?

^, Well sure it looked like a human to you, Did to everyone, But then so does Rapists, Murdreres, Child Molesters, And most perverts.
It is not the outside that makes them do things, it is what is rotten on the inside and makes them crave attention and Kudos from others, Just like all gossips and other character slanderers, same thing only do different things to get their kicks,, I get mine on Route 66.

^^^how absurd is the fiasco in iraq that there is a 'security vacuum' if a private security firm isn't present?

in the link below, al-maliki expresses his concern about iraq's sovereignty.....

The shooting deaths of civilians at Nisoor Square in Baghdad on Sept. 16 — allegedly at the hands of Blackwater USA security contractors — are among several "serious challenges to the sovereignty of Iraq" by the company, he said. In Arabic, he used the word "tajawiz" which also can be translated as "affront," "violation" or an intentional challenge.
He also complained about the U.S. detention of an Iranian Thursday in northern Iraq who was accused by the military of smuggling weapons to Shiite militias for use against American troops.
Al-Maliki condemned the detention and said it was his understanding that the man had been invited to Iraq by the Sulaimaniyah governorate.
"The government of Iraq is an elected one and sovereign. When it gives a visa, it is responsible for the visa," he said. "We consider the arrest ... of this individual who holds an Iraqi visa and a (valid) passport to be unacceptable."

Iraqi PM fears for nation's sovereignty - Yahoo! News

The Blackwater video.

"Since everyone is second-guessing the U.S. guys anyway, ask yourself this: If you knew the results of IEDs, you’d just seen this explosion, and that car came at you despite the warning signs, sound bombs, etc. … What would you do?"