Thread: blackwater (war profiteering scum) expelled from iraq

as you and stroll have said, read the header,,stick to the subject.
Do you have proof that the mercs actually shot some folks or not?

The people that were there never said that they did or saw them do it.
Bombs going off and all that, some shooting so who really killed them headbangers,, Did you see it, this your thread and you are calling them profiteering scum, now back it or shut up.

Originally Posted by blackgang

read the header,,stick to the subject. Do you have proof that the mercs actually shot some folks or not?

Originally Posted by blackgang

this your thread and you are calling them profiteering scum, now back it or shut up.

by header, i'm assuming that you're referring to the thread title....blackwater (war profiteering scum) expelled from iraq).

the article in the OP says the iraqi ministry of interior (and according to the white house, iraq is a soveirgn nation) said, "canceled the company’s license and barred its activity across Iraq".

and btw, i'm not sure of what your point is regarding the thread title and this particular incident...they were war profiteering scum the instant they decided to line their pockets off the misery of the iraqis citizens living under the invasion and bungled american occupation. however, take a look at post #9 for the drunk (i'm sure you can relate) blackwater employee who murdered an iraqi and then got on a plane and went home.

Soldiers are usually protected from charges of people getting killed and still are in collateral loss, that appears to be what happen here and Mercs hired by the govt have always been protected in the same way.

As to them lining their pockets, they were hired to do a job and paid wages for doing that job, there is no "Lining of pockets" off the misery of the Iraqi, they are doing the job they were hired to do.
The hiring of mercs for security work has been done for many years in case that you didn't know it, but a lot of uninformed people think it is something new, it isn't.
The troopers that were tried in the murder/rape trial is something new and usually does not happen, very rare circumstance.
Now if you want to cry about the poor unfortunate Iraqi, Or muslims in general, why not switch to how many thousand have been killed by their own people in bombings and plain outright murder/beheadings.

And they might have canceled the permit to work for Blackwater, but that does not prove that it did anything wrong, so where is the proof that they did in fact fuckup? there is no big deal about a contract or permit being canceled.
You just RANT with no proof of wrong doing, are you jealous because you have to teach for 15k baht a month when that is less than a mercs pay for one day?

Originally Posted by blackgang

As to them lining their pockets, they were hired to do a job and paid wages for doing that job, there is no "Lining of pockets" off the misery of the Iraqi, they are doing the job they were hired to do.

one in the same.

Originally Posted by blackgang

The hiring of mercs for security work has been done for many years in case that you didn't know it, but a lot of uninformed people think it is something new, it isn't.

it was deplorable then, and it's deplorable now

Originally Posted by blackgang

beheadings.

the group known as AQ in iraq are the ones doing the beheading....and they weren't in iraq before the US invaded.

Originally Posted by blackgang

And they might have canceled the permit to work for Blackwater, but that does not prove that it did anything wrong, so where is the proof that they did in fact fuckup? there is no big deal about a contract or permit being canceled.

for the THIRD time....is iraq a sovereign or not?

Originally Posted by blackgang

You just RANT with no proof of wrong doing

quoting the iraq interior ministry is a rant? i can't take the iraqi govt. at its word?

Originally Posted by blackgang

are you jealous because you have to teach for 15k baht a month when that is less than a mercs pay for one day?

even if i were making 15k/year, it would be more honorable than what these war profiteering scum are doing in iraq.

If Blackwater did nothing wrong why did Condoleeza Rice apologize to the Iraqi government for their (Blackwater's) actions and say "the United States will take immediate actions to prevent such actions from happening again."?

So answer the question ray - Red Adair & Boots & Coots...were/are they so-called 'war profiteer scum' too?

Originally Posted by raycarey

for the THIRD time....is iraq a sovereign or not?

Makes no diff if they are sovereign or not,, do you have witness proof that BLACKWATER shot those guys??

Quote: Originally Posted by blackgang You just RANT with no proof of wrong doing quoting the iraq interior ministry is a rant? i can't take the iraqi govt. at its word?

Damn fool if you do, that guy wasn't there and never saw it either, he is taking someone word, and the words I hear is no one saw them shoot anyone.

the group known as AQ in iraq are the ones doing the beheading....and they weren't in iraq before the US invaded.

And I suppose that you have proof of that too, seems some do not agree, but it is sectarian.

Quote: Originally Posted by blackgang are you jealous because you have to teach for 15k baht a month when that is less than a mercs pay for one day?

even if i were making 15k/year, it would be more honorable than what these war profiteering scum are doing in iraq.

Yes if you were making $15K a year it would be honorable, but the 15K baht a month ain't.. 555

after the murder of the iraqis, US civilians are now not allowed outside of the 'green zone'. hell of a way to run an occupation.

the US govt will probably throw around a few million dollars at the interior ministry in an attempt to make this problem go away, but even money says that the 'insurgents' will be keeping an eye out for the war profiteers. i wonder if they'll get the same view from the bridge as the blackwater profiteers in faluja did?

You are to thick to even sound a little bit intelligent,,

really to sound intelligent at all.

BAGHDAD, Sept. 18 — A preliminary Iraqi report on a shooting involving an American diplomatic motorcade said Tuesday that Blackwater security guards were not ambushed, as the company reported, but instead fired at a car when it did not heed a policeman’s call to stop, killing a couple and their infant.

“There was not shooting against the convoy,” said Ali al-Dabbagh, the Iraqi government’s spokesman. “There was no fire from anyone in the square.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/wo...b3yZpNuHdh8hxw

Originally Posted by raycarey

it is my understanding that adair's company put out fires in kuwait after iraqi troops had left. is this incorrect?

btw, still waiting for your reply on the ayn rand thread.

That is correct - Red Adair and the other outfit Boots & Coots snuffed out the hundreds of oil well fires Saddam lit off on his retreat out of Kuwait. So, to your point of view, are these boys 'war profiteer scum' too?

If the question in the Ayn Rand thread was re. death tax...no opinion at this time.

" But among the rank and file of security contractors, Blackwater guards are regularly ridiculed as cowboys who are relentlessly and pointlessly aggressive, carry excessive weaponry and do not appear to have top-of-the-line training."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/wo...b3yZpNuHdh8hxw

Same article as Ray quoted above. I had a drink with an ex-Blackwater mercenary in Pattaya recently, now working for someone else in Iraq. He said the same thing.

and the whole issue begs the question....why does the US military need blackwater in iraq? boonie keeps citing the military which claims recruiting goals are being met....yet the state department needs to contract out their security in iraq?

Meanwhile, Sadr has left the Shia portion of the "coalition" government...

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No great loss there. "Exploiting that anger, anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr demanded the government ban all 48,000 foreign security contractors, whom Iraqis have long viewed as mercenaries, the Associated Press reported."

The whole system of security forces and their licenses is corrupt beyond belief. Anyhow, this latest incident "which left eight Iraqi civilians dead by most accounts, occurred Sunday when Blackwater was escorting a convoy through one of Baghdad’s Sunni neighborhoods.

According to the North Carolina-based company, the convoy was attacked by armed insurgents using small-arms fire. The U.S. contractors returned fire to get their clients out of the area safely.

“By doctrine, you return fire — that’s how you stay alive,” said the Blackwater contractor, who spoke on the condition that he not be identified. “They killed who they needed to kill to get out of there. The teams that try to be all nicey-nicey, guess what? Their guys get kidnapped,” he said.

Several expatriate security contractors who did not open fire have been taken hostage while protecting their clients in western Iraq near Ramadi and in Baghdad.


Iraq has turned into a kill or be killed place - no whimps allowed...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

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Iraq has turned into a kill or be killed place - no whimps allowed...

So Chevron keeps you well clear of the place then ?

I know some BW lads. And that pretty much sums its up, get attacked you shoot your way out. Least we forget the lads who were burned, dragged, and then hung from an overpass were BW security.

I suppose, to the various factions of the Iraqi resistance, mercenaries are targets just like soldiers. I certainly don't question their right to defend themselves, or return fire if fired upon. Why they are there in the first place is a question for another thread.

But the messages coming from Iraq are suggesting that the BW crowd are more trigger happy, violent, and less well trained and professional than other mercenary operations.

The NY Times article even mentions they had their own helicopter gunships firing down on unarmed civilians, and the mortar fire they used as an excuse was kilometre's away. They also quote a figure of around 20 dead, so some widely conflicting reports at the moment.

Blackwater USA - About Us

Dunno about current standards, but most are former military and founded by an ex-navy seal.

more info on the war profiteers blackgang is falling all over himself to defend...

WASHINGTON - Federal prosecutors are investigating whether employees of the private security firm Blackwater USA illegally smuggled into Iraq weapons that may have been sold on the black market and ended up in the hands of a U.S.-designated terrorist organization, officials said Friday.
The U.S. Attorney's Office in Raleigh, N.C., is handling the investigation with help from Pentagon and State Department auditors, who have concluded there is enough evidence to file charges, the officials told The Associated Press. Blackwater is based in Moyock, N.C.

In Saturday's editions, The News & Observer of Raleigh reported that two former Blackwater employees — Kenneth Wayne Cashwell of Virginia Beach, Va., and William Ellsworth "Max" Grumiaux of Clemmons, N.C. — are cooperating with federal investigators.
Cashwell and Grumiaux pleaded guilty in early 2007 to possession of stolen firearms that had been shipped in interstate or foreign commerce, and aided and abetted another in doing so, according to court papers viewed by The Associated Press. In their plea agreements, which call for a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine, the men agreed to testify in any future proceedings.

Feds probe Blackwater weapons smuggling - Yahoo! News

btw, did anyone else hear the story about how blackwater guards helped the guy who embezzled $2.5 billion from the US/iraq escape from prison in iraq? i read it in print, but i'll try to find a link later.

The face of BW, a bad Gi-Joe




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